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A year or so back you asked by the presence of Tamarack (Larix laricina) in the Flathead Valley of Montana, in contradiction to the range given on the species page. It seems likely to me that the name was being applied to the western larch (Larix occidentalis), which is native to mountains in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, western Montana, and southern British Columbia. Lavateraguy (talk) 19:35, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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Conflict of interest
It occurs to me that if you were ignorant of the independence requirement in WP:N you might be unaware of its editor related cousin Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 08:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm aware of both, I just couldn't see how either was relevant. Thmazing (talk) 19:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- You were not aware of the independence requirement in WP:N just the other day, I understand that you are now aware of it. I must have missed your COI disclosure regarding the Association of Mormon Letters, where can it be found? I would also ask why if you are aware of COI have you been editing those pages directly? Perhaps you are not actually aware of what WP:COI says? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've deleted my previous comment because it was rude. I understand your feelings may be hurt and I don't want to pile on. (In short, I never said I was unaware of the independence requirement.) Misplaced Pages is not a sport where people should strive to win or lose and I apologize if I made you feel you needed to win. I hope you have a pleasant week. Thmazing (talk) 04:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- No hard feelings, as you can see from the reply I was writing below I can roll with it. I obviously misinterpreted what you said about the independence requirement, I'm sorry. It was a good discussion and as you might have noticed P-Makoto is rather brilliant even if a bit tunnel visiony at times. I don't think I won or lost anything (which in classical rhetorical parlance means I must have lost lol) because all good faith discussions make wikipedia a better place in the long run. Friction in this system is good, as long as it doesn't turn into fire. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. That's one of the things I like about this place. Thmazing (talk) 04:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- No hard feelings, as you can see from the reply I was writing below I can roll with it. I obviously misinterpreted what you said about the independence requirement, I'm sorry. It was a good discussion and as you might have noticed P-Makoto is rather brilliant even if a bit tunnel visiony at times. I don't think I won or lost anything (which in classical rhetorical parlance means I must have lost lol) because all good faith discussions make wikipedia a better place in the long run. Friction in this system is good, as long as it doesn't turn into fire. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I may very well be. To be fair there is a lot to read... Care to point me in the right direction? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Anytime now... The link is needed to add Template:Connected contributor to Association of Mormon Letters and related pages properly (it can be added without the link to the COI disclose, but its less clean that way). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've deleted my previous comment because it was rude. I understand your feelings may be hurt and I don't want to pile on. (In short, I never said I was unaware of the independence requirement.) Misplaced Pages is not a sport where people should strive to win or lose and I apologize if I made you feel you needed to win. I hope you have a pleasant week. Thmazing (talk) 04:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- You were not aware of the independence requirement in WP:N just the other day, I understand that you are now aware of it. I must have missed your COI disclosure regarding the Association of Mormon Letters, where can it be found? I would also ask why if you are aware of COI have you been editing those pages directly? Perhaps you are not actually aware of what WP:COI says? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Can you please follow the WP:COI rules for all pages where you have a COI or WP:PAID conflict? I don't see where you have disclosed, on enwiki, your COI with regards to e.g. Irreantum, the AML and its awards, or any other pages you may have a conflict of interest with (like Elias: An Epic of the Ages). Fram (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm mystified what COI you imagine with Elias; this suggests to me you may be unclear as to what COI means? As for, say Irreantum, I believe I have not edited that page since a COI came to exist. Surely you understand that time is linear and edits made before a COI exists do not have a COI? That said, I probably will keep updating the AML Awards page which I (arguably) might have a COI on, so I I'll go ahead and post a notice. That said, you should definitely revisit the COI rules. Thmazing (talk) 17:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you