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Some Poundras are Baishnabs they are Achyuta Gotra. They converted to Vaishnavas during Bhakti Movement of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. They Practice Vaishnavism. They are Das and Adhikary titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meetwithme234 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Barman (2014)
In the pre-colonial literatures (such as Brihatdharma Purana, Brahmabaibartya Purana, Sibayan of Rameswar Bhattacharya and Annadamangal of Bharat Chandra Ray) the Poundras were classified as almost untouchable (as antaja, asatsudra, adhamsankara, etc).
— Barman, Rup Kumar (2014-01-01). "From Pods to Poundra: A Study on the Poundra Kshatriya Movement for Social Justice 1891–1956". Voice of Dalit. 7 (1): 121–138. doi:10.1177/0974354520140108. ISSN 0974-3545.
So many issues in a single line:
- Asatsudra did not mean
almost untouchable
in Brh. P — such an assumption would span over half of the Uttam Sankaras alongside all of Madhyam Sankaras and Adham Sankaras. In any case, Poundras/Pods are not mentioned in Brh. P. and Barman does not provide any source either. - About Bv. P., see my addition to the article.
- More later incl. other parts of article.
TrangaBellam (talk) 10:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Offensive terms banned by high courts of India..
Use of the word "dalit" is discouraged and banned by high courts of India..please remove it.. Kk1141014036 (talk) 15:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Decision by Bombay High court 2018 banning the use of word dalit Kk1141014036 (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Indian courts don't have jurisdiction over Misplaced Pages, which is hosted in the United States, and Misplaced Pages is not censored. JBW (talk) 16:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Kshatriya reservation ...
Many kshatriya castes have reservation benefits like Yadav's Jats Marathas etc come under OBC and many others have ST like Kurmi ..or Meena who also are known to be kshatriya..some kushwaha caste come under EBC too.
Poundra were recognised as kshatriya by government of West Bengal during 1950 and are mentioned as kshatriya in government records so officially they are kshatriya... Kk1141014036 (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
On 14 December 1939, Patiram Roy MLA placed the demand before the Bengal Legislative Assembly for identifying the community as Paundra-Kshatria, and the proposal was carried in the Assembly. Earlier on 6 May 1938, the secretary of the Bengal government in a letter appraised Patiram Roy that the community would be designated as 'Paundra-Kshatria' in the official documents and in proceedings of the court. Kk1141014036 (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Historical sources to support the kshatriya tag given..the status of Poundta as kshatriya continue till today Kk1141014036 (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Factual information
Maurya community which is known to be the ancestors of Mauryan dynasty are currently under Backward classes...many kshatriya too have reservation and quata benefits which doesn't qualify them to be called as Dalits.. Kk1141014036 (talk) 16:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2022
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Hi, It was me who requested a protection on this page but it appears that somebody edited this page before it was protected. Anyways here are few corrections that can be done: Poundras are also known as Poundra Kshatriyas here is a source to proof my claim(the truth) "Simultaneously, they adopted certain rituals from the caste Hindus to legitimize their demand. At the same time they placed their appeal to the colonial G9vernment for recognition of a respectable caste identity. They also initiated social reforms including the spread of education in their own society for materializing the dreams of achieving respectable caste status. In such a context of colonial society of Bengal, in this article I shall highlight the social movement of the Pods of Bengal who demanded Poundra (Kshatriya) identity for achieving respect and social justice what was granted by the Government of Independent India in 1956" and also, Though they are included in the scheduled castes, they are not Dalits.
}} Aceofalljackofnone (talk) 20:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Not done for now: You'll need to provide information on where that quote came from. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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Meetwithme234 (talk) 06:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Some Poundras are Baishnabs they are Achyuta Gotra. They converted to Vaishnavas during Bhakti Movement of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. They Practice Vaishnavism. They are Das and Adhikary titles.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 09:08, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Before somebody files a PIL (Public Interest Litigation), kindly remove the term "Pode" from Misplaced Pages as it has already been renounced
Paundra-Kshatria is a section of the scheduled caste community specifically earmarked in the schedule as Paundra-Kshatria. In the 1872 census report, the people of this community are designated as 'Pode'. In consequence of the movement of the Paundra-Kshatrias, though the word 'Paundra' was inserted within brackets after the designation 'Pode' in the census report of 1921, the insertion was found deleted in the census report of 1931. On December 14, 1939, Patiram Roy MLA placed the demand before the Bengal Legislative Assembly for identifying the community as Paundra-Kshatria, and the proposal was carried in the Assembly. Earlier, on May 6, 1938, the secretary of the Bengal government, in a letter, appraised Patiram Roy that the community would be designated as 'Paundra-Kshatria' in the official documents and in the proceedings of the court. Sourin666 (talk) 13:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Sourin666, please note that Misplaced Pages is not censored! Ekdalian (talk) 14:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Please don't forget that the inciting and misleading article can also be changed or edited, Ekdalian. In addition, the content encourages caste discrimination by using the phrase "Paundra caste Pod," which violates Article 15 of The Constitution of India, which states that discrimination based on caste, race, religion, sex, or place of birth is unacceptable and is a crime punishable by Indian Penal Code (IPC) Section 153A Sourin666 (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sourin666, previously the name of the article was Pod (caste). I moved the page to Poundra (caste). Please note that Misplaced Pages isn't censored and Indian laws/acts do not apply on it. Pod name is still in use by scholars and in official records. "Free knowledge for one and all" is our motto, We don't encourage any type of discrimination. Thanks.CharlesWain (talk) 19:08, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- CharlesWain How in the world is the term "pod" still used in the article if the page has already been updated to Poundra (caste)? It also mentions that we find the term "pod" offensive, but why bring it up if you already know it is? If Indian laws do not work, it appears that the