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March 22

Qumash

Please check my article. Draft:Qumash Bekejan (talk) 07:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

This does not look to be anywhere near meeting the general notability guideline. Also, are you involved with this in some way?--♦IanMacM♦ 08:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Bekejan, if this "humorous information project" is, as you say, not commercial, is it charitable or what? -- Hoary (talk) 08:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Abusive comment left in edit notes

Hi. There's an issue with recent edits to the Cotham School wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Cotham_School&action=history. A user has deleted a paragraph on the page (which isn't the issue) and has left an abusive comment in the edits. You can see that the abusive comment was their main goal because they made the edit, then reverted it, then made it again because they'd made a typo in their original edit comment (fowl > foul). I don't know who inserted the original paragraph, don't know who deleted it, don't know if it was correct or not. But surely editors aren't allowed to leave derogatory comments on the edit history? BPstokelodge (talk) 09:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I've seen far worse derogatory comments than that. It's actually pretty mild. It is not uncommon for a user to repeat an edit to leave or correct an edit summary. 331dot (talk) 09:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@BPstokelodge Your own contributions show that you have never added an edit summary. Please do so, since these help explain to other editors why you have made an addition or removal. See WP:EDITSUMMARY. I agree with 331dot that the edit summaries in question were not worth worrying about. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Not Referenced Fake Story / Fabricated Characters ?

The isbn is faked not linking.

Yuen_Kay-shan

Although representations are possible and complimentary.. Heartmaybe (talk) 12:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Heartmaybe The only ISBN I can see on that article's references is 1892515032 which is in Google books. Can you clarify what you think is the problem with this? Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, after two clicks the web page of the google book loaded Heartmaybe (talk) 16:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Article Section Heading "Capitalisation"

Hello! Sorry to bother you guys! I have checked the "frenquently Asked Questions" section, but I can only seem to find the general article on "Capitalisation", i.e. Capitalization

I need a link that I can quote for an editor's page indicating how section titles in Misplaced Pages articles should be capitalised. I have seen a number of people assert that only the first word of a section title should begin with a capital, i.e. "===Longest connections strategy===", and not ""===Longest Connections Strategy==="". However, I have never been able to pin-point the actual Misplaced Pages policy which states that this rule exists. This "Capitalisation" issue has been raised in a Misplaced Pages article talk forum that I am working on at the moment . I told them I would ask this "help desk" forum for a link to the relevent policy.

Can you please help us? SMargan (talk) 12:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

SMargan, MOS:SECTIONCAPS. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@SMargan The easiest way to find such advice in the search system is to prefix your search term with "WP:" so that the system will look in the correct namespace. Hence instead of reaching Capitalization in article space you would have reached WP:Capitalization where the advice you needed is located. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance that both of you have given me. It has been invaluable.SMargan (talk) 13:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

fake disambiguation page

Nancy (given name) is a fake disambiguation page. If its an article about the name we probably shouldn't be listing everyone with that name, right? Those belong in Nancy#People (if they belong anywhere, a link that lists all articles starting with Nancy would make more sense). Polygnotus (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Same problem over at Anna_(name)#People. Polygnotus (talk) 13:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus I think that both the articles are supposed to be WP:PEOPLELISTs, where each has a section at the top giving some background about the use of the name. Nancy is a disambiguation page and includes lots of topics which are not given names of people, e.g. Nancy, France and Jean-Luc Nancy, where the name is a surname, not a given name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

New Entry for Photographer Susan Wood

Hello. Susan Wood is a published photographer, about to turn 92. Here's her author page on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B07KPLVCR6/about There are many more references. Who would be an appropriate person to add her information to wikipedia? Thank you so much. Margery Margie NYC (talk) 14:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Here is a good source. Polygnotus (talk) 14:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Here is another. Polygnotus (talk) 14:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Here. Polygnotus (talk) 14:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

And here. I believe she meets WP:GNG. Polygnotus (talk) 14:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Margie NYC and welcome. You could ask at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Before writing an article it is necessary to check that the subject is Misplaced Pages:Notable, which usually means finding coverage in reliable sources which are independent of the subject. The links above are a good start. TSventon (talk) 14:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

They have a photographers section too, (Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Women in Red/Photographers,) so you can add her to the list there, and include some of the sources to help out whoever wants to make the page. Shaws username . talk . 14:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

There used to be a draft but it was deleted. I have asked if it can be undeleted. Polygnotus (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

You are so helpful. Thank you so much. I believe she qualifies as Misplaced Pages:Notable. I will add her to the photographer's list, and add sources. If the draft can be undeleted, that would be great. Then additions/corrections can start to be added. I really appreciate your help! Margie NYC (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi. This is my first time adding anything to Misplaced Pages. I added Susan Wood to the American Photographers section of Women in Red, but it turned blue, not red, so I hope I don't get booted out. Any other tips are so appreciated! Margie NYC (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I created the article here Susan Wood (photographer) you are free to expand and improve it. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Wonderful!!! Thank you so much!! Margie NYC (talk) 16:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Idealogical Bias?

When reading some articles, it is very clear there is an idealogical, most specifically a political, bias. Wiki says that there is no centralized editing, but who has the final say in editing? If I wanted to edit someone else's page to be more 'fair' in its political bias, I imagine someone will come along behind me and reverse my edit, resulting in a never-ending edit war. How is this handled? I believe Wiki pages should be honest and fair in their content so as to not rewrite or spin history. I can cite some examples of the idealogical/political bias if needed. 70.116.118.94 (talk) 15:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Please cite some examples. We handle this by talking a lot and sometimes requesting input from the wider community. Also see User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.. Polygnotus (talk) 15:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

i resent the implicit bias inherent in your statement in that it encompasses only this point in space time and utterly omits to encompass other continuities based on alternate physical laws based upon ypotehtical dimensions which may or may not exist. Sm8900 (talk) 16:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Umm, "edit someone else's page"? One's user page sort of belongs to the associated user, with limits. But article pages don't belong to anyone, so it doesn't mean anything to write "Edit someone else's page". Jc3s5h (talk) 15:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

No-one has "the final say" on any article. Every article is in a sense unfinished, because more relevant information might emerge about its subject; its contents is agreed and if appropriate modified by ongoing processes of applying the bold, revert, discuss cycle and reaching consensus, which can be used to correct any noticed bias.

Note, however, that idealogical and political biases are subjective, so people with different worldviews can sincerely disagree about them. Generally, Misplaced Pages strives to present every subject using a neutral point of view, and aims for verifiability from reliable sources, not 'truth.' {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.241.39.117 (talk) 17:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

wikipedia has a clear bias in favor of the overriding views which arise from the specific set of humans who reside in the world and have empircial data arising from it. Sm8900 (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you mean "ideological"? Polar Apposite (talk) 17:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

how to make a wiki page for someone?

