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British Rail Class 90 edits

Stop changing back the class 90 thread, all information that i and many others put on is accurate. (Personal attack removed) DuanLW87035 (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Information in Misplaced Pages must be verifiable and/or referenced - Misplaced Pages is not for original research - see WP:V Danners430 (talk) 09:35, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Scot-rail.co.uk

Nice spot of spotter site scot-rail.co.uk I have removed a few more references leaving {{cn}} in its place. Any others we should be having a crack at? 10mmsocket (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Not that I’m aware of at the moment - Scot-rail is just 100% user contributed, almost like a wiki Danners430 (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

British Rail Class 33 revert

Hi there. As a relatively inexperienced user, I'm not sure I understand why you've reverted my Class 33 edit, or what I should do to avoid it. D6515 is no longer under overhaul at Eastleigh, it's been back in use at Swanage for some time - I've seen it in use there, and it's also visited other heritage railways in the last couple of months. Not really sure what I could cite to say that it's operational (very few of the other entries in that column have citations). Must confess that having such a straightforward edit removed does rather dissuade me from further editing! Mwsmith20 (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Mwsmith20, edits on Misplaced Pages should be cited using reliable sources - these could be magazine articles, news websites or books. For example, some good sources are RAIL Magazine and other such publications - they often have articles which detail stock moves, both on the mainline network and between heritage railways. Unfortunately I haven't found any sources which state it's back in service at Swanage - if there is such a source, then the edit is of course perfectly valid. Danners430 (talk) 10:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Class 25 D7659 edit on 'British Rail Class 25'

Evening Danners, contrary to your opinion, D7659 is no longer undergoing repairs at Peak Rail and has been in service since 30th April 2022. I give you 3 sources as proof: 1) Peak Rail website gives the locomotive as one which is 'Arriving at Peak Rail in 2022', in other words one of the locomotives which is operating trains: https://www.peakrail.co.uk/ 2) The main Peak Rail social media channel on Facebook regularly advertises when the locomotive is running, including at the recent Mixed Traction Gala held earlier in August: https://m.facebook.com/100083362060025/ 3) The locomotive also made an extended visit to the North Norfolk Railway from early June until late July in operational condition: https://www.nnrailway.co.uk/class-25s-norfolk-visit-extended/ Hopefully this evidence is to your satisfaction, but if you still refuse to accept this, then I suggest you visit Peak Rail in person to see for yourself that it is now operational. Regards, GW1450 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GW1450 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi GW1450, if you wish to re-add the information to the class 25 page, then the sources can be added as citations to the article. I am not a gatekeeper to the article - the sources belong in there, not on my talk page.

Your edit was undone as the information was unsourced at the time - like I said, you’re welcome to add the information with sources. Danners430 (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

British Rail Class 170 edits

Good morning Danners430. Can I just reiterate that I am a new user to this site and that I don’t edit things often. I think you need to be more patient please as whilst you might be using a computer, I am stuck with a phone so it takes much longer for me to edit things, so when you spend 5 seconds undoing things I feel like I have wasted my time even though my edit is completely valid. Instead of undoing it, why not try and find the source yourself? It can’t be that difficult as you seem like you know what you are doing.

170270-170273 are all with EMR now. I have had to edit this page twice now, and I am not sure why you are changing this back for no reason even though both 170270 and 170272 have been photographed as being in service with EMR, and 170271 is at Barrow Hill and is being prepared. All have left TfW.

By all means if you want the information to be wrong, fine. But I accept no responsibility for the inaccuracies you are applying.

Thank you for your time. ScotRail02 (talk) 11:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi ScotRail02,

Information on Misplaced Pages must be verifiable - it’s built on verifiability, not truth. Photographs aren’t reliable sources under WP:UGC, and Twitter can really only be considered reliable if coming from a verified source (although I definitely agree a discussion should be had following recent events).

It’s not up to other editors to find sources for you - if you wish to add information to an article, it’s up to you to source it. Danners430 (talk) 11:58, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

A better description than what I could ever write can be found at the bottom of this talk page. Danners430 (talk) 12:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Class 397 ORR auth

Is trimming a source's title like this acceptable? I genuinely don't know the answer, but it strikes me as somewhat irregular. Cheers. XAM2175  18:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I’ve honestly never considered it either - personally I regularly trim source titles when sourcing my own content, when the “real” title is unwieldy or un-descriptive in some way. A perfect example is when citing Tweets from verified accounts.

