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GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pig/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wolverine XI (talk · contribs) 12:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Comments

Placing my spot. Wolverine XI 12:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Gloucester Old Spot? — Many thanks for taking this on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: Sorry for the 24-hour wait; I had some business to attend to. Starting the review now. Wolverine XI 13:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Prose

• Change the lead image; I'm seeing half-pigs, full pigs and more pink. With that image, I can't really tell how a pig's body looks like.
  • Done.

• swine What is this? I've never heard of it. In other words, I don't think that's common
  • 87 million g-hits says otherwise. Usage varies by country. Said "also" rather than "often".

• when distinguishing from other members of the genus Sus Cut and start a new sentence.
  • Done.

• It is variously considered This doesn't make sense
  • It does actually, but I've reworded it for you.

• When these arrived in Europe The problem here is obvious
  • Edited.

• Mention something about bacon in the lead
  • Added.

• pig producer A pig is an animal not a product. Are you saying China breeds the most pigs?
  • Edited. Yes.

• In the male to In males
  • Edited, but both forms are standard English.

• by constantly being ground against each other. I don't think the grammar is right here
  • Edited.

• Pigs have a maximum life span of about 27 years. Would make more sense in reproduction.
  • Moved.

• We are missing body weight, body length, height shoulder, size variation, and size records.
  • Added.

• in a way similar to the way they are Redundancy
  • Edited.

• as rural populations focused instead on commodity-producing livestock put instead before focused
  • Done, but both forms are standard English.

• More recently 2007 was 17 years ago; I remember very little from that year, so it's not recent.
  • Certainly much more recent than the Neolithic, which is what the "more" is saying.

• Historical records indicate that Asian pigs were again introduced into Europe during the 18th and early 19th centuries. How? What happened? We need to know more.
  • They interbred, what else. I think this is quite sufficient here for a general readership; it's enough to indicate a complex history of introductions and reintroductions.

• The Neolithic thing should go under History
  • No, domestication was the critical stage, and it was in the Neolithic, a period of prehistory.

• Escaped pigs became feral, disrupting the lives of Native Americans. How? Did their presence disturb people?
  • Removed the 'disrupting' bit.

• With a population of around 1 billion individuals, the domesticated pig is one of the most numerous large mammals on the planet. This has nothing to do with the Columbian Exchange
  • Moved to Agriculture.

• Ref bomb in feral pigs
  • Fixed.

• For feral pigs, you really need to say how they are disruptive and it needs expansion. The info is vary sparse and does not satisfy the reader.
  • Added.

• pregnancy to be established. Doesn't sound right
  • Edited, but again it's standard usage.

• Maternal recognition of pregnancy in pigs So mothers realize they are pregnant? Why is this important?
  • Edited. It's the body not the conscious mind, and the process triggers critical hormonal changes.

• To avoid luteolysis by PGF2α, rescuing of the corpus luteum must occur via embryonic signaling of estradiol 17β and PGE2. Too technical; a normal reader won't comprehend this.
  • Yeah, simplified.

• Mention how piglets are farmed and taken from their mothers

• No, we need a section on intelligence, pigs are way too smart. A single mention won't do it
  • Added.

• Nest-building, teat order & Nursing should go under reproduction
  • Moved.

• use is made of this in Europe. Please rephrase
  • Edited.

• Mention that pigs have a better sense of smell than dogs, and are sometimes used for this purpose. Also, just how strong is a pig's sense of smell?
  • Mentioned and cited in Senses. The scientists are very chary of saying "better than", preferring things they can actually measure.

• Slaughterhouse, bacon? Come on, I thought bacon was big, at least mention which part is used.
  • Added.

• Don't farmers cut their tails or something?
  • Added.

• How many pig breeds are there? At least in the US.
  • Added and cited. Best we stay global not regional. The section does in fact name 3 American breeds already.

• I'm a Christian and I read somewhere in the Bible that pigs were unclean, explain that please.
  • Mentioned they're forbidden in Judaism, and cited the verse that says so.

More to come. Wolverine XI 14:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources

• Corbet and Hill (1992) needs page nos.
  • Removed.

• Hughes, Paul (1980) needs page nos.
  • Removed.

• Gonyou, H. W. (2001) needs page nos.
  • Done.

• Herron, Alan J. (5 December 2009) Rm the quote, ditto in ref 101
  • Done both.

• 104 needs date
  • The source does not give a date. The op. was on 25 September 2021 and the access-date is 2 November 2021, so we're pretty close.

• Valerie Porter (2016) don't spell out page
  • Formatted.

I'm done with the review. Wolverine XI 20:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Nothing on animal welfare or the environmental footprint?

Firstly, congratulations to @Chiswick Chap for passing the GA! I know getting dragged to this article again so soon would not feel great, but I think that our top-level livestock articles should provide similarly comprehensive information across all relevant domains. Thus, when you compare this article to Cattle, the total omission of either animal welfare or greenhouse gas emissions (0 matches for either word) as well as the other environmental matters (i.e. the notorious pig lagoons) is disappointing. A section on genetics (or at least more mentions of it) would be nice too, but not as important as the above.

I would also really like to the include graphics corresponding to , and the gallery of FAO graphics about production-related statistics in the cattle article. Maybe move the gestation crate image to a future animal welfare section, and remove either the 1911 Swedish image or the Indonesian one from the gallery in Production in order to make space for those? Really wish there was a good image for an actual pig's nest to go along with the detailed text as well, but that seems surprisingly hard to find. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

P.S. That image of Neolithic pottery was actually in the article all along, including when it passed GA. I simply moved it two paragraphs down when I was adding the actual scientific graphic to the section. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 12:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I know. We really don't need to drown every article in images. It's already heavily illustrated by Misplaced Pages standards. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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