I'm trying to make a wiki page for someone JDHILLMAN6262 (talk) 15:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Your first article Polygnotus (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

And be aware that it won't be a "wiki page for someone"; arguably, there is no such thing. It will be an encyclopedia article about someone. And if it passes muster as an article here, virtually anybody will be able to come in and edit it. The edits might not be to your liking or to the liking of the subject of the article (supposing that the subject is still with us). But if the edits are relevant and well-supported in reliable sources, there won't be much either of you can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Userpage display title

Hello, Will My userpage display title work with Lower case letters? if it works give me an example! thanks 𝕸𝖆𝖑 𝕸𝖆𝖑𝖉𝖎𝖛𝖊 MAL MALDIVE (talk) 17:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@MAL MALDIVE No, I don't think so. I edited your Userpage in the displaytitle part to change it to "Mal Maldive" or "Mal maldive" or "mal maldive" and in each case on preview got an error message saying that this wouldn't work "as it is not equivalent to the actual title". The error message directed me to WP:DISPLAYTITLE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh! Ok then. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@MAL MALDIVE: It's possible to get the same effect with text-transform: lowercase. This works: {{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="color:#AAA9AD; font-weight:bold; font-family:Brush Script MT;">User:M<span style="text-transform: lowercase;">AL</span> M<span style="text-transform: lowercase;">ALDIVE</span></span>}}. Only use it in your own userspace and accept that you may miss pings if users try to type the username on your user page instead of copy-pasting it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

oh ok MAL MALDIVE (talk) 18:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Citing a radio programme whose URL will only last for a short time

I need to cite a segment of a BBC World Service programme from 16 Mar 2024, which will only remain available via the Web for another 23 days. The programme is currently available at:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172z37rvf2h7m5

How do I do this?

Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 17:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf: Use {{Cite episode}}. It doesn't matter that the programme will eventually not be available, but you might do better to use the URL https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w172z37rvf2h7m5 -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Is there no way to preserve access to the audio? Do any of the archiving mechanisms enable one to do this?

Thanks again. Misha Wolf (talk) 22:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I've now added the citation at the end of the 5th para of Jonathan Jacoby#Career. Please could someone tell me whether I got it right. Thanks!

PS: I'd still like to use a mechanism which makes the interview remain accessible, if such a mechanism is available. Misha Wolf (talk) 23:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

You can add an archive URL, like https://web.archive.org/web/20240316074330/https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172z37rvf2h7m5 CodeTalker (talk) 01:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@CodeTalker: - would that archive preserve the audio recording, or just the HTML page?--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it preserves the audio, but I'm not positive. Comparing the HTML for the original page against the archived copy, I can see that the archive has rewritten some of the HTML and in particular, where the original refers to files on the BBC web site (like javascript files and font files), the archive refers to corresponding files on archive.org, which have presumably been copied from the BBC site. However after a quick scan, I haven't located exactly where the audio file is accessed, either by the original or the archived copy. Given that the archive has copied at least some of the original files linked to the HTML, I would guess that it has copied all of them, but I can't confirm that definitively. CodeTalker (talk) 07:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Clicking on the Play button of the archived web page at the Wayback Machine seems to result in an endless spinning circle and no sound. :( Misha Wolf (talk) 12:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Trying again, I'm managing to get some short snippets of sound, but the playback soon stops, with the message "This content doesn't seem to be working.". Misha Wolf (talk) 12:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Examining the network requests made when accessing the page, it looks to me like the recording is transferred in multiple pieces which are then put back together for playback. Presumably, the Wayback Machine doesn't know how to handle that. Rummskartoffel 15:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 16:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Inclusion of presidents of an organization

It seems very common to have a listing of presidents or heads in the Misplaced Pages article about an organization. For example, National Organization for Women, John Birch Society, Argentine Olympic Committee, Football Federation of Belarus, Italian-American National Union, etc etc. Another user is insisting on removing a list of presidents that has been in an article for years, despite how common this seems to be. Is this covered by any guideline or manual of style? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

As always, the first question to ask is to what extent independent WP:RS consider it significant. That's how we determine the merits of including content in general. We don't have guidelines for applying standard practice to every specific question. That would be both unnecessary, and impossible. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@AndyTheGrump If I felt very strongly about the article in question, I'm sure I could find reliable sources that mention who the president is, but I doubt I could find significant coverage for the list as a whole, for this or almost any other article. It seems odd to me that these lists appear to be almost standard in articles about organizations but can be removed if anyone decides they don't like it. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 19:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I see you have already began discussions on the article talk page. If such discussions can't reach a consensus, you could try some form of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. What is unlikely to happen though is some sort of general agreement regarding whether articles on organisations must include a list of presidents. Misplaced Pages doesn't work like that, or at least, it isn't supposed to. We are supposed to base decisions regarding what content we include on how sources do it, and not on our own set of arbitrary rules. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

You can check Misplaced Pages:Lists for various guidance regarding lists although there are many other guidance that may be applicable to the discussion. I suggest not having the discussion in two places at the same time, plus the help desk is not an appropriate place to have content discussions, but rather guidance. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 21:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Thinker78 @AndyTheGrump I'm really not trying to have a content discussion here. I thought there might be a manual of style for organizations or something like that. Thanks for your answers. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 22:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Redirect

I am trying to remove the page link redirect for 'verticalscope'. I work for VerticalScope and we are not owned by Torstar. I created a page for VerticalScope and removed the redirect link, but it appears they were undone right away. Can you assist please? Msalernovscope (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Msalernovscope, I recommend that you create a draft for verticalscope; and once you think it's fit for publication, you submot it for review. If a reviewer accepts it, it'll be their job to deal with the redirect you refer to. I also recommend that such a draft should give its readers some idea of what it is that verticalscope sells to its customers. Maproom (talk) 20:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Msalernovscope: One of your edit summaries says "verticalscope is not part of torstar anymore". please remember that we are as interested in history as current affairs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Understood. I'm trying to make sure that people searching for VerticalScope don't end up on the torstar page. It's not currently relevant and is only historically relevant. Msalernovscope (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

To be frank, Misplaced Pages does not care whether people searching for something find only historical relevance. If VerticalScope meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about it; otherwise the redirect is appropriate.

Having said that: if you can find a reliable source that says that VerticalScope is no longer part of Torstar, you are welcome to make an edit request on Talk:Torstar recording that fact, and citing the source. Then at least the target of the redirection will clarify that this is no longer the case. ColinFine (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

how to edit/add info to Alexis M Herman's profile for accuracy.

the Alexis Herman profile box the article lists Kathryn O. Higgins as Deputy Secretary but omits Dr. Edward B. Montgomery who held the Deputy position 2000-2001. Higgins served 1997-1999 Curtainrriaw (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Curtainrriaw: Do you have a reliable source for that? If so, be bold! I've left some links, to guidance pages, on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Article Issue

Hi, I wanted to ask something. I have an article that I want to upload but when I go to create it, it says that it has been deleted a number of times. The article is just a battle I wanted to add, and it is not anything bad. Shall I upload it anyway or not? TakuyaYagami (talk) 19:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

TakuyaYagami this would depend on the article in question. An article may have been deleted for reasons unrelated to notability. What article are you trying to create? If you are unsure whether the topic should be included in English Misplaced Pages, you can start it as a draft. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I just checked, and it got deleted twice due to G5. Can i still try to make an article on it or not? I don't want to get in any trouble. Thanks. TakuyaYagami (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@TakuyaYagami Yes, the deletion was because the article was created by a blocked user. However, you are a newcomer and I strongly suggest you begin by improving existing articles first to get to know how things work here. If you are determined to go ahead, please read H:YFA and WP:BACKWARD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! TakuyaYagami (talk) 22:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Simple English vs. Misplaced Pages the 💕

