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Seems to be something that others here should be aware of

https://www.facebook.com/bombus.memoriam/

I have no way of verifying the truth of this report. Eric Corbett 19:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hearing the same. :-( Working on a confirmation. Ed  20:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I've forwarded this to WP:AN, not because I want a wider audience but because somebody there will be able to take the appropriate action. I cannot see any reason to believe what I read on the Facebook page is not true. :-( Ritchie333 20:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Nothing on Google I can see, beyond the Facebook that Eric linked.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Rest in peace

I regret to say that it's true. Rest well, buddy, and my best wishes go out to your family and everyone close to you. Ed  20:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I think maybe we crossed paths a few times, however the loss of a fellow contributor, especially one so young is sad. May you rest in peace. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
You are missed. Smallbones(smalltalk) 21:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I am heartsick to learn of this. My deepest sympathies to Kevin's family and loved ones. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I last saw him at the wikiconference in October, and I'm so sad to hear of this. All the best to his family. WWB (talk) 21:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for all of the work you performed here at WikiP. My condolences to friends and family. MarnetteD|Talk 21:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
My sincerest condolences to his family. Never got to work with him, though I did respect him as an Admin and editor. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:38, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Always sad news, and very little to be said. Very sorry to hear about this, my condolences to his friends on and off wiki and his family. Keegan (talk) 21:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
No words feel good enough to express my feeling well. I'm heartened that you were able to help three folks live with generous donations and that you continue to help people. You will indeed be missed and it was a pleasure to have met you and work with you. I hope your family and loved ones are well and make it through this undoubtedly difficult time. Much love, EvergreenFir (talk) 21:43, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Incredibly sad news. Condolences to his family and those who knew him. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

So sad, my heart aches. RIP, my friend; you are missed beyond words. Condolences to family and friends, on and off wiki. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Rest in peace Kevin. You will be missed greatly. -- KTC (talk) 22:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
missed
... and A Requiem in Our Time --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest in peace Gorman —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 14:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I am deeply saddened by the passing of Kevin. Once we began corresponding over a year ago, he treated me with respect, kindness, tact, sensitivity and with the highest example of good faith. I have found him to be a staunch ally and supporter for building the encyclopedia. I especially enjoy his essays. If any of his family is reading this, please know that I am grieving with you and for you and can't even imagine what you must be going through. If there is any question at all about the amazing contributions that Kevin has made to Misplaced Pages, just know that it will never be the same without him. Kevin, I miss you already! The Very Best of Regards,
  Bfpage |leave a message  14:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC),
my real name is Barbara Page and I am from Pittsburgh. I didn't think an anonymous note would do him justice.
  • There are far too few who cared so much about this place. A loss for this project and for us all. Gamaliel (talk) 14:34, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • R.I.P. Stan 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:36, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Deeply sorry to hear this. Regrettably, I never worked much with him, but always respected and esteemed him as a Wikipedian. RIP.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:41, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sorry to see this. --Rschen7754 16:09, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sad news. Prayers and condolences to his family friends and loved ones. Memory eternal! -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Kevin, you were one of the first Wikipedians I was introduced to in depth, and I was so struck by your deep sense of dedication to do good and to do right for Misplaced Pages, for Wikimedia, for systemic bias in free knowledge... Your energy and enthusiasm will be sorely missed. Rest in power. Anasuyas (talk) 17:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It's incredibly sad when someone so young passes away, but at least Kevin will be remembered for his contributions here. Sincerest condolences to his family and friends.- MrX 21:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I did not interact with Kevin much, either on- or off-wiki, but there was no missing the way he stood up for principles in discussions of policy. He will be missed. Daniel Case (talk) 00:31, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest in peace, Kevin. You did a lot of good in this world, and it will be a worse place without you. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:07, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Just woke up to this shocking news. Very sorry to hear this. Kevin was far too young to die. My condolences to his friends and family. I have an idea for a possible way to pay tribute if it would be appropriate and not too soon to talk about this (see below). Carcharoth (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Misplaced Pages is now poorer. Collect (talk) 13:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Goodbye. :( II | (t – c) 19:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sad news indeed, my condolences go to those who worked with him here, and knew him personally. Rest in peace. Zero 13:40, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I first met Kevin in spring 2011. I was doing communications for the Wikimedia Foundation’s Public Policy Initiative (the pilot of the program now run by the Wiki Education Foundation, where I now work), and we’d created a tool that showed how many edits and how much content each student had added to Misplaced Pages. One username stood out from a class UC Berkeley, and after looking at this new user’s contribs, I realized he’d started editing far beyond his coursework; Kevin had gotten the Misplaced Pages bug and was busy improving articles on mushrooms (a hobby of his) and reverting vandalism. Kevin’s devotion to Misplaced Pages was apparent, even in the early days of his editing career (I think he never actually finished the article he was supposed to work on for class, he’d gotten so excited about improving other Misplaced Pages articles). Kevin continued on in the education program as a volunteer, and I was pleased to see him become more involved in different aspects of Misplaced Pages. He recruited several classes as the first Wikipedian in Residence at UC Berkeley after he graduated, with his own unique Kevin way of approaching courses: always with an interest to countering systemic bias and always making sure he was doing the right thing ethically for both the student editors and Misplaced Pages. His impact will continue to be felt for years to come within the education program in the United States. Thanks for all your hard work, Kevin. We miss you already. --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 00:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks for all your excellent and well-intentioned contributions. You're missed already. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • RIP. You did not deserve so few years.--Begoon  13:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest in peace, Kevin. You are missed.--Cúchullain /c 20:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Wow, very sorry to hear this. One of the "good guys". A name to conjure with. Rest in Peace, Kevin. Softlavender (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I, too, was enormously shocked to hear about this. I find it deeply saddening that we often fail to fully appreciate someone's value until they are no longer around. Events like these should be a wake-up call—it is long past time to realize the pettiness and complete lack of meaningful consequence to all the ugly controversies and bickering. We must grasp the fact that real people with lives and feelings are behind those words and signatures. I offer my sincere condolences and well-wishes to Kevin's family, and I commend him for his selfless organ donations to those who were in desperate need of assistance. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Misplaced Pages. 23:12, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Rest easy, another warm soul gone too soon. I believe we crossed paths a few times, but all the kind words from fellow wikipedians allowed me the pleasure of learning more about you. I appreciate the time you have given to preserve knowledge for countless others, and, with equal importance, the positive impact you clearly left on editors.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I am so shocked to hear of this. He was far too young. My condolences to his family and his friends and his many collaborators in free knowledge and justice. Kevin and I didn't have that many conversations but in every one I heard his deep passion for the work of improving our culture on all levels; he never ceased to be shocked at things that aