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The Wizard Of Oz premiered in the San Francisco Bay Area at the Oakland Paramount, on August 17, 1939, the same day it premiered in New York at Loew's Capitol Theatre. This can be confirmed by newspaper ads in the Oakland Tribune, Bancroft Library; and by Oakland Paramount advertising cards.

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The Wizard of Oz (1939 film) → The Wizard of Oz – The film, The Wizard of Oz (1939 film), and the novel, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, are sufficient distinct from each other to fall under WP:SMALLDETAILS. The original novel was not published as The Wizard of Oz (according to the article, it has sometimes been reprinted with the film's title due to the film's popularity, meaning the publishers wanted to associate themselves with the film as a companion piece, which only proves that the film is more widely associated with that term) and is thus WP:NATURALly disambiguated; this is similar to The Fellowship of the Ring (the book) vs. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (the film), or The Shawshank Redemption (the film) vs. Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption (the book).

Perhaps a more excellent example would be Nineteen Eighty-Four, which is not titled 1984 (novel) despite often being reprinted and known as such. The book and the year are both equally and highly notable, but because of the differences in their names, they are disambiguated NATURALly. Due to The Wizard of Oz's cultural impact and significance, being one of the most influential films of all time, comparable to that of Nineteen Eighty-Four, it can easily be regarded as the primary topic for the exact term "The Wizard of Oz", and this is reinforced by pageviews. A Google Search for "The Wizard of Oz" surfaces results almost exclusively for the film. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, current WP:NOPRIMARY setup works best. 162 etc. (talk) 20:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Your argument, NOPRIMARY, would mean The Wonderful Wizard of Oz needs to be moved to The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (novel). It makes no sense to claim that the book is distinct from the film, but not vice versa. InfiniteNexus (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The proposed move concerns The Wizard of Oz (1939 film). If you want to discuss moving The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, it needs to be stated explicitly in the nomination. See WP:EXPLICIT. 162 etc. (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

There are many more "The Wizard of Oz" titles than there are "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" titles. It is entirely possible for the book to be the primary topic of the longer title, while no subject is the primary topic of the shorter title, in part because it is also used as shorthand for the book. BD2412 T 23:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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