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Fix it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/National_Revolutionary_Party_(South_Korea,_2021)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Democratic_Labor_Party_(South_Korea)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/New_Progressive_Party_(South_Korea)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Labor_Party_(South_Korea)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Unified_Progressive_Party (i forgot it)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Liberty_Unification_Party Rodionov Erel (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

First, hi, and second, fix what? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 17:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, well, like you did how editing Korean other party pages the same you did Rodionov Erel (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I do know that there are many that need standardising, as I'm going through them by ideology :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 17:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm on it :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Seat changes in infobox

Hello. The seat change figure in the infobox is compared to the previous election, not seats before. I would strongly advise not using the seats before parameter as it confuses people into making these changes. Cheers, Number 57 16:23, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

It does? The reason I'm doing so is that it isn't something many readers will know, and can rarely be found, unless you look on the incoming/outgoing members of parliaments and assemblies, even then they might not have the figures, which might only be found on other lang. Wikipedias (also, what it the plural for Misplaced Pages?). ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

It's confused you into making the changes to the seat change figures. If you want to include it in the article, usually it is done by having a table of contesting parties and their result in the previous election and seat numbers going into this one (like this). Number 57 16:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I see now. The reason I started is because a couple of parl. elecs. in South Korea had the "seat_before" paras. I'll start adding that table to pages. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:34, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Has anyone thought about creating a temp. or few to simplify the table on the link you provided above? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:41, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of. Number 57 16:52, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm surprised (though, going by what you have said to me since I've been here, that doesn't surprise me). I suppose I'll look to see if something can be created along the lines similar to the "Election results" temp. in my sandbox. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 17:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I've changed the table on this page to include before and after seats. I haven't included votes because Const. and PR would be a bit much. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:08, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Please stop hitting the undo button. Redirects should be avoided where they are unnecessary. Number 57 17:56, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Hold on. I've seen links to LEON Entertainment and Gaon Chart, when they were renamed to Kakao M and Circle Chart, respectively. These are all redirects, but haven't been changed. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 14:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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South Korean liberal and conservative

Foreign policy is the traditional criterion for dividing left and right in South Korea. Cultural policy is not really a major issue in South Korean politics. LGBTQ civil rights activists in South Korea say that both are socially conservative parties by U.S. political standards. Mureungdowon (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

The liberal camp and the conservative camp are divided depending on how much they oppose Japanese imperialism and how much they aim for pacifism on the Korean Peninsula. South Korean politics is polarized, which is mainly about whether to conform to the great powers or show them resistance-nationalism. The DPK average is more culturally liberal than the PPP, but conservatives in are more culturally conservative than moderates in the PPP. Mureungdowon (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry. I understand what you've said, as I've read the article before. My issue is with whether or not "National liberalism" should be in the infobox, as national liberalism is what sets SK liberals apart from liberals in other countries, which is why "Liberalism (South Korean) is there, rather than "Liberalism", which the latter denotes that it isn't different from other countries. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 15:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Infobox election upgrades

FYI, you can now use {{party color}} in {{Infobox election}} to call colours, rather than having to hardcode the hex code – see e.g. here. Cheers, Number 57 01:04, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I saw your convo. about it yesterday (not to sound like a stalker) :) I'm thankful that now I can do what I thought should've been implemented a long time ago :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 14:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello

My apologies for being this forthright. Please stop changing the LDP related details (colors, predecessor parties). The reasons of which I have stated in change logs ad nauseam. I’ll repeat them here for one last time:

1. The Misplaced Pages across different language (including both English & Japanese), have used the color green to represent the LDP. This applies in graphs, charts, maps, etc. The LDP itself uses several colors in its branding. The LDP’s historical main rival DPJ (before its merger into the Minshinto) used the color red prominently.