are a member of an organization, and you edit pages related to that organization, you inarguably have an WP:ACTUALCOI when it comes to those edits and are strongly discouraged from making them. If you don't edit those pages, you still have a potential COI that ought to be disclosed on your user page. JoelleJay (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was just going to agree with you as, at first read, everything you say seems obvious. But on closer look you seem to be saying that one should post every imaginable COI related to any organization one might be ever be affiliated with. Of course, that's not actual Misplaced Pages policy but I was curious how you handle that so I went to your page. And while I learned that "This user has published peer-reviewed articles in academic journals" and that "This user has a Doctor of Philosophy degree in molecular biology," I didn't see any COI announcements regarding the organizations you're connected to. I'm not sure how you get a PhD in anything without being a part of some kind of organization so I'm curious why you haven't displayed those potential COIs on your user page, even if you're not editing those pages? I took a look at your contributions and in those rare times you're not debating whether to debate articles or alter Misplaced Pages policies or making comments on user pages or marking things as non-notable you're . . . actually, those seem to be the bulk of your edits. But still. By your logic, shouldn't your user page be covered in possible conflicts of interest? I'd love to mention specific examples, but you've done a pretty good job hiding your identity. Me, I'm public. Anyway, thanks for stopping by. Always nice to meet new people. Thmazing (talk) 06:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- You wrote 230 words blustering over my saying you ought to disclose potential COIs, after spending however long digging through my contribs, just to avoid addressing the blatant actual COI evidence pointed out above... JoelleJay (talk) 08:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was just going to agree with you as, at first read, everything you say seems obvious. But on closer look you seem to be saying that one should post every imaginable COI related to any organization one might be ever be affiliated with. Of course, that's not actual Misplaced Pages policy but I was curious how you handle that so I went to your page. And while I learned that "This user has published peer-reviewed articles in academic journals" and that "This user has a Doctor of Philosophy degree in molecular biology," I didn't see any COI announcements regarding the organizations you're connected to. I'm not sure how you get a PhD in anything without being a part of some kind of organization so I'm curious why you haven't displayed those potential COIs on your user page, even if you're not editing those pages? I took a look at your contributions and in those rare times you're not debating whether to debate articles or alter Misplaced Pages policies or making comments on user pages or marking things as non-notable you're . . . actually, those seem to be the bulk of your edits. But still. By your logic, shouldn't your user page be covered in possible conflicts of interest? I'd love to mention specific examples, but you've done a pretty good job hiding your identity. Me, I'm public. Anyway, thanks for stopping by. Always nice to meet new people. Thmazing (talk) 06:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Thmazing, I'm intrigued as to your definition of "linear time". Personally, I think that an edit claiming you've been the editor of a magazine since the previous year probably came after your appointment as editor. But perhaps I'm incorrect; do you wish to explain how time works again? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 06:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, you're right. My memory was off. I did go add the COI notice. Thank you all for pointing out my oversight. I'm a bit embarrassed, to be honest. Thmazing (talk) 15:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you are a member of an organization, and you edit pages related to that organization, you inarguably have an WP:ACTUALCOI when it comes to those edits and are strongly discouraged from making them. If you don't edit those pages, you still have a potential COI that ought to be disclosed on your user page. JoelleJay (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Large parts of Elias: An Epic of the Ages are cited to your own blogpost on your substack, not to an independent WP:RS. How you can claim that you don't have a COI here is beyond me, but considering the problems raised by others above, I shouldn't be surprised. It isn't a one-off lapse either, here you you use another of your blogs as a source, and here yet another one. There seems to be a pattern here, I guess I would easily find other examples if I kept looking. Using your own work as a reference is part of the WP:COI page anyway, but using unreliable sources to do so pushes it clearly beyond the boundaries of what is acceptable. Fram (talk) 08:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ohhhh. Well that's something different than the complaint made before. Why didn't you just say that in the first place?
