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Salute you

Hi Brion

So, Since today I'm flying from Singapore towards France, I'll have three dinners. À ta santé ! ♦ Pabix 03:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Esperanto

I checked this page to see whether it reflected this user's recent change in name (and presumably gender), and I'm happy it was. But what happened to the obligation to greet one another in Esperanto on Brion/Brooke Vibber Day? Steinbach (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

As an Esperanto speaker, I am indeed sorry to see the mentions of Esperanto by Jimmy Wales go away, because Esperanto played a major role in Brion's early involvement with Wikimedia - particularly the introduction of Unicode into MediaWiki several years before Unicode got mainstream, motivated by the language's phonetic spelling and the corresponding use of diacritical characters. Read here an account by the founder of Esperanto Misplaced Pages. I oppose that the passages of Jimmy Wales' declaraion of Brion Vibber Day hinting at Brion's involment in and passion for Esperanto had to go away recently, apparently just because of someone's feeling uneasy about the eponym's birth name having been used in the relevant sentences. Blahma (talk) 19:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose unsubstantiated renaming

I know this is not an article in the main namespace, but Brion Vibber Day has become a part of Wikimedia history and this page is a documentation thereof. And as some recent edits suggest, the holiday has been established as Brion Vibber Day for 20 years and there is a substantial historical track of it having been celebrated under that name, both its English and Esperanto equivalent (see e.g. Google, Twitter). I oppose changing its name just because its eponym apparently recently changed name. There is currently not a single Google hit for the name this page has been moved to. Some people may well decide to start celebrating it under a different name as of today, but I don't think a change should be imposed beforehand here on Misplaced Pages in an attempt to pretend that this is already the established name or, even worse, that there has never been a different name for the holiday before. Blahma (talk) 19:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Blahma, you're very much deadnaming Brooke by trying to push the former name. I suggest you retract your statement. LilianaUwU 20:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
As a trans woman, I'm obviously not the most impartial and I really try to avoid GENSEX disputes, so sorry in advance, but I absolutely think we should respect Brooke's wishes and avoid her deadnane as much as possible. Of course, if this were an encyclopedic article, we would likely(?) follow WP:NAMECHANGES and use the common name, whether it's the deadname or Brooke. But this is not an encyclopedic article, it's a projectspace page more akin to an "official website", and we should respect her wishes. But that's just my opinion. ofHearts 22:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Unexplained removal

@Seddon: Why did you remove the decree section that is incorporated on all the other holiday pages? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I imagine because it included Brooke's former name. But I've checked with Brooke on Mastodon and she said that taking the approach we'd take in mainspace—quoting but with bracketed name/pronouns—is preferable to truncation or omission, so I've restored it thusly. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 21:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
I presume that was the thinking as well, but I am concerned about this kind of presumption and radical change with no discussion. Even at that, it's not obvious to me that the person who has the day namesake gets ownership over these documentation pages, but it is certainly wise to get the courteous check-in. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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