I’d be interested to discover the official policy - in my eyes, and I’ll happily be corrected, a source title should simply be a one-line summary of the contents of the source Danners430 (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I can understand a level of subjectivity when it comes to things like Tweets that don't have a "title", per se – personally I use either the opening sentence (a bit like a modern-day incipit) or a direct quote of some other part of the Tweet that best encapsulates the point – but I would hesitate to endorse that view across the board. My understanding is that the detail of the citation has the primary purpose of allowing another person to find at some point in the future the work being cited. Obviously this is somewhat less of a concern now given that we have hyperlinks and web archives, but from that original perspective it follows that the title should be quoted near-enough to exactly (beyond very minor adjustments such as those along the lines listed at MOS:CONFORM, or perhaps some level of truncation). Hence using a newspaper article's headline verbatim, or indeed – a recent discovery of my own – using a magazine's cover date even when this results in a citation having a date some days or weeks in the future. XAM2175  19:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

That makes sense - in the example being discussed, the “trimmed” title was still a direct quote of the “header” paragraph, albeit trimmed and sentence cased. I’m obviously happy to leave as is, still an interesting thought however Danners430 (talk) 19:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

British Rail Class 47

Thanks, looks like it was an accidental paste from something else I was working on :-) Neils51 (talk) 10:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

RI242

Two points:

1. At British Rail Class 390 § Avanti West Coast refurbishment, please remember to update the "as of" caption when you update the table, and;
2. Are you sure about the edits you made at British Rail Class 91 § List of Class 91 locomotives to the entries for 91110, 91111, and 91119? To the best of my knowledge they've neither been renamed nor reliveried, but rather their special liveries have been properly painted on (instead of being vinyl wrappings as before).

Thanks. XAM2175  18:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

For the class 91 edits, I quote the article in Railways Illustrated - "91107 Skyfall has become the final member of the operational fleet to move to Wabtec Doncaster for repainting into the new LNER InterCity 225 oxblood colour scheme". Also from the same magazine, but page 23 - "all of LNER's remaining operational Class 91s have now been repainted following the release of 91107 in the Intercity-derived livery". To me that means that all the LNER Class 91s in service are in that livery.

As for the Class 390 table, I missed that point when I was editing - it's a bit of a mess in terms of syntax, so it probably got lost for me! Thanks for correcting it. Danners430 (talk) 18:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

No worries re the 390 bit. Re the 91s – the article is referring to the ones that were left in VTEC livery, but I grant you that the wording is tricky: all of LNER's remaining operational Class 91s have now been repainted following the release of 91107 in the Intercity-derived livery says that all have now been repainted, but not that they were all painted into LNER IC. The three specials were in fact all painted in their existing special liveries last year; there's coverage of 91119's repaint in this RailAdvent article for a start. Note the paragraph 91119 will re-enter passenger service on the East Coast Main Line in due course and will join 91110 ‘Battle of Britain Memorial Flight’ and 91111 ‘For the Fallen’ in having a unique livery, whilst the rest of the LNER 91s will receive a rebrand into the LNER ‘InterCity Inspired’ livery. XAM2175  18:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

That makes sense - sadly I didn’t have the context of other articles and info about the other locos. That’s why we work together on here! Thanks for your assistance with this. Danners430 (talk) 18:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Exactly! Thanks very much for your efforts too. XAM2175  18:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Many thanks for your trust :-) Danners430 (talk) 15:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

British Rail Class 378

TfL has agreed in the agenda (https://board.tfl.gov.uk/documents/s19641/fc-20230308-item13a-class378-lease-part1.pdf) for

1. (2.1a) Terminating the existing 2007 lease and the 2013 lease relating to the Class 378 fleet
2. (2.1b) Purchase of the Class 378 fleet as described in this paper.
3. (4.4) The operational and fleet strategy is to retain the Class 378 fleet in operations on the London Overground until life expired in 2044

And they have explicitly mentioned on their budget in the cite PDF page 24 on the Other section:

(22/23 includes the purchase of the London Overground class 378 rolling stock (£281m), which will reduce cost

and risk compared to the current leasing arrangements.)

This could be interpreted as they have already completed or in process of transferring ownership from QW Rail Leasing.