- But as I'm sure you're aware, Misplaced Pages encourages people with expert backgrounds, scientists for instance, to edit Misplaced Pages to bring their expertise to the site. There's a difference here in that I didn't place this anywhere peer-edited, so I can see why you're mad. Thmazing (talk) 15:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I just reviewed the guidelines and probably I did cross a line here. I'll work on getting that published elsewhere, but if you want to throw some sort of notice on the page in the meantime, I won't be offended. Thmazing (talk) 15:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how what I explained now is any different than "pages you may have a conflict of interest with (like Elias: An Epic of the Ages). " which I said before. Can you please also do the necessary for all other pages where you have some form of COI in your editing? It's not up to me to do this, you should do this yourself, on pages where your COI has been pointed out here nown and on other ones where this hasn't happened yet. It has been done this week at Association for Mormon Letters by another editor after they waited for months for you to do the necessary. You have wasted enough time and patience of other editors here with deflection, omissions, misunderstandings, bad memory issues, and so on. If you don't do it yourself, I will bring this to the appropriate noticeboard (probably WP:ANI). Fram (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like we're talking about roughly a dozen edits over roughly 8000 edits or .15% of my total edits. Even if we quadruple my infractions, which seems a number higher than likely, it's less than half of one percent of my total edits.
- I know you just got out of arbitration yourself and so I can understand why you'd want to share the love, but I feel like the conversation we've had has already solved this problem. Unless you actually are threatening to report me for additional infractions you imagine might exist? But I can't believe you really mean that.
- Let's not forget that this piling-on is only possible because I have voluntarily made my identity public. So a small number of errors seems like maybe I'm doing okay?
- I've been in edit battles with sock puppets before. I know what bad-faith editing looks like. As far as I can tell, even in your opinion, none of the examples here involve me being shady—just sloppy. Mea culpa.
- I think you might feel better about things if you report me. I mean—you're Fram! You have a reputation to maintain! (I was lurking on a Discord channel earlier today and you came up. "What a coincidence!" I said to myself.) So if you want to, please go ahead. I won't be offended. I've observed plenty of these battles in the past and I'm confident that, even with my errors, I have demonstrably been acting in good faith. The numbers back me up.
- I'm not sure how you all ended up here (perhaps you're on another Discord channel complaining about me?) but I want you to know that I appreciate the feedback. I'll admit that it's hard, when you become officially affiliated with something you've long been editing, to make that transition. But I'm not afraid of feedback or pushback which is why my identity is public. Although I'm a big supporter of Misplaced Pages's anonymity policies, I do think that people calling kettles black should consider making themselves as public as the kettle.
- Sincerely, Thmazing (talk) 23:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how what I explained now is any different than "pages you may have a conflict of interest with (like Elias: An Epic of the Ages). " which I said before. Can you please also do the necessary for all other pages where you have some form of COI in your editing? It's not up to me to do this, you should do this yourself, on pages where your COI has been pointed out here nown and on other ones where this hasn't happened yet. It has been done this week at Association for Mormon Letters by another editor after they waited for months for you to do the necessary. You have wasted enough time and patience of other editors here with deflection, omissions, misunderstandings, bad memory issues, and so on. If you don't do it yourself, I will bring this to the appropriate noticeboard (probably WP:ANI). Fram (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I just reviewed the guidelines and probably I did cross a line here. I'll work on getting that published elsewhere, but if you want to throw some sort of notice on the page in the meantime, I won't be offended. Thmazing (talk) 15:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
AirshipJungleman29 already touched on this, but looking more closely, your dismissal of your COI on Irreantum beggars belief. You claim "As for, say Irreantum, I believe I have not edited that page since a COI came to exist." These are your edits to that page; every single one came after your COI started, you edited it last in October 2023, your name is immediately visible again and again when one just looks at the page history... Perhaps next time, if you don't remember the facts, first check such things before dismissing the concerns from others? Fram (talk) 08:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at my COI notice on that page you'll notice I discovered I was wrong. Consider me sheepish and apologetic. Thmazing (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at the COI notice on the page it says "Although I haven't made significant edits since taking over Irreantum's editorship, I have fixed some dashes and added a citation and such." which doesn't appear to be truthful, you have made significant edits since taking over Irreantum's editorship. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
On Association of Mormon Letters is this supposed to be the COI notice? It feels like it should be mentioned in the edit summary of edits like this (edit summary: "removed notability warning for two reasons: patently untrue and to draw attention to the sources issue which is more significant and urgent") but I don't see anything. If you never actually made the declaration thats fine, but please clarify if that was the case. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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