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According to First Lady of the United States, Chelsea Clinton filled in for Hillary Clinton in this role at some point. It's not mentioned here in this article, though, and I know nothing about it. Should this article be in Category:U.S. First Ladies? Bryan 07:10, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I believe it should not. A period of 17 days does not warrant a listing in a category with some of the others. Seems to be more of a "misc trivia" than anything else Nick Catalano 08:02, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It should be mentioned on this discussion page, though, that "First Lady," is a style, not an office, title, rank, or station; the official title is "White House Hostess." The above referenced article cites many Presidential wives who have held the Hostess role, but also daughters and friends of Presidents. Also, doubtless, Chelsea attended functions in her own right, and thus served as a Hostess. I don't think the 17 day limitation is a big deal here....I would like to know more about her life post White House (i.e. how well did she do at University? Life at McKinsey?) Isotopephd 00:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Chelsea Clinton wrote a piece for Talk magazine about her experiences in New York City on Sept. 11. Here are some quotes:

"... I even resent the theory that America's arrogance, even indirectly, led to the attacks".

"I was expounding on the detriments of Bush's tax cut...."

"I stopped berating the tax cut and started praying that the president would rise to lead us. And I thanked God my mother was a senator representing New York ..."

Would it be appropriate to add here a mention of the extremely crass "White House Dog" joke Rush Limbaugh pulled on his TV show? I believe she was aged 13 at the time.

Short answer: no. --Nlu 05:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

It should be mentioned in the Rush Limbaugh article, but those editors have sent it down the memory hole. You can read their discussions about it at Talk:Rush_Limbaugh/Archive1. Wasted Time R 13:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The claim that the "joke" was supposedly an error cannot be taken at face value. The show was aired several hours after it taped. Had it really been an error, he would have removed it from the airing of the show. --Asbl 15:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Nope. In order to take something out of the program, something would have had to be put in to replace it. And how much of the error do they take out? A couple seconds? The entire segment? Rush did not do retakes and the show was aired only a matter of hours after it was taped. There was NO time to take anything out. Rush's show was aired as is. Mistakes and all. A light blows. It stayed. Flies flying around the studio, it stayed. The behind the scenes guy who made this mistake, thiswasnot his first, but his third and worst one. He was fired, and he went on to produce a short lived tv talk show.

The problem with such a "theory" is that without the picture of Chelsea, there's no joke. Rush says "White House dog", and he was supposed to show a picture of...what, exactly? --24.184.72.20 02:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Jenna and Barbara

Has Chelsea Clinton ever met Jenna and Barbara Bush, the twins? Just wondering. 204.52.215.107 18:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Another Saturday Night Live Moment

I just wanted to point out another semi-controversial SNL skit. I believe Madonna was host or musical guest and sang "Happy Birthday" to Phil Hartman's president Clinton in parody of Marilyn Monroe's serenade of JFK. From what I remember, Madonna winks towards the balcony box where the Clinton's are sitting, Hartman points to himself and Madonna shakes her head. The actress portraying Hillary does the same and once again, Madonna shakes her head, then mouths the words "not you, her," pointing towards Julia Sweeney who plays Chelsea. I remember the skit sparking a minor controversy at the time.

Did Rush Limbaugh make a tasteless joke about Chelsea Clinton?

I have removed the following:

In 1993, when Chelsea was still in braces, Rush Limbaugh said the following: "Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat; Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?" He then pointed to a video monitor, which switched to a picture of Chelsea. Although Limbaugh has claimed that it was a technical error, as Al Franken documented in his book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, since the show was on a tape delay, if it truly was a technical error, it could have been corrected prior to airing of the show. In addition, the joke would not have made sense if Limbaugh had not intended for Chelsea's photo to appear on screen, as the White House had no dog. (Buddy did not join the Clinton family until a few years later.)

For the reason that it is completely FALSE.

The following is true: "On November 6, 1992, three days after her father won the elections, in a reference to who is moving in and out of White House, Limbaugh made a reference to Chelsea and Millie, the dog of outgoing President George H. W. Bush. At the moment where Limbaugh said "cute kid," the picture of Millie appeared onscreen. Limbaugh apologized during that show and gave a more lengthy apology a few days later. "

Here is the (partial) transcript:

RUSH LIMBAUGH

SHOW: RUSH LIMBAUGH (9:00 PM ET)

November 6, 1992, Friday 11:15 AM

LIMBAUGH: Thank you. This show's era of dominant influence is just beginning. We are now the sole voice of sanity, the sole voice of reason. We are the sole voice of opposition on all television. This is the only place you can tune to to get the truth of the opposition of the one-party dictatorial government that now will soon run America. Oh, I mean, we are only beginning to enjoy dominance and prosperity. Most of these things on the in-out list are not even funny, but a couple of them--one of them in particular is.

David Hinckley of--of the New York Daily News wrote this, and what he has--he's got--it's very strange. He says, In: A cute kid in the White House. Out: Cute dog in the White House.' Could--could we see the cute kid? Let's take a look at--see who is the cute kid in the White House.