For some unknown reason, the Misplaced Pages page I created ended up on Misplaced Pages Simple English. When I tried making another User Page with a different User ID in Misplaced Pages the 💕, that entry was deleted by the editors. I tried several times but each time it got deleted. Do you think it is because I already have a User Page on Misplaced Pages Simple English? The content of my page is similar to many other Misplaced Pages pages I have viewed for my academic colleagues. Thank you for your help. MichaelPietrusewskyJr (talk) 20:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@MichaelPietrusewskyJr Your global contributions show only the one edit here. I can only conclude that all your other edits have been removed by admins, including some you may have made on the Simple English project. Rules do differ by language version but the principles will be the same. As the messages on your Talk Page states, the expectation for UserPages here is that they will comply with WP:UPYES. Some latitude may be given for long-term editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

.... P.S. You do appear to exist on Wikidata, which is not unusual if you have published as an academic. Please do not try to create an autobiography, for the reasons explained at that link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@MichaelPietrusewskyJr Your user page here was deleted because it wasn't appropriate. I suggest you read the user page guidelines you have already been pointed to on your talk page. A user page is not an article, and should not be presented as if it is one. If your colleagues have actual Misplaced Pages articles written about them, that is (or should be) because they meet our notability standards, and cite the necessary independent sourcing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@MichaelPietrusewskyJr: Special:CentralAuth/MichaelPietrusewskyJr shows your account only has edits here at the English Misplaced Pages. Maybe Special:CentralAuth/MichaelPietrusewsky without "Jr" at the end is another account by you. It has edits at the Simple English Misplaced Pages, creating a page at simple:User:MichaelPietrusewsky. See simple:Misplaced Pages:User page for their guideline about user pages which has differences from our Misplaced Pages:User pages. Edits at the Simple English Misplaced Pages are unlikely to affect the treatment of your edits here. If you are trying to create an autobiography in our encyclopedia and not a user page for your account then see Misplaced Pages:Autobiography. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about removing false accusations

(refactored from Misplaced Pages talk:Administrative action review)

How to delete false accusations against any sexual activity or any remarks. 51.52.167.18 (talk) 21:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It's hard to answer you clearly, because you do not give any details (though I understand that there may be good reasons for this).

If there is a problem with an article about you or involving you, please see WP:ABOUTYOU.

If there is information which you think is wrong please open a discussion on the talk page of the relevant article.

If there is information which you think might be harmful or dangerous to somebody, please email the Oversight team: see WP:OVERSIGHT. ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

False accusations

Sexual abuse of a minor ! 51.52.167.18 (talk) 22:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

See my reply just above.

Note that my answer is all about material in Misplaced Pages. If your question is not about Misplaced Pages, then we cannot help here. - ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

March 23

How do I decide when to obey another editor?

Often an editor tells me to do something, or not to do something, but rarely, if ever, does the person tell me why I have to obey the person. The person doesn't show a badge (e.g. of being an admin) of some kind, or tell me tell me how it's the person's job to supervise me, or a particular page.

Is it whoever has more edits has more authority?

Do people who answer help requests on my talk page have more authority than a random editor? Are there ranks below admin who also must be obeyed?

Sometimes an editor will threaten me vaguely by saying "You might get blocked soon if you continue acting like this." How can I evaluate whether the threat/warning has been pulled out of thin air? Polar Apposite (talk) 06:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Usually you can just ask for more information. Don't think of it as "obeying", think of it as listening to a wise colleague who helps you. And be grateful for their help. They are not your enemy. Polygnotus (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite: It seems like you might misunderstand how Misplaced Pages is intended to work. Misplaced Pages is fundamentally a collaborative project, so (in theory) nobody has any more say than anybody else about anything. You, and everyone else, are not required to obey any particular people. This is not to say that you can do whatever you like, however – the community may, through consensus, create policies and guidelines outlining what is expected of every editor. Administrators do not create these policies on their own, and they are not the only people who are allowed to enforce the policies: everyone can, and many do, through actions like reverting edits (and the community as a whole can, again through consensus, even use measures such as bans). The community simply trusts administrators to have an excellent understanding of the policies, and so grants them the technical ability to enforce those policies through more potent means such as blocks and page protection. With that (hopefully) explained, I think it will be easier to answer your questions:

• No, nobody has any more authority than anyone else. There are plenty of people with a fairly limited number of edits who really know what they are doing, and likewise there are of course people with a large number of edits who have a poor understanding of policy.
• No and no, and your assumption that anyone has to obey administrators is also somewhat mistaken – you have to obey policies, not editors.
• Such editors will nearly always provide a link to a policy they believe you are violating. If, after reading that page, you agree that you were violating the policy, just stop doing that thing. If you disagree, you should discuss with that editor, and stop doing that thing in the meantime (that goes equally even if they don't mention blocks). There are sometimes really good reasons to ignore rules (not frequently, though) – in this case, again, discuss with the other editor(s), and stop in the meantime.

Tollens (talk) 07:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: Reading their talkpage, it may be wise to advise them to listen to everyone who gives them advice. Polygnotus (talk) 07:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Of course – I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Tollens (talk) 09:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Polar Apposite, you should obey any editor's advice to you when the editor is basing their advice on Policies and guidelines. You should be prepared to defend your edits against criticism based on those same policies and guidelines. Authority on Misplaced Pages derives from demonstrating understanding and knowledge of and participation in Misplaced Pages's broadest purposes. New editors with a narrow focus on a specific controversial topic area often have a difficult time on this website. Generalist editors motivated by the overall goal of improving this neutrally written encyclopedia tend to thrive on Misplaced Pages. Cullen328 (talk) 10:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm a generalist editor aren't I? I normally just do copyediting. So why am I getting attacked? Polar Apposite (talk) 17:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite: You are not getting attacked. People are trying to help you, even it doesn't feel that way. Listen to everyone who gives you advice. read this the rabbit knows whats up. Polygnotus (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Missing links?

A recent article about an Indian financial services company, Moneyview, was de-ophaned by creating links from dozens of other articles about Indian financial services companies, such as Atom Technologies, Freecharge and FundsIndia. These are all shown under "What link here" from Moneyview. But when I look at those other articles, I can't find Moneyview mentioned anywhere. Even viewing their source does not find that anywhere. Before I remove the Orphan tag, I would like to confirm that the links are genuine, but I can't even find them. Please put me out of my misery: what am I missing? Gronk Oz (talk) 07:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

In at least a couple of the "What links here" pages that I looked at, they are listed because they contain the {{Financial technology in India}} template (sometimes aliased as {{FinTech in India}}), which contains a link to MoneyView. CodeTalker (talk) 07:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @CodeTalker: - that makes perfect sense. And I'm a bit embarrassed that I didn't think of it. Is there a way to see what links there explicitly, rather than indirectly through that template?--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a checkbox "Hide links" on that page, that may help. I'm not sure what it does: (and Help:What links here doesn't seem to discuss it). it certainly suppresses all those links from the display, but I don't know if it removes genuine ones as well. ColinFine (talk) 10:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Gronk Oz a Misplaced Pages search for Moneyview gets three hits Financial technology in India, Piramal Group and of course Moneyview. TSventon (talk) 10:53, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Good thinking, TSventon, and again I'm a bit embarrassed that I didn't think of it. At least I learned something today!--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

New wikipedia Article creation

i am new into this and want to create a wikipedia article for one of my friend Dr. Mrs Shailesh Srivastava. Kindly guide me to create the same from start.