only option is to involve influential people in revealing your biased falsehoods and also provide further details about the specific academics using the term 'pod' and display a single instance of a document that references "pod" after the Bengal Legislative Assembly approved the resolution on December 14, 1939, in response to Patiram Roy, MLA, calling for the name to be changed from Paundra-Kshatria. Why don't you try to conduct ten rounds of research before making a statement? It is useless to spread erroneous information under the guise of free knowledge. Sourin666 (talk) 04:38, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sourin666, Here is the list of the scheduled castes of West Bengal -list; Please Check number 53 on the list.CharlesWain (talk) 05:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- CharlesWain, Please produce a legal document stating that members of the caste Poundra are dalits or untouchables. Sourin666 (talk) 07:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Why legal document? Indian laws are not applicable for Misplaced Pages! Many people think 'Shudra' word is offensive in caste articles of Bengal, we don't remove the same! Accept the truth. Ekdalian (talk) 07:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Sourin666, please be advised that any further legal threats will result in a request for WP:NLT. If you have any sources to support your claim, you are welcome to present them here. Additionally, please note that WP:SYN or WP:OR are not permitted.Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 08:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Satnam2408, Do you have any credible evidence to support your claim that Poundra / Poundra-Kshatriyas belong to the dalit (untouchable) caste? If not, why did you mention the caste of Dalits (untouchables) in the article ? Sourin666 (talk) 08:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ekdalian Yes, I am aware that there is no concrete evidence to support your claim that Poundra-Kshatriyas belong to the dalit caste. Nevertheless, you continue to assert that Poundra-Kshatriyas are dalits, proving once again how phony and misleading Misplaced Pages can be. Sourin666 (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Sourin666, I have never edited the article. However, as a responsible editor, I have informed you about the relevant policies. Hey Ekdalian, and CharlesWain, I have replaced the term 'Dalit' with the legal term 'Scheduled Caste'. If you think the term is not perfect, you can change it. Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 08:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Appreciate your assistance, Satnam2408, CharlesWain, and Ekdalian. After all, entries on Misplaced Pages ought to be accurate and appropriate. Sourin666 (talk) 12:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Sourin666, I have never edited the article. However, as a responsible editor, I have informed you about the relevant policies. Hey Ekdalian, and CharlesWain, I have replaced the term 'Dalit' with the legal term 'Scheduled Caste'. If you think the term is not perfect, you can change it. Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 08:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Sourin666, please be advised that any further legal threats will result in a request for WP:NLT. If you have any sources to support your claim, you are welcome to present them here. Additionally, please note that WP:SYN or WP:OR are not permitted.Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 08:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Why legal document? Indian laws are not applicable for Misplaced Pages! Many people think 'Shudra' word is offensive in caste articles of Bengal, we don't remove the same! Accept the truth. Ekdalian (talk) 07:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- CharlesWain, Please produce a legal document stating that members of the caste Poundra are dalits or untouchables. Sourin666 (talk) 07:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sourin666, Here is the list of the scheduled castes of West Bengal -list; Please Check number 53 on the list.CharlesWain (talk) 05:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- CharlesWain How in the world is the term "pod" still used in the article if the page has already been updated to Poundra (caste)? It also mentions that we find the term "pod" offensive, but why bring it up if you already know it is? If Indian laws do not work, it appears that the only option is to involve influential people in revealing your biased falsehoods and also provide further details about the specific academics using the term 'pod' and display a single instance of a document that references "pod" after the Bengal Legislative Assembly approved the resolution on December 14, 1939, in response to Patiram Roy, MLA, calling for the name to be changed from Paundra-Kshatria. Why don't you try to conduct ten rounds of research before making a statement? It is useless to spread erroneous information under the guise of free knowledge. Sourin666 (talk) 04:38, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sourin666, previously the name of the article was Pod (caste). I moved the page to Poundra (caste). Please note that Misplaced Pages isn't censored and Indian laws/acts do not apply on it. Pod name is still in use by scholars and in official records. "Free knowledge for one and all" is our motto, We don't encourage any type of discrimination. Thanks.CharlesWain (talk) 19:08, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Please don't forget that the inciting and misleading article can also be changed or edited, Ekdalian. In addition, the content encourages caste discrimination by using the phrase "Paundra caste Pod," which violates Article 15 of The Constitution of India, which states that discrimination based on caste, race, religion, sex, or place of birth is unacceptable and is a crime punishable by Indian Penal Code (IPC) Section 153A Sourin666 (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Poundras Religion
Poundras are Hindu. They are Madhukalya Gotra. Some Poundras are Vaishnavas or Baishnabs Sampradaya. They are Achyuta Gotra . They converted to Vaishnavas during Bhakti Movement of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu . They Practice Vaishnavism . They are Das and Adhikary and Mohanta titles. Infox36 (talk) 06:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
The supporting references indicate that article revisions are necessary
The highlighted text from the references indicates that specific terminologies have been emphasized in the article, while others have not. The supporting reference from Sage Publishing states, "Lack of education and social restrictions made them an ‘oppressed social category’ who can be categorized as 'Dalits'." However, the reference also states, "In such a context as the colonial society of Bengal, in this article I shall highlight the social movement of the Pods of Bengal who demanded Poundra (Kshatriya) identity for achieving respect and social justice, which was granted by the Government of Independent India in 1956." Therefore, the request is to either highlight that Poundras are Kshatriyas or to remove the untouchable terminology from the article. Sourin666 (talk) 06:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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