2. The LDP was a merger of the Liberal & the Democratic parties in 1955. These two parties still represents a clear ideological division within the LDP today: 保守本流 & 保守傍流. LDP didn’t became a new parties in 2017. Those other parties you named as predecessors” were all short-lived splinter groups usually centered around a single personality. I don't believe it’s appropriate to list them alongside the LDP’s true predecessors.

I’d like to understand your stalwartness of these changes (I haven’t received any answers so far).

If you really insist on changing the colors, be my guest. Don’t stop there. Do it for every article & election, every graph and map, for every language.

Best regards 沁水湾 (talk) 22:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

By your logic, if a party changed colour before an election, you wouldn't change the colour of the party for the election, nor in the infobox. DPJ hasn't existed since 2016, nearly eight years. For example, there is {{party color|Grand National Party (2017)}} to denote that the party from 1997 to 2004 was dark blue, rather than sky blue in its latter years before it was renamed Saenuri. Yes, I understand that the LDP was a merger of two parties, but other parties have merged into it, like with the DPK. In addition, other lang. Misplaced Pages don't have our colours, like South Korean parties. Not everything is aligned when it comes to info nor colours. If you feel like escalating it further, be my guest. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

In addition, it's best to leave the edits before reverting until the situation has been resolved. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

1. The problem is the LDP hasn't changed its color. It has always used multiple branding colors. Japan’s political colors aren't as crystallized as say the UK.

2. I’m sorry but you clearly don't understand Japanese politics. The LDP didn't become a new party in 2017. When a new party is formed in Japan, there would be a 結党大会. Nothing much happened in 2017 concerning the LDP. The LDP is the constant. Other so-called parties are often shorter splinter groups. Take the three you choose to list as “2017 LDP’s predecessor” for example:

The New Conservative Party for example was the rump pro-coalition faction of Ozawa Ichiro’s first Liberal Party that refused to leave the coalition with Ozawa. The Liberal party itself was a rump successor of Shinshinto, which itself was an amalgamation of various opposition parties along with LDP splinters.

There are countless splinter groups like this since 1955. Their existence has more to do with Japan’s campaign finance law. Listing them alongside the two big parties that merged into the LDP was like saying the US Democratic Party was a merger of the Jacksonian faction of Democratic Republican & the Connecticut for Lieberman Party.

Please reverse your changes. Thanks 沁水湾 (talk) 01:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

1. The party has changed colour, as there is a source for the colour red. In addition, the party's website is red too. If you are so confident that the party hasn't changed colour, please provide a source since 2017.

1. I never said that the party was new in 2017. I said that to express that a party has changed colour, we add the year it changed colour to the political party colour module.

1. Splinter parties that have merged back into it are also expressed in the parametre, like with DPK in South Korea where a couple of splinter parties merged back into it, i.e. Open Democratic Party.

ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 10:00, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding the reverting of your change on the Estonian election. If you want to change the infoboxes, it's usually a good idea to do the whole series of articles in one go, as editors often revert on the basis of inconsistency if you only do one. Cheers, Number 57 20:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Party colours

It is you the one who has come here mass replacing colours that have been well-established across Misplaced Pages for over a decade. The last thing you should do is to come over anyone else's talk page and issue threats of bringing admin intervention. Do so and I'll ask for a block on you for 1) reckless editing without any consensus + 2) being so rude when someone disagrees with your edits and by engaging in edit warring. Your changes affect many articles across Misplaced Pages and some of these would involve changes in charts, graphics, maps and so on. The first thing you'd do when you are contested would be to seek consensus, not your current behaviour, which is quite disappointing. Cheers. Impru20 21:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:BRD, WP:CONSENSUS and well, Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines before throwing rants like these on my talk page again. I am pleased to hear other people's arguments and positions, but not in this patronizing way. Once again: it is you seeking to mass-change current established consensus, the onus is on you to seek a new consensus for these changes. Colours like that for the People's Party (Spain) are well established and are not going to change just because you feel like this some day or the other. Impru20 21:22, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