(A picture is shown of Millie the dog)

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) No, no, no. That's not the kid.

(Picture shown of Chelsea Clinton)

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) That's--that's the kid. We're trying to...

Now, after this incident, Rush swore off mentioning Chelsea on his show ever again (at least in a negative way and unless Chelsea made a bit of news that was too big not to be mentioned). Rush certainly did NOT go on about Chelsea for a second time in 1993 to compare her to a dog! That quote is phony. It was invented out of the mind of columnist Molly Ivins. (in a Arizona Republic 10/17/93 article which is why some people are putting that fictious quote in 1993)

Note that the person who inserted the phony info, had the proper date for the correct incident, but only an unambiguous "1993" for the phony incident. Citing no specific date.

"if it truly was a technical error, it could have been corrected prior to airing of the show."

"In addition, the joke would not have made sense if Limbaugh had not intended for Chelsea's photo to appear on screen, as the White House had no dog. (Buddy did not join the Clinton family until a few years later.) "

This is assuming that Rush had made that tasteless joke in 1993. Which he hadnt, not in 1993 or at any other time.

In November 1992, he was doing a comparison of IN/OUT lists that were appearing in newspaper and magazine columns at the time. There were dozens of them. Rush was noting the bias of these lists as well.(he pointed out how many time he was on the "out" lists" and how many democrats,l ike the clintons, were on the "in" lists.)

Transcript: "Most of these things on the in-out list are not even funny, but a couple of them--one of them in particular is.

(A picture is shown of Millie the dog)

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) No, no, no. That's not the kid.

(Picture shown of Chelsea Clinton)

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) That's--that's the kid. We're trying to..."

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.139.23.50 (talk • contribs) .

Please cite that the 1993 incidenct is false. --Asbl 19:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Please cite that the incident is false? I thought I already did on this page ! And the burden of proof is upon Rush's accusers. NO ONE can prove a negative. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.139.23.50 (talk • contribs) .

If you can cite that Limbaugh denied the incident ever took place, we can add it to the article. The only reason to remove the paragraph would be if the accusers withdrew the statements. --Asbl 19:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Limbaugh has never denied the (correct) Nov. 1992 incident took place. He has never spoken about the false incident attributed to him in 1993, as far as I know.

In that case, we definitely have to keep the paragraph, as you are the only one who claims that the incident never took place. Misplaced Pages requires verifyability --Asbl 20:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

"verifiabillity"? What kind of verifiabillity did the person who originally posted the (phony) info give? Does he/she have a statement from Limbaugh admitting the (phony) version of events? A transcript? A video clip??? Rush's show was viewed by millions (Myself included) Where are the eyewitnesses? I never missed a show. If I couldnt watch it due to the time (it changed around alot), I taped it. I certainly did NOT see any such incident take place (I saw the Nov. 1992 incident take place. I did not see the "1993" incident take place, EVER.)

Allow me to point out: Rush's show made that mistake when they showed a pic of chelsea when Rush asked for a pic of Millie. That incident got retold in the telling (half the time it is attributed to 1992. That is, untill someone came up with the official transcript. Then Limbaugh's critics, rather than admit they were wrong about it, decided to change their story to 'the incident in question occured at a different time, in 1993'.).

(Speak of the devil, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Rush_Limbaugh

"On November 6, 1992, three days after the election, in reference to who was in and out at the White House, Limbaugh joked on air that he didn't know Bill Clinton had a pet dog, and held up a picture of Chelsea."

One wishes that his critics would put their heads together and agree on the specific details of the lies they will tell about him.)

Also, the person who posted this (false) info, changed it from: "Rush asked: 'Did you know there was a white house dog?' and then supposedly HOLDS up a photo of chelsea. According to Rush's critics who occasionaly bring up this incident claimed he HELD UP the photo of Chelsea in his hand.

Someone on the internet went to Lexis Nexis to see a transcript, and found only the Nov. 1992 incident. There it is seen what Rush really said and did. For one, he did NOT hold up any photos. All photos were flashed on a video monitor. Clearly, the person who posted the phony info read the transcript and changed his story accordingly. He changed it from "held up a photo" to this: "He then pointed to a video monitor, which switched to a picture of Chelsea." He also changed the year of the incident to 1993 in order to make his objectional observations ("the joke would not have made sense if Limbaugh had not intended for Chelsea's photo to appear on screen, as the White House had no dog. (Buddy did not join the Clinton family until a few years later".) sound more reasonable and logical --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.194.0.90 (talk • contribs) .

I guess I am not clear. Are you saying that the two incidents mentioned in the article are one in the same? --Asbl 03:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep. There are no two seperate incidents. The Nov. 1992 incident that I cite (with the transcript) is the one and only incident regarding this issue. The (false 1993) incident, that "1993" story GREW out of the original Nov. 1992 incident over the years. So far I can trace the false "1993" incident down to an innacurate column by Molly Ivins in 1993.