Littlerabbit506 (talk) 08:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I completely missed that in the original source - however, it doesn't look like it's already happened, at least there's nothing saying it's gone beyond a proposal yet. Perhaps it would be better to have that in the article as a proposal, instead of something that has "already happened"? Would be worth linking the second PDF too. Danners430 (talk) 08:21, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Class 415

Hey just want to say that there is a source that does have it 90.242.161.180 (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Class 66

Regarding Class 66, 66721 named Harry Beck - I saw this youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxko_0GF5c which has this locomotive passing through hence my adding it to the named locomotive list. I cannot find any references to when it was actually named though :( Sfyffecollins (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

YouTube is not a reliable source as it falls under WP:UGC. A suitable source would be a magazine or news article detailing the naming. If it's only just been named, then it'll likely be in the next edition of Rail or Railways Illustrated, or similar publications. Danners430 (talk) 15:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

In fact, XAM2175 has found a source and re-added the info :-) Danners430 (talk) 15:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Class 73 Edit

@Danners430 Hi, i see you've edited the information i put on the class 73s entry, i can confirm this as being true as i was present at the naming ceremony Aftv15 (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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CS1 error on British Rail Class 43 (HST)

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BR 4MT 76079 on NYMR

hi,

I read your message you sent me regarding the edit I made on 76079's status.

It's been withdrawn for overhaul and it currently stored at Pickering carriage shed. This is true because I visited the railway yesterday and I saw it stored in the carriage shed. JamesH2002 (talk) 16:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

You and I may know it to be true - but unless it's backed up by a reliable source, it doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages. Original research doesn't count towards that. Danners430 (talk) 16:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Found a source and added it in JamesH2002 (talk) 17:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that - if you can find a better source however, please do replace the one you added initially - it does look as though it's WP:UGC, so a better source is very desirable. Danners430 (talk) 10:38, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I've tried looking fur a better source and can't find one at the moment but I will keep looking. JamesH2002 (talk) 10:57, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Attack pages

To clarify, if someone creates their user page to negatively rant about a specific user or organization, that's covered by an attack page speedy deletion. Criticizing Misplaced Pages itself is generally considered to be okay- though there likely is a line that can be crossed in that regard(perhaps excessive vulgarity, threats of legal action, etc.), I don't think that post does. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

No worries at all - it probably flew close to the line with the phrase "wankerpedia", but it's definitely not an attack on individuals so that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the info and the help in improving my knowledge Danners430 (talk) 11:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

WCR wiki update

The edit was done as the engines are now no longer located at Fort William as they have returned south for the winter period. The section is being kept updated with genuine references and has been done so with previous locos including the A3 being moved to York for an event and 45212 returning home to the K&WVR for the winter. DO NOT REVERT 77.103.154.52 (talk) 00:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

"DO NOT REVERT" is not going to stop anyone. Your edit added content which was not covered by the reference, such as loco owners. Unless it's properly referenced, it has no place on wikipedia. Danners430 (talk) 10:08, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Cites

There is no point in replacing one section of uncited text with another. If you cared to look the 175s have been withdrawn, so applying WP:COMMONSENSE then there is no way that they are operating services into Manchester. Inverkatun (talk) 00:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

It should not have been uncited in the first place. Readers should not be expected to hunt for cites in other articles to back up information in the article they were reading. Danners430 (talk) 00:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

144009

Flickr is actually generally unreliable. This photograph is not published anonymously, and Martyn Hilbert is a well published author of media on railways. So I actually think my citation is reasonable. YorkshireExpat (talk) 05:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

If that image gets published in a magazine for example, then it can be used as a reference. An image by itself however falls under User Generated Content, so cannot be considered a reliable source. Danners430 (talk) 12:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

British Rail Class 59

Hi Danners430, I think "vandalism" may be an overinterpretation in Special:Diff/1190969996. Original research, perhaps; disruptive editing, perhaps... Vandalism, nah. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Mh, I hadn't noticed their edit summaries yet. Disruptive, yes. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand - was a little annoyed after reading the edit summaries! Danners430 (talk) 22:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I've had yet another look and they're so similar that all are now blocked as sockpuppets. Thanks for your report! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Please don't change the format of dates, as you did to ScotRail.

Hello, Danners430, you wrote the text in the title of this section on my talk page, but that's not what I did - that's what you did!

That line was followed by: "As a general rule, if an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the dates should be left in the format they were originally written in".