Thanks & Regards,

Neelam Dr. Shailesh Srivastava (talk) 10:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages.

I'm afraid there are quite a number of things I need to tell you before directly answering your question.

First, if you are not Srivastava, you must not use her name as your account name. All accounts are personal. You do not have to use your real name (I do, but many editors do not) but you must not use somebody else's name. Since you have made only this one edit, the simplest thing is to stop using the account and create a new one for yourself.

Secondly, creating a new article is one of the most challenging things for an editor to do. If you were starting to learn engineering, would you make your first project to build a car from scratch? If you took up a musical instrument, would you arrange a public recital as the first thing you did? No, you would practise on less demanding projects while you learnt the craft.
I would very strongly advise you that you will save yourself a great deal of frustration and disappointment if you forget about creating a new article for several months, while you gradually learn about how Misplaced Pages works (and most particularly about Verifiability, reliable sources, and Neutral point of view) by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles..

Next, creating an article about somebody you are friends with is regarded as editing with a conflict of interest. This is not forbidden, but it does introduce some difficulties, which make the task even harder.

When you get to the point where you think you are ready to try creating this article, you should read your first article as well as the links above. You should start by finding several independent reliable sources which contain significant coverage of her; because if you cannot find such sources, you will know that she does not at present meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, and there is no point in trying any further to create an article about her. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Avoiding an edit war

I've flagged a new article for deletion, mostly based on its lack of notability. The author is very unhappy about this and when I added the notability template, they deleted it. I think it needs to be there to show why this article is under consideration for deletion - another editor has also raised the issue - but I feel like if I revert the edit it will only escalate the problem. They've already reported me to ANI and have been commenting quite persistently.

Any advice how to proceed without entering into an endless back and forth? Orange sticker (talk) 12:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Since this is already being discussed at ANI, we don't need to do so here. Edit wars are avoided by not edit warring. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Orange sticker there is general advice on dealing with disputes at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. In this case there are discussions at AfD and ANI that may produce some advice. TSventon (talk) 14:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Can't find search box

Can you help me find the Search Box on the Main Page. It was there yesterday. 2604:2000:8FC0:B:25FC:46EC:E511:79E (talk) 14:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Click on the magnifying glass near the top right. Polygnotus (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

The full box disappears when the window is too narrow, leaving the magnifying glass. That's why it changed from day to day. -Arch dude (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Change info when page is blocked

Supernatural says there are 6 companion guides but there are 7 9781781161081 Tawrens (talk) 15:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Supernatural is not protected. If you are referring to another article, use its talk page to make an edit request(click for instructions). 331dot (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

From your previous edits, I'm guessing that this is about an article about Supernatural (American TV series), which is indeed semi-protected or an article about one of its seasons. As 331dot says, you can make an edit request. Be sure you can cite a reliable source.

(Incidentally - I couldn't work out what article you were talking about, and assumed that "Supernatural" was the name of another editor you are having a discussion with. 331dot guessed which article you meant, and I think they guessed wrong. Only by looking at your previous edits did I guess the article I think you meant. If you want people to help you, why do you make it difficult for them?) ColinFine (talk) 15:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

How does a user know they're blocked?

(Sorry, couldn't think where else to ask!)

When a user gets blocked, how do they know – do they get a notification? Does the user interface change somehow, or is there some other visual clue? Or do they just find out when they try to edit (something other than their own talk page) that they can't?

I'm assuming they can still log into their user account normally (and therefore get notifications etc.), even while blocked; or does something change in that respect?

TIA, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I am unsure of a full block, but I've ran into a issue with my work IP being blocked as an open proxy before so I can speak from that experience.

When an edit is attempted while on a blocked IP it pops up a message saying that your IP is blocked, who issued the block and why along with the time remaining on block, and how to possibly correct it.

Awshort (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

You could request a temporary block, find out, come back and tell us — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell you don't get notified until you try to edit something that you can't because of the block. There's an unresolved feature request saying you should get a notification, and its conventional when someone is blocked for the blocking admin to post it to their talk page. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, all.

Yeah, the talk page message would be quite an obvious clue (!), assuming of course the user isn't on a device affected by the WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU problem.

@Pppery, would you be happy to block me briefly, just so I can see what it's like, as Usedtobecool suggested? (No worries if you'd rather not, though.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: I've blocked you for five minutes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Pppery, appreciated!

I didn't get any notification, and nothing else obviously changed either. I remained logged into my account and could navigate around as normal. When I tried to use Twinkle it looked as if it would let me, although no doubt it would have actually refused to make the page edit. Only when I tried to edit a page (I edit via the source) it gave a very obvious message about being blocked, with a big warning sign on it.

Now I know. That's one thing off my bucket list! :) Thanks again, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, thanks for sharing. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) One other thing to note: Blocks were in the past subject to WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU issues. At one point the only was to communicate at all with an iOS app user was to create an abuse filter that disallowed all of their edits, and the error message was rendered as plaintext (Special:AbuseFilter/1139). I think all of the major issues with the apps and such have been resolved now and it is possible to communicate reasonably. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the extra info, @Pppery.

Part of the reason for my question was just idle curiosity. But I've also wondered why some users occasionally think they're blocked, when in fact they're not.

Now I'm off to find an 'I've been blocked' merit badge / user box somewhere... -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Seeing Pppery blocked DoubleGrazing pop on my watchlist certainly got my attention! S0091 (talk) 18:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they were discussing a matter, and BAM!! Clearly an involved action! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Should we take this to AN, ANI or AARV? S0091 (talk) 18:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

European Convention on Human Rights? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

In conjunction with the United Nations Human Rights Council. This needs global focus. S0091 (talk) 18:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't even bother anymore; the cabal is far too strong. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

And I'm not even in that category, although recent events show I clearly belong there. But it would be more pppery-like to nominate it for deletion (I'm just joking here, in truth it's a perfectly reasonable category as user categories go) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)For blocks: Generally you don't, unless you 1) do something the block prevents you from (In which case you'll see a message like MediaWiki:Blockedtext or MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-ipblocked), or 2) visit one of several special pages that display blocks, e.g. Special:contributions (only for direct account blocks and non-autoblock ip blocks), Special:BlockList (local blocks only, afaict its search form doesn't find autoblocks unless you enter its #blockid) or Special:CentralAuth (afaict doesn't find autoblocks). On some wiki's, including the english Misplaced Pages, there is also 3) via a potentially templated (template category) user talkpage notice (only direct, local blocks, not if WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU applies). Note that the talkpage notice is optional, LTA socks in particular usally won't get one. Blocks will not prevent you from logging in to Misplaced Pages, unless you attempt to log into a Wikimedia project where you have not local account yet, if your IP adress is blocked with account creation disabled. For completeness sake, if you account is locked on the other hand, you will learn it either 1) when you attempt to log in (it will display MediaWiki:Centralauth-login-error-locked, currently This account is globally locked. You will not be able to log in to any Wikimedia wikis. Please contact the stewards if you have any questions.) or 2) when you visit Special:CentralAuth or meta:Special:Contributions (will claim that the account doesn't exist if its actually supressed).