All election articles using colours you unilaterally changed are going to be affected. That's dozens, hundreds or even thousands of articles, depending on the party. Once again, you are changing those colours unilaterally without any consensus just because you feel like it, doing so in a massive manner and threatening me just for disagreeing with you. That's bullish, and that you are concerned because of me answering you with "cheers" and not with your own behaviour is concerning. Impru20 21:24, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

No, you are not going to do so. You must seek consensus for your changes. You are applying massive changes and you are doing so caring nothing for anyone else's thoughts. About Number 57's stance, I don't know on his motives, you surely can ask him, but you should be noted that punctual, justified changes are nice. You are mass replacing colours across a wide number of countries affecting a massive number of articles, and that your only justification so far is "hey, this guy does this as well" is (with all due respect) lame. You are aware that your changes are much more profound and large in scale than those done by other users, to the point you are actively changing these colours in the party's articles, without even caring to consult anyone whether there was a consensus in place for those colours in those parties. We cannot change party colours based on each Misplaced Pages user's personal preferences or else we would never stop changing those. Impru20 21:29, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, maybe because it's a Saturday night and I'm not an omnipresent god. I've not reverted all of your edits either since I don't have the time to do that one by one, much less to review all of the changes conducted by all the people throughout the years. I spotted your edits since those affected articles I typically edit and I came across these, I saw these were massive in scope and not isolated nor minor changes and I intervened to warn you on that. Now, could you maybe take a look to everything else I said instead of looking for other culprits to blame for your own responsibility? Impru20 21:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

No other user has attempted such a massive replacement of colours across multiple modules and multiple countries before, so I don't think you can really compare isolated changes (which can be even justified) with your edits that are seemingly motivated to right a great wrong you seemingly perceive there is with the colours of a large number of parties. Edits at your scale would require a justification, a discussion and a likely consensus, none of which you have even cared to provide (just a threat to myself for reverting your edits).

This said, I'm not saying that all of your edits are unjustified: I'm aware some of these are, because some of these affect to specific cases I know about. Maybe there is a reasoning behind some of these that could make them necessary. We cannot know since you are not pursuing a case-by-case analysis but a massive replacement, disregarding motives or reasonings. Impru20 21:55, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Excuse me, what? What does have that question to do with the discussion at hand? Impru20 22:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the above. Also, here you added a color that does not exist. (And please answer edits on this page to keep the discussion in one place). Sjö (talk) 06:52, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Sjö: - That's because Impru20 reverted my edits on various modules. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:26, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

And? Reverting any edit is perfectly legitimate. In this case, they were conducted so as to show a disagreement with undiscussed and unjustified edits that aimed to change a previous status quo version of the modules. These reverts were explained and justified. Check WP:BRD and WP:REV. What you did (re-reverting those reverts several times without even providing an edit summary –thus risking an edit war over the issue– and threatening to bring admin intervention because of a failure to accept that your edits were being contested) was unacceptable. You should have expected opposition to your edits, considering that those consisted in massive replacements of some well-established colours around here. Impru20 11:45, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

...I was just telling him that you reverted my edits. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Please just stop with the constant colour changes. It is making things far more complex than they need to be, and in many cases I am not even sure whether it is real or simply made up by yourself. Number 57 19:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Number 57: I get the hex colours from logos. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Which logos did you use for all the South Korean parties you claimed changed colours in the 1950s and 1960s? And seriously, the Icelandic Social Democrats having a very slightly different shade of red in their new logo does not mean having to create a new party colour row. Number 57 19:20, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Some are from Namu. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:25, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

The site you asked about using and I said you shouldn't use other wikis? If you don't stop this, I am going to request you be blocked from editing in module space to stop you editing the colours. Number 57 21:09, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Fine. I'll stop. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Number 57: So... it's okay that a party's colour isn't the right colour for an election? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