As the years have passed, details got changed in the retelling. So much so that when confronted with the transcript, some people (Rush's critics) rather than admit that they were giving out wrong details about the incident in question, would then turn around and claim (falsely) that the incident they were describing happened in a different episode in a different year. It happened to me a few times. I would be in argument with, well to put it delicately, someone who hated Rush. They pulled out the old (1993) incident saying it was in 1992. I pulled out the transcript showing what really happened in 1992. Rather than admit their mistake, would then insist claim that it happened in another year. One, after being confronted with the transcript tried to put the incident in July of 1993. Of course, Rush was not on the air in the month of July. He went off the air for the summertime. Another attempted to tell me that the incident occured in September of 1996. Of course, Rush's show went off the air for good in June 1996. One claimed he HEARD Rush do it on his radio show. Of course, the incident in question occured on Rush's tv show. Not his radio show. Another, I saw on a message board on the internet, claimed that Rush performed this "chelsea/dog joke" on his tv show at least once a week, every week. (I had to roll my eyes at that one. As a viewer who never missed an episode, I don't recall seeing it being done once, much less once a week every week. I sure as heck would have remembered that!).

It's like Mark Twain has said: "A Lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on"

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Removed again and I'll tell you why. The person who added that bit of phony (1993) incident, used Al Franken and his book as a source.

"Although Limbaugh has claimed that it was a technical error, as Al Franken documented in his book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, since the show was on a tape delay, if it truly was a technical error, it could have been corrected prior to airing of the show."

So, I went to look at that book, and yes, Franken notes in his book (in a chapter on Sean Hannity where he argues this very issue with Hannity) that Limbaugh claimed it was a technical error. Franken also noted that Rush blamed the behind the scenes tech crew for the foul up. Which is also true. Rush did call it a technical error and blamed it on the behind the scenes crew. But, BUT, Rush did this in 1992, not 1993.

Days after the 1992 incident:

("Who's Sorry Now" is played and Rush points to himself)

(Laughter)

LIMBAUGH: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry. Let me tell you very quickly what happened last Friday night. There was a new in list and new out list that was published in the newspaper. The writer said in, cute kid in the White House; out, cute dog in the White House. Could we show the cute dog in the White House who's out, and they put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton back in the crew. And many of you people think that we did it on purpose to make a cheap comment on her appearance. And I'm terribly sorry. I don't--look, that takes no talent whatsoever and I have a lot of talent. I don't need to get laughs by commenting on people's looks, especially a young child who's done nothing wrong. I mean, she can't control the way she looks. And we really--we do not--we do not do that on this kind of show. So put a picture up of her now and so we can square this.

(Photo shown of Bill and Chelsea Clinton, who is making a sour face)

(Laughter and applause)

LIMBAUGH: All right. We're sorry. We didn't intend to hurt her feelings. We'll be back with our final segment right after this. Don't go away.

I've eliminated the fact that she will be eligible to run for president in 2020 because I don't think it's relevant to anything. Is she planning on running for president? No. LaszloWalrus 02:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

And also, the earliest she'd actually be eligiable would be 2016, when she's 36, so its not even supportive of the point the stat tries to make. -Fsotrain09 20:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Globe cover photo

I understand that the photo of the Globe cover is used to illustrate that the Globe ran articles about Clinton in 1998, but I'm concerned that it has the effect of emphasizing the alcohol-abuse allegations themselves, since it's one of just four photos in the article. If those allegations didn't receive coverage by reliable sources, or are not important enough for the text of the article, then I don't think they should be mentioned via photo either. --Allen 20:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No response; removing. --Allen 19:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

No one takes the tabloids seriously, and it is used here to show that the Globe has not shown the respect of other media outlets. I dont think anyone is going to say Clinton is a drunk from this photo. Thank you--David Foster 02:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed the tacky cover of Globe in the article. There's certainly no cover of National Enquirer shown at George W. Bush substance abuse controversy, even though he was on the cover recently after allegedly having been been "caught" drinking. This type of visual negativity in the bio shows poor taste. 69.61.246.160 09:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Didn't she have plastic surgery at some point?

I remember reading that Chelsea had plastic surgery after she had been in college for a while. There was an article with a "before" and "after" picture, and, while I understand they would use the worst and best pictures they have of her, it really did look like she'd had some work done. Has that ever been verified? ID208 00:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Secret Service?

Anyone know if she is still guarded by Secret Service? If so when does it stop, Truman's duaghter is still alive is she guarded? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.61 (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Wow. I'm sure when the Secret Service pay you a visit regarding this question, you can ask them yourself. Eleemosynary 02:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Current Job?

So what is her job at the hedge fund Avenue Capital Group? Presumably she's not a mathematical modeler, since her degrees are in history and international relations. Does she help bring in new investors? Eclecticos 17:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

University Degree

Stanford does not award highest honors; instead, they give out "distinction," I believe to the top 10 or 15% of the class. HTH.

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