I personally have been accidentally blocked on other WMF wikis two times. Once I (by coincidence) did not try to edit until another admin noticed the mistaken block and lifted it. The other time I was using AWB on my alt account and triggered an abuse filter that blocked me, which triggered an alert from AWB itself saying the account was blocked and was quite a scary experience (I unblocked the alt account with my main account and continued the AWB run, careful not to trigger than warning again). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Page does not appear on Misplaced Pages

Hi! I wrote an entry about 7 months ago, but it does not appear as a Misplaced Pages entry. Why is this and what can I do to expedite the process? Psanoja (talk) 17:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, you only have two edits. One here and one creating your user page User:Psanoja. That is not a Misplaced Pages article. If you would like to make it such, you should move it to a draft and then nominate it at Articles for Creation. Lee Vilenski 17:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

You would also need to translate in into English. Theroadislong (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

And you would need to add inline citations to Reliable sources covering every single fact stated in the article, or else remove those facts.

You would benefit from studying Help:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:Writing Misplaced Pages articles backward, which is what you appear to have done. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.241.39.117 (talk) 18:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

My user page was deleted.

I asked a question about a wikipedia entry I had submitted for nomination two days ago. My user profile (User:Psanoja was deleted by an editor (orangemike). The draft I was working was deleted too. Can someone please explain why? Psanoja (talk) 21:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Please see #Page does not appear on Misplaced Pages above. ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

If Orangemike (an experienced editor) carried out these deletions, I would have expected him to have explained why to you directly: you can however ask him on his Talk page. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.241.39.117 (talk) 14:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Help with editing/making an article

Hello, Wikipedians! I recently turned the redirect List of capitals by continent into an article. However, I have only finished Africa, and request help finishing the rest. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 18:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Why would you need this when you could just sort List of national capitals? Lee Vilenski 19:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

March 24

Am I able to upload and use this PMC article's chart?

I want to use one of this article's chart to be able to visualize landings, however, I'm unsure if I am able to do so. It states under copyright and license information that, "This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Licence, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.", however, it also lists above it "Copyright: © 2016 Gonzalez-Pestana A et al." Does this mean I AM able to use the chart, given I cite, or that I am not allowed to because it is under copyright? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 00:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

You can use it, as long as you attribute it: it is explicitly licensed under (some form of) the CC-BY-SA licence, which is what Misplaced Pages uses. ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

23-24 Tranmere Rovers Season Biggest Home And Away Win

I’m Trying To Add The Biggest Home And Away Win Onto The 23-24 Tranmere Rovers Misplaced Pages Page But I’ve Never Edited A Misplaced Pages Page So Can You Give Some Advice Please. Thanks. TRFCwiki (talk) 12:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

First, you will need to change your username, as it can't be that of the club(even abbreviated). You may change it at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

And, please, stop capitalizing the first letter of every word! Acroterion (talk) 12:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Please see Help:Introduction. If you can find a reliable source to cite (and I presume you can}, then you can edit Tranmere Rovers to add the result, citing the source (see referencing for beginners).

But please note that Misplaced Pages maintains a neutral point of view. You may add the result, but you may not describe it as "the biggest home and away win ever" or anything like that, unless you are directly quoting an independent source (that you cite). Evaluative expressions like that should never occur in Misplaced Pages's voice. ColinFine (talk) 13:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@TRFCwiki: Hi there! You could also start a discussion on the article's talk page, Talk:2023–24 Tranmere Rovers F.C. season. If you are an employee of TRFC or have any other conflict of interest, you must disclose that information. You could provide the text you think should be added, along with your independent source, and ask a more experienced Wikipedian to add it for you. You could also try the Misplaced Pages:Edit Request Wizard if you like. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Repetitions caused by preceding a quote

I have maybe a little silly question, definitely a nit picky one; when I'm quoting someone, if the quote begins with the word that precedes the quote as in 'X felt it was best when "when whatever he felt was best"' should I be deleting the when inside the quote or outside? My instinct says one of them should go, especially per WP:LCM but I couldn't find further guidance and I'm not yet confident on my reading of the style guide. Ceervine (talk) 14:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ceervine: I try to keep as much of the quote as possible, so I'd delete the "when" outside the quote. I don't know if there is any guidance in the WP:Manual of Style on this. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ceervine General advice at MOS:QUOTE and the essay WP:Quote. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Guidance for handling spam on talk pages?

I undid some obvious spam on the talk page of an article (new section added with external IP address link, weird title mentioning invoices, edit made by unregistered user). I looked at a few of the WP help pages regarding spam and vandalism, and I still can't figure out if there is anything else I was supposed to do to handle it properly, or if just undoing the edit is fine. (The user does not appear to have made any additional edits.) KaiaVintr (talk) 15:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Talk:Rendering (computer graphics). Seems reasonable to me, put an edit summary would have been nice. Please always link to the page in question so that other editors can see what you've done and answer your question in an informed manner. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Sorry, about not including the link, I was just being extra cautious of unintentionally directing anyone to the spam link, since it could be malware. KaiaVintr (talk) 15:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@KaiaVintr If you notice an IP (or an account) has lots of ongoing spam/vandalism edits then as well as reverting them you can report them at WP:AIV to ask an admin for a block. Clearly there is little point if the spam was a one-off. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

What can I do when I don't have editing rights other than creating a topic on the talk page

Hi, I recently found what I believe is a mistake in the first figure in the article about lowest common ancestors (https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Lowest_common_ancestor.svg). I strongly believe it was a typo in the dot source code of the graph – the arrows all point in the wrong direction. I wanted to fix it, but I do not have editing rights. I created a topic on the talk page (Talk:Lowest common ancestor#There is a mistake in the first image in this article) two weeks ago explaining why the graph shows descendants instead of ancestors citing standard literature on the topic. I want to stress that I am sure the author who created the figure knows that as later in the article its correct – I really think this was just a typo. However, it should be fixed to not provide a misleading intuition about the concept.

Until now, nobody reacted, which might be normal but as I am new to this I wanted to ask. Also, is there anything else I could do like ping the author or so?

(Also, I suggested an undirected rooted tree could be an even better first image as it is the case most literature on the topic starts with before generalizing it to DAGs, e.g. directed trees. I do not have a strong opinion on that though.) This-is-sof (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@This-is-sof: Hi there! I see that commons:File talk:Lowest common ancestor.svg doesn't exist. What message did you receive when you tried to start a discussion?

Yes, you could try posting on commons:User talk:Qwertyus or User talk:Qwertyus, but the user hasn't been active since 2016.

You could also try posting on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Mathematics asking people to read your discussion at Talk:Lowest common ancestor#There is a mistake in the first image in this article and ask if someone would be willing to update the image if needed. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 16:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

No "move" option in my sandbox

I've had my account for over a year, and have made more than four edits.  But for some reason, I still don't see the option to "move" (i.e., publish a new article) from my sandbox.  Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Agrave13 (talk) 20:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

You need to have 10 edits, you only have 7. Even if you had enough edits, it is highly recommended that you use the draft submission process to first gain experience in having drafts accepted. I've added the information to allow you to do so. 331dot (talk) 21:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I was able to publish a draft for review. Two alerts seem to appear on it though. I appreciate the help! 2603:8001:7103:C66:3008:200A:FFD8:3183 (talk) 21:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the alerts are because you moved the draft into main article space when they AFC templates were already there. This is not normal: the idea of AFC is that you wait for a reviewer to look at the draft, and either accept it and move it to article space, or decline or reject it.