Your advice for what I should do, is EXACTLY what I did - leave the dates in the predominant format of the page (see below). I did NOT change the date format: I changed the date from "2023-05-22" to "2023-12-31" . You changed the date format (and the date) to "31 December 2923" as part of undoing my edit . I simply undid that undo - which passively undid your active changing of the date format.

Personally, I'm not fussed about date format, and happy to be corrected constructively - and if you had simply edited the page to have that date format for that date, I wouldn't have cared. However you seem to be very aggressive about which date format is used (undoing edits, slandering me on my talk page).

But do you actually care about date formats? The date I edited had been there in the wrong format for (at least) 7 months. The paragraph above the access date we changed has the following dates: 23 May 2022 (in text), 2022-05-19 (date field of cite news template), 2022-05-31 (archive-date field of cite news template), June 2022 (in text), 2022-06-08 (date field of cite news template), 14 June 2022 (archive-date field of cite news template), 6 June 2022 (in text), 2022-05-27 (date field of cite news template), 2022-06-03 (archive-date field of cite news template) , but yet you didn't change them to the format you apparently passionately want them to be in, despite being there for about 18 months!

So, the question is - do you actually care about the date formats? or is this merely an excuse to undo my edit out of some sort of malice towards me? Either way, thanks for the reminder about why I edit wikipedia far less than I could and I'll see you again in a couple of years when I've forgotten once again why I was steering clear of editing wikipedia with a 10 foot bargepole: certain users making it unenjoyable and not worth the hassle.

Happy New Year 86.18.220.144 (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

There's an ongoing discussion on your talk page - I shall continue the conversation there to avoid splitting the discussion. Danners430 (talk) 19:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

ANI report

I think you have the wrong diff for you fifth example at ANI. I think you meant the next edit rather than the one by Turini2. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 22:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Whoops! Oh well, looks like it's been resolved either way... My apologies to Turini2! Danners430 (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

WCR Edits

The information provided by realtime is reliable info showing that the engines have moved by rail from one location to another. 44871 & 45407 have both returned home to the ELR & 45596 has returned to the ELR, what other site do you want the info from RailAdvent. 80.192.53.153 (talk) 19:42, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

If you would care to read the edit summaries, I have twice now linked WP:REALTIMETRAINS. RailAdvent is definitely a better source to state they have moved. However, it doesn't say anything about their status in service, boiler tickets etc.

And since you appear to be posting on other people's talk pages, might I suggest you read your own, where I've left multiple messages over multiple months, which appear to have been ignored? Danners430 (talk) 19:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I have been reading your messages if you do not mind. 80.192.53.153 (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Well then please do take heed, especially about the way you write sources… templates like Cite Web exist for a reason Danners430 (talk) 19:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Class 195 image

To be honest the image you have added is no better than the one Class444SWRail was trying to foist on us, mainly I suspect, because it is one of his. His latest suggestion (Preston) is better. The image taken at Piccadilly shows the underframe detail which neither the two latter ones do. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I'd suggest starting a thread on the talk page then - I only changed it to stop the constant back and forth... it was a 30 second search on Commons :D Danners430 (talk) 12:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Hi @Danners430, the location of 60007 & 61306 is 100% correct as Crewe TMD, but I’m struggling to find the source for 61306. I thought the link I provided for 60007 was correct as it should have been the movement for after it failed in Edinburgh last December. It was dragged back to Crewe by 20132. I will have a proper look when I get on my PC later as I was editing on mobile earlier IsaacArrows47593 (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't dispute the accuracy of your info - however without reliable sources it doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages Danners430 (talk) 17:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Black Five Page Tampering

The photographs we're kept seperate from the notes section, for a reason. Having the photograph positioned above the notes makes it even bigger than it's supposed to be, having the photographs in a seperate box and the notes in a seperate box makes it easier for people to understand also. Plus it makes no sense having photographs in a box which isn't related, they are better in a seperate box than mixed up as 44806 has a large number of notes in it presently and you having the photograph above these notes makes it even bigger than it's supposed to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.53.153 (talk) 00:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest you take your comments to the talk page on the article instead of canvassing different editors.

And again… welcome to the world of finally communicating… perhaps now you'd feel like looking at WP:ANI where you've been reported for multiple things, and have ignored messages about… Danners430 (talk) 00:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)