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1497:Canon of Frauenburg
The current WP article refers of his son Andreas in the role of Augustianin canon of the Cathedral of Frauenburg. But the same charge took to Nicolaus, in 1497, when he was in Italy yet (source: Holmes Charles Nevers, Popular Astronomy, Vol. 24, p. 219, in SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS)).
The same information is also provided by Smith, David Eugene (July 1, 1917). "Medicine and Mathematics in the Sixteenth Century" (PDF). Ann Med Hist. 1 (2): 125–140. OCLC12650954. PMC7927718. PMID33943138. Archived (PDF) from the original on May 15, 2021. Retrieved July 15, 2021. (here cited p. 129). This book dates back to 1917 and is also an alternative source about the Copernicus' masters of mathematics and astronomy: Peuerbach, Regiomontanus, Domenico Maria, and Brudzewski. All of them are actually sourced by a unique monography (Dobrzycki and Hajdukiewicz (1969)). Regards, Theologian81sp
A monumental scandal
An enormous bulk of evidence about Copernicus having been ethnically German and of Polonising German topography has been "archived". The present article carefully avoids the terms German or Polish for the ethnicity of the man because the evidence is clear that he was German - with a German father and a German mother, who will have taught him the German and not the Polish language. And the article Polonises all place names in Prussia that got Polish names only in the 20th century, but misses out on Danzig. - A monumental scandal and a disgusting disgrace. 2001:9E8:25F:FD00:E9AB:E4CF:D944:B901 (talk) 23:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
No they don't it's not even a discussion. He was quite obviously ethnically German but wikipedia is leftist political propaganda at it's finest. This site truly has become a disgrace. 178.24.247.43 (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
The current article represents a hard-earned consensus, after monumental disruption by editors who aggressively espoused competing assertions of nationality. Please don't start that again. Acroterion(talk)19:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
We have been through this. Several times. There are definitive arguments for Copernicus being a loyal subject of the Polish crown in territory ultimately subject to the Polish king - which is a good definition of being Polish. There is the definitive argument of Copernicus subscribing to the German Natio in Bologna and his suriving works in German (and Latin). The rest is more or less speculation (some more, some less). We DO know that this debate runs over centuries now, and finding a consensus here took a decade or two. Just accept him to be in the heritage of both nations, at best a connecting rather then a dividing aspect of history. ASchudak (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
He was Half-Polish by birth, German in name, but he lived in Poland, it half because Lived in Poland+Half polsh= Half Polish, and German in name+Half German=Half German Crainsaw (talk) 09:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
NO. What's that even supposed to mean? By birth? He was born in a German family in a German build, German inhabited city. You people are insane. 178.24.247.43 (talk) 11:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
The definition of leftist isn't anything you happen to disagree with. In fact, the view of Copernicus as Polish is popular with the Right in Eastern Europe. TFD (talk) 12:02, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
This is nonsense. His father Mikołaj Kopernik, after whom Copernicus got his name and surname, was a Pole from Kraków, his mother Barbara Watzenrode was a German from Toruń. Copernicus himself was born in Polish Prussia, spent his childhood there, then graduated from the Kraków Academy and later several other European universities, then returned to Poland and actively fought against the germanization of Prussia by the German Teutonic Order. He took part in the Polish-Teutonic War of 1519–1521 on the side of Poland. You can't make a full German out of him, no matter how much you want to, don't rewrite history. Utryss (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
>"This is nonsense."
Is it necessary to start your contribution this way? You could simply present your source. Especially when...
>"His father Mikołaj Kopernik, after whom Copernicus got his name and surname, was a Pole from Kraków"
... makes these sources obligatory. The problem is that there is no primary source that can confirm this, just speculation from various scholars, who often have their bias - unless I am mistaken and new evidence was unveiled. Coming from Krakow is no proof of cultural heritage with around 20% Germans there at that time.
There is not much that we DO know for sure, and I already listed it. It is insufficient to decide one way or the other, and Misplaced Pages can but record it this way.
Both Poland and Germany had multicultural states on their territory back around 1500, with cultural Poles living in Germany and cultural Germans in Poland - a status that creates many people in between and that continues one way or the other since today. If anything, Copernicus ambiguity in that regard embodies this bond. ASchudak (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
The HRE, the Empire, covered Frisians, French, Italian, Danish and many Slavian areas. There were also many German areas outside of it.
The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth included, beside Germans and Hungarians, a multitude of Slavic cultures from the Baltics through Ruthenia to the Black Sea. ASchudak (talk) 06:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Why does this article have a section named Controversy?
I think the subsection labeled Controversy, is unclear. Take Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilei, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, Charles Darwin. All these scientists had controversies during their lives. They don't have a dedicated section for those. This has a peculiar feel to it. It should be labeled Controversies during lifetime, or smth similar. There's no controversy about geocentrism. Gamma1138 (talk) 10:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Because he´s german. Just see the discussion above. Every German knows that "Nicolaus Copernicus" was born Niklas Koppernigk (a Name not even revealed in this shoddy english article), was definitely German, spoke only german and latin, but the poles just love to get their sticky little fingers on him, because his place of birth happens to be in todays poland (courtesy of Stalin). This is simply an exit "strategy" if the polonisation fails - then a negative narrative like "Controversy" helps to decry the "f###### german". After all, it is widely en vouge in en:wp and the rest of the world to shit on the germans. ;-) 217.80.147.36 (talk) 20:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Actually Galileo has two different sections called "Controversy over...". He and Copernicus are probably the two most controversial big scientic names. Were Newton and Leibniz actually controversial? Darwin's "controversy" is largely a myth of science, when examined closely. In science his theories were accepted smoothly and rapidly. Johnbod (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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In "Predecessors", the blue link On the revolutions sends the user to De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (1543). It is the wrong book. On the revolutions is the translation of De revolutionibus coelestium which is signed and sent to the Pope in 1536 (7 years before De revolutionibus orbium coelestium) Wakhan34 (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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