The alerts are drawing reviewers' attention to the fact that it was entered in the AFC process, but then moved, and so may need review.

It would probably be a good idea if somebody (@331dot ?) moved it to Draft space so it can await review in the normal manner. ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Officeholder table

Hello, so I wrote this officeholder table, but for some reason, the contents of "altofficeholder" won't show up.

List of chairmen of the Free German Youth

Long table showing the problem

No. Portrait Name Took office Left office Time in office Party Second Secretary First Secretary of the Central Council of the Free German Youth Erster Sekretär des Zentralrates der Freien Deutschen Jugend 1 Honecker, ErichErich Honecker (1912–1994) 7 March 1946 27 May 1955 (reached age limit) 9 years, 81 days SED Edith Baumann (1946–1949) Werner Felfe (1954–1957) 2 Namokel, KarlKarl Namokel (1927–1988) 27 May 1955 15 May 1959 (not re-elected) 3 years, 353 days SED Werner Felfe (1954–1957) 3 Schumann, HorstHorst Schumann (1924–1993) 15 May 1959 13 May 1967 (reached age limit) 7 years, 363 days SED Dieter Itzerott (1967–1971) Günther Jahn (1966–1967) 4 Jahn, GüntherGünther Jahn (1930–2015) 13 May 1967 9 January 1974 (reached age limit) 6 years, 241 days SED Dieter Itzerott (1967–1971) Wolfgang Herger (1971–1976) 5 Krenz, EgonEgon Krenz (born 1937) 9 January 1974 1 December 1983 9 years, 326 days SED Wolfgang Herger (1971–1976) Erich Postler (1976–1980) Eberhard Aurich (1980–1983) 6 Aurich, EberhardEberhard Aurich (born 1946) 1 December 1983 24 November 1989 (deposed) 5 years, 358 days SED Volker Voigt 7 Türkowsky, FrankFrank Türkowsky (born 1959) 24 November 1989 28 January 1990 (retired) 65 days SED 8 Schröder, BirgitBirgit Schröder (born 1965) 28 January 1990 17 March 1991 (retired) 1 year, 48 days PDS Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Maxwhollymoralground, according to the documentation in Template:Officeholder table, the parameter is called alt_officeholder. You appear to be using altofficeholder, without the underscore. --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thank you, it now shows, but the infobox is skewed. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 22:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Linking to a TV show transcript whose URL is not known

In Jonathan Jacoby, I'm referencing this episode of the Charlie Rose Show. The show's Web page has a "See Transcript" button for revealing the transcript of the show. I'd like to link to the transcript, in order to reference it, but no URL is shown for the transcript itself. In other words, it seems that one can only access the transcript by clicking on the button on the episode's Web page. Any suggestions? Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 21:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf: A stroll through the source code of the episode page shows that the transcript is at this page. However, the transcript page lacks the information that the episode page has (e.g., series name, episode name, date, Jonathan's last name) with no link to the episode page. Therefore, I suggest linking to the episode page. GoingBatty (talk) 22:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Are you referencing the episode or its transcript? Unless for some reason the transcript contains something you want to use that wasn't said on the show, I think what you're actually referencing is probably the episode and not the transcript, and therefore I'd say the episode and not just the transcript is what you should be linking to. Rummskartoffel 22:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, both. My problem is how to draw the attention of the reader to the content of the episode. I've created this Misplaced Pages article, about a person who has been, and is, playing a significant role in the US Jewish community, with a strong impact on attitudes towards the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. And then another editor has proposed deletion of the article, on the alleged grounds that the sources used are passing mentions. I think that some of the sources are, indeed, passing mentions and I do intend to get rid of them. Others, though, like the Charlie Rose Show episode are very much not passing mentions and I'm struggling to figure out how to make this clear in the article. I was thinking that if I could directly reference the transcript then any interested reader would see that this is really serious stuff, not some fluff. I'd very much appreciate any advice. Thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf Have you considered digging for WP:N sources here:? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

That looks very useful. Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm wondering whether it would be appropriate to use "cite episode" for the Charlie Rose Show reference, as "cite episode" accepts a "transcript" parameter, so allowing one to link to both the episode's Web page and to its transcript. I tried doing this but couldn't get it to work. Are there restrictions on targets of "cite episode" references? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 12:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Why was my user page deleted?

My user page (User:Schafesd) has vanished and is NOT in the deletion file. I DID search for it. Steven (talk) 22:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Schafesd Your account has never edited your user page, and you have no deleted edits to anything like a userpage. 331dot (talk) 22:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

For that matter, no one has ever edited your user page. Would it be the user page of a different account? 331dot (talk) 22:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Schafesd: It's optional to create a user page for an account. You haven't done it. The account works fine without it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Much thanks to all who replied and so quickly. I thought I had created a user page but must not have. The confusion is my own. Please close this query. Steven (talk) 22:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

March 25

Request to remove maintenance templates

Hi, I would greatly appreciate if someone could please review, and if satisfied, remove the maintenance templates on the following two articles: Vertiv and Redlands, Cremorne. I believe I have since improved both articles to meet the required standards. Armenshirazd (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Armenshirazd: Hi there! If you've resolved the issues, you may be bold and remove the maintenance templates yourself. If someone else disagrees, they can revert your edit(s), and then you can discuss on the article's talk page. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks GoingBatty, will do. Armenshirazd (talk) 03:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Armenshirazd Keep up the good work. You may be interested to read WP:SOLUTION: about a word that still appears ten times in Vertiv. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Mike Turnbull. Armenshirazd (talk) 23:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Reverts to bad versions

Perhaps someone could take a look at the editing history of Mark Geragos. A factual error has been restored no less than 25 times, for reasons that have nothing to do with actual content. The page has been repeatedly protected to keep the error in place. Anyone who knows about U.S. politics knows that a pardon would not have been requested on January 20, 2001. Rather, that seems to be the date it was granted, as it was Clinton's last day in office.

Next, take a look at the editing histories of Misplaced Pages:Guide to addressing bias and Misplaced Pages:Everything you need to know. Read the explanations given for these changes: Again, all of those reverts have nothing to do with actual content.

Now look at the editing history of Opioid epidemic in the United States. published its rebuttal to the 1980 letter suggests that there was something wrong with the letter itself. That was not the case; the problem was the way it was later misrepresented. The article about that letter makes that fairly clear, though a similar pattern of nonsensical reverts has occurred there also. See this explanation as to why the other version is better. 195.226.122.82 (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Football (Soccer) Personal Profile

Hi, Im writing my first Misplaced Pages article and i practiced in sandbox first, i created the artcile and using the template function added a personal fotball profile, it had such fields in it as Name, Age, Current club, Height, Weight, Clubs, Apperances and Goals...now im wrtiing the article ready for publishing and i want to add the same template, but its not there when i search for it, any suggestions, thanks ScouseMouse213 (talk) 03:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@ScouseMouse213: Feel free to post here at the Help desk OR at the Teahouse, but please don't ask the same question in both locations at the same time. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Jonah Duchowny is well short of meeting WP:NSPORTS. There needs to be significant coverage in reliable secondary sources.--♦IanMacM♦ 08:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Editing an item about the next General Election in the UK

I would like to add the Party name "Liberal Democrats" and the name of the candidate, "Mark Argent" to the item on the next General Election on the Huntingdon Constituency Page but I'm not sure how to do this.

The link is:-

Huntingdon (UK Parliament constituency)

MalcolmHilton (talk) 12:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@MalcolmHilton If you navigate to Huntingdon_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections and use the source editor you will see how his name is included in the table for the 2019 general election. You can copy the relevant bits to the table above provided you can also add a source that verifies he will be a candidate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Please be aware that until the calling of the election and the submission of the papers they are prospective parliamentary candidates. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much.

Will do. MalcolmHilton (talk) 16:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The problem I now have is that I can't see a way of adding a line to the table in order to include the details I want to add.

Although I can see all the other candidates' details there doesn't seem to be an option to add another one. It looks as though I can overwrite their details but I don't want to risk that - though it may be that the fields that are shown are just intended as examples and are actually editable. Would welcome advice on this point. MalcolmHilton (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@MalcolmHilton: See Help:Table. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@MalcolmHilton: I assume you're referring to the "Elections in the 2020s" table in the article. The easiest way to add a row, using the source editor, is to (1) click the "edit" link for the table, (2) copy the whole {{Election box candidate with party link}} template for one of the existing candidates and paste that where you want the new row to appear, either between the templates for two existing candidates or after the candidates but before {{Election box majority}}, (3) replace each field in the template, including the |url= field for a reference, with corresponding information about the new candidate, and (4) preview your edit to make sure you haven't messed anything up. Then click "Publish changes". Deor (talk) 00:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

need help, trying to get font typeface tag to work

i am trying to use this font tag to change type face, and nothing is changing., can anyone please help?

<span style="font-family: Consolas;"> 

please ping me if you reply. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 15:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Have you tried adding the closing tag </span> after your text to be formatted? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

hi. yes, but the opening tag is at the top of the page, and the closing tag is all at the way at the bottom, after all of the section headings. could that be the problem? Sm8900 (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

It might be. There is a hierarchy of elements in HTML: <span>s are within <p> elements, for example; so your span will get closed as soon as the parser meets the end of a higher-level element. HTML allows you to add a style= to almost any element, not just a span. ColinFine (talk) 15:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

ok.. err, lol it's working fine now. maybe I just needed to hit "purge cache"? oopsie. lol thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Victor Schmidt fixed it by using div instead 3 minutes before your post. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

ok thats great. thanks!! Sm8900 (talk) 18:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: What happens if that font is not available on the device a reader is using? It might be better to use the {{mono}} or {{code}} templates. For example, {{mono|This is in a monospaced font.}} produces This is in a monospaced font. There is alsi a corresponding {{monodiv}} template. Bazza 7 (talk) 20:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

wow, ok thats very useful. @Bazza 7, @PrimeHunter, @ColinFine, @Tenryuu, could you please point me to the help pages or manual of style, etc, where all of these items would appear?? I'll try to learn all of these methods. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: For various markup templates, see Category:Semantic markup templates and Category:Templates using TemplateStyles. As is often the case, these lists can be quite difficult to follow to find what you are looking for. Asking questions here, as you have discovered, can be productive when solutions prove elusive.

On the manual of style, see MOS:MARKUP, and its excellent advice about KISSing. Bazza 7 (talk) 20:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

excellent advice! and also KISS is a new acronym for me! all i knew of was fubar and snafu! lol well done! Sm8900 (talk) 20:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

You are free to choose fonts in your own userspace like User:Sm8900/items tasks. If a reader doesn't have the font then their browser will select another font they do have. Articles shouldn't set fonts per Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Font family. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The Flame (student publication)

Hello can you help me with trying to remove the Notability of this article page, I have already gather many sources but it remains challenging. Jeanneshi (talk) 17:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I think you mean "remove the notability tag". There are currently no independent reliable sources in the article that provide significant coverage of this publication.

Are you associated with this publication? 331dot (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The only way is to establish that the Flame meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability (most student newspapers don't) by showing where several people, wholly unconnected with it, have written at some length about it in reliable sources.

Evaluate every one of your sources against the golden rule: if a soue doesn't meet all the criteria in that, then it does not contribute to establishing notability. ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Is anyone allowed to comment on someone else's post on ANI?

I don't think everyone who has responded to my post on the ANI is an administrator. Am I allowed to give my two cents worth there in a thread someone else started? Polar Apposite (talk) 17:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there's no requirement to be an admin to respond to ANI posts. Jauerback/_dude. 17:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Google summary

How do I edit the little summary box that a Google search produces at the top right-hand side of the page of Google answers? Historiamanto (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

You'll have to ask Google; we don't have diddly-squat to do with that or any other of their features, even when they lean heavily upon us for answers. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Misplaced Pages" to indicate that particular text was copied from Misplaced Pages. An image and other text before or after the Misplaced Pages excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Misplaced Pages. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. See also: Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Change Page Title

Our organization changed names, but we don't have anyone who can change the title of the wikipedia page that represents our organization. Is there an admin who can help us? 24.214.127.10 (talk) 19:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

What typically matters is if the title of an article is the most common name for a topic, not necessarily the official or legal name(example, Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Blythe, his birth name which is a redirect). If you think the new name will be more prominent, you may make a request at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Not directly an answer, but please note that a Misplaced Pages article absolutely does not "represent" your organization. It is an encyclopaedia article about your organization, based on what independent sources say about you, not on what you want to say about you. If something happened that caused a lot of negative media attention about your organization, that would and should be covered in the article. ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Given all this, you you should try to show that the new name has become more common than the old name in multiple reliable sources (i.e., newspapers, etc.. If you can, then add a comment on the article's talk page and point to those sources, and then request a "move", which is what we call the title change. -Arch dude (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! For more information about making a request, see WP:Edit requests, or try the WP:Edit Request Wizard. Be sure to disclose your involvement with the organization, as it is a conflict of interest. Thanks for your interest in improving Misplaced Pages! GoingBatty (talk) 04:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Problem regarding archiving a talk page

I set ClueBot III to archive Talk:Las Vegas Strip using the template found on Help:Archiving a talk page. Even though the earliest thread was from 2005 and there's been about 50 since then,it's put most of them on one page. I assume that it's meant to spread them out to more than one, so I'm not sure what's gone wrong. Could someone have a look? KaraLG84 (talk) 23:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@KaraLG84: A new archive will start when it reaches the max size. You specified maxarchsize=75000 and the archive is now at 70199, so not quite big enough to start archive page 2. RudolfRed (talk) 01:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

March 26

My User Sandbox

I seem to have renamed or moved (or both) my own User Sandbox, which is not quite what I had in mind. i.e. User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox now redirects to User:WendlingCrusader/Vitry-le-Francois - Misplaced Pages which is a draft article that still requires work before I submit it.

Meanwhile I have 'lost' my original (empty) sandbox, and cannot begin work on anything else. Can this faux-pas be undone in any way?

This came about because frequently when editing one article, I cross-check information from a second article, only to find more editing is required on that second page. This in turn leads me to a third page, which I find has some editing flaws in it too. And so on.

I will try to give a live example; I looked at the Hawker Hurricane page, and thought there might be accuracy issues regarding which squadrons flew that aircraft type. This in turn took me to a number of RAF squadron pages, including one that clearly needed tidying up, and another that had mis-labelled one of it's pilots. As it happens, that pilot was notable enough to have his own page on Misplaced Pages, and that page also had issues. Suddenly I've got four editing projects on the go at the same time, and sometimes the same source answers questions on more than one of these pages.

What I was attempting was to create multiple sandboxes, allowing me to work on multiple drafts at the same time, giving me time to assemble all the various references & citations, checking & double-checking them, or waiting for a book to be delivered, or some free-time to visit a library. I didn't want to be rushed into hitting the 'publish' button, simply to allow me to start on the next project before I forgot what had attracted my attention in the first place.

But somewhere along the way I goofed up. So is it possible to go back to one original sandbox, without a redirect? Or better still a small selection of sandboxes, each with their own identifier? And is somebody going to suggest that I should only work on one article at a time, and quietly forget all the peripheral issues I invariably stumble across?

WendlingCrusader (talk) 00:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@WendlingCrusader: You should click on the link to your sandbox as provided, which will take you to the destination page. While there, click on the link in (Redirected from User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox). Once you're there just edit the page and remove the redirect. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply, but I fear it is more complicated than that.

From my user page, clicking on the sandbox link only takes me to this Redirect page

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox&redirect=no

It is headed User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox, but this page is only a stepping stone, not the sandbox itself.

Obviously when I click on the redirect, this second click now takes me to my revised sandbox, which right now is already populated with draft text for an article. So it takes me two clicks to reach a page that functions as my sandbox, but now has a different address.

However, if I manually enter the following into my browser, https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox, it takes me directly to my sandbox, complete with (Redirected from User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox) just as you describe. But I just cannot find a way to edit the page and remove the redirect.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 03:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I did it in this edit; you have to edit out the #REDIRECT. The edit links still work on the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Excess Wikilink query

Hello. I have a query about how often a word should be wikilinked in an article. I thought it was once, then not again, but after removing extra links from this article: List of German films of the 1970s they were all put back in again, with the editor saying they were needed to make the actors' names more searchable. The entire article is virtually blue. Just wanting to check if that is correct? I really enjoy removing excess wikilinks :-) BJCHK (talk) 02:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

BJCHK, MOS:REPEATLINK says Duplicate linking in stand-alone and embedded lists is permissible if it significantly aids the reader. This is most often the case when the list is presenting information that could just as aptly be formatted in a table, and is expected to be parsed for particular bits of data, not read from top to bottom., so I think the other editor is right. I am sure you can find excess wikilinks elsewhere. TSventon (talk) 02:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @TSventon - I'll keep looking for them BJCHK (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Present content

hi, I was wondering why, during women's history month, there is no emphasis on articles regarding'WOMEN'S HISTORY'??? How about it? 2601:14B:4901:E10:181A:F746:F17:213B (talk) 06:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

There is – see meta:Celebrate Women if you would like to participate. Tollens (talk) 06:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

List page name?

I would like to create an article listing, with prose accompaniment, the compositions of a jazz composer; no big deal, as there's a common naming scheme of "List of compositions by x" for these articles. However, I would like to also include a small section on works not composed by the subject, but which are worth mentioning (such as jazz standards popularized by them). What should I title the page? "List of compositions associated with X"? Or keep the normal title because the section would only be a small minority of the list content? Mach61 06:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Creating Personal Biographies on Misplaced Pages: Exploring Feasibility for Individuals without Media Coverage

Hello, I'm curious if it's possible for individuals to create their own biography or personal information page on Misplaced Pages. Specifically, if someone, like myself, lacks media coverage but possesses tangible evidence such as certificates, is it acceptable to create such a page? Ahmed Ghazanfar (talk) 07:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ahmed Ghazanfar: Unfortunately not. Misplaced Pages articles are required to demonstrate that there has been significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources – if that isn't the case, the article can't be written. Tollens (talk) 07:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a social media website, directory, or an indiscriminate collection of information. Remsense诉 07:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

How do I upload a non-free image

Hi, I've been trying to upload an image in wikimedia with a non-free license in wikitext format which is this; {{Non-free promotional}} OR {{Non-free biog-pic}} (I've tried both for the "license" part of the upload). But it just keeps saying "The wikitext you entered doesn't contain a valid license template." And then when I tried to get a roundabout at it and added that wikitext and a rationale after it's been uploaded, it automatically gets nominated for a Speedy deletion.

So the question is, How do I upload the non-free image for use in an article? Also, yes, I have checked that the image is adequate Turniner (talk) 07:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Replaced transcluded templates with template links. Tollens (talk) 07:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you do it via "Upload a non-free file" at WP:FUW? And what image for what article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

No I uploaded it at "Upload Wizard" directly, isn't that where images are supposed to be uploaded?. The article was Kyoya Honda Turniner (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@Turniner: It appears this relates to commons:File:Kyoya Honda.jpg for the article Kyoya Honda. Wikimedia Commons never allows non-free media files – you were probably looking to upload it here, which you can do via the File Upload Wizard. In this case, it appears you should not do so, however: WP:NFC#UULP lists Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images. under the "Unacceptable use" section. Tollens (talk) 07:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images.}} under the "Unacceptable use" section. No, there aren't any free images at all, that's why I was trying to upload one so that the article's infobox has the image of the subject, Which was Kyoya Turniner (talk) 07:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

That isn't what that says, though. It specifically says "taking a new free picture" – if someone was to take a new free picture it would indeed serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the image you uploaded at Commons. Tollens (talk) 08:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Except that's not the case, cuz there's NONE. Now how do I upload a non-free image for use, I already have the rationale Turniner (talk) 08:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I understand that there are none. That does not change the fact that somebody could photograph this person in the future and release the image under a free license. Images can be uploaded using the File Upload Wizard, but again, do not upload that image. If you do it will be tagged for speedy deletion. Tollens (talk) 08:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

In short, no non-free pics of living people. Unless they are in jail for the foreseeable future or something like that. If you want, you can try to contact him and suggest he "donates" a pic on Commons. It has to be done right though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

This reminds me of the endless debates for years at Talk: Kim Jong Un that basically said that North Korea was a hermit kingdom and that no freely licensed or public domain photos of the North Korean leader could possibly be taken, and so a non-free image was an acceptable exception to the rules. And then along came the summit meetings between Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump in 2018, documented by several US government photographers, whose work was immediately in the public domain. That uncontested fact obliterated the earlier arguments. Try to fully think through your argument first. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Sure, but the jail-thing still happens, like File:Lucy Letby mugshot.jpg. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Henry Bone

Please fix up the circa link I added on the first line of this article - it should have a "little-dots" -type line underneath it I think. Thanks 1.178.83.22 (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I used this: {{circa|1800}}, which renders as c. 1800. Maproom (talk) 08:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Use of the invisdible to others

Hello,

how can I use the translation tool without other people seeing what I have translated?

Kind regards Sarcelles (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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