What's the "right" colour? A website or election poster having a slightly different shade of blue or red for the party than the shade shown in Misplaced Pages means that the colour at use here is wrong? It took quite some time for me to explain you the rationale behind Misplaced Pages colours at Talk:People's Party (Spain)#Party colour, and I thought you'd have learnt from that, yet you keep exhibiting the same behaviour over and over and over again with colours for parties in other countries. Frankly, I dunno what to do from here. Impru20 21:30, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I was actually messaging Number. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Impru20: I'm referring to La France Insoumise. Number reverted my edit to the a module, as LFI never used purple before 2023, and I changed it so it would show the colour it previously used and the one it does now. However, since Number reverted my edit, purple is now attributed to the 2017 election, even though it didn't use purple then. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

You said above that you would stop, yet you are still messing around with colours constantly. Is it going to take a block to make you stop? Number 57 20:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Stop messing with the colour templates at once. You stated here that you would stop doing this after multiple users warned you over here and in the module pages themselves, yet you have kept doing it despite Number 57's above message on 16 March 2023, with no response or action on your part. I agree that either a block or a general ban for editing these modules should be required if you continue with this behaviour. The amount of work it will require to review every one of your changes to check whether those should have proceeded is almost undeterminable. Impru20 10:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I was trying to restore the orange that was used for "Liberal Alliance", as the colour in the module used to be orange, but has seemingly been forgotten. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

You just added a color (cream) to Swedish People's Party of Finland, which is not official, so I removed it. See the party's "brand book" linked in my edit comment. You really should check before making changes! --Janke | Talk 09:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Janke: The reason I added it is because of the colour for the party in the module. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 12:21, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

As you are still creating problems, please consider this a final warning. If you do not stop messing about with party colours, I will be requesting you be blocked indefinitely from module space. Number 57 16:18, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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@DaniloDaysOfOurLives: Thank you, but I have to decline. As I have other priorities, I can't devote my time towards it :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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Bhutan election infoboxes

There's no reason the Bhutan election pages have to have the simplified infobox. Most legislative elections use the version with pictures and more details, and the Bhutan ones have used them like that without any issue for ages. The template guidelines state "For legislative elections with many parties, consider using

instead." As the Bhutan elections do not have many parties there's no need to use that template. In the example for legislative elections on the page, it's the regular template.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Infobox_election Jnoubi75 (talk) 00:06, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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Democratic Alliance of Korea

Officially, Democratic Alliance has 14 members as of today, and you can find the official numbers hear . Thanks. :) Direct700 (talk) 03:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for providing me the link :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 09:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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United Right (Poland)

Hi, I have just undo your recent edit at United Right (Poland). There does not exist any political entity under the name of Zjednoczona Prawica (United Right) in Poland currently. Please read the sentence carefully:

The United Right (Polish: Zjednoczona Prawica, initially Fair Poland, Polish: Sprawiedliwa Polska) was a parliamentary group formed by Jarosław Gowin and Zbigniew Ziobro with their respective parties, Poland Together and United Poland.

Currently there is no parliamentary club or caucus named "United Right" (see Sejm and Senate websites). This sentence refers to the past parliamentary club present in the 7th Sejm (see Sejm website), which existed separately of the Law and Justice. Next sentence of the lead describes the current usage of the label "United Right" in Polish politics:

After their cooperation at 2015 Polish parliamentary election with the Law and Justice party, 'United Right' became a media label for the ruling right-wing political alliance of Law and Justice with its aforementioned partners in Poland.

That's all. Please discuss future changes in this matter. -- Antoni12345 (talk) 07:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Understood. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 15:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

South Korean infobox totals

I think this is misleading, as it suggests the Basic Income Party and Transition Korea ran in the election, but they did not – they simply had candidates within the DPK list. This sort of thing regularly happens in Israeli elections and we do not include the parties not running independently in the infobox.

I have suggested some alternative infobox layouts on the talk page of the 2024 election which differentiate between simply showing the alliance as a whole, listing all parties individually, or grouping parties in an alliance. It would be best to agree on a consistent method. Cheers, Number 57 15:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay :) To be honest, it does come across as quite an issue. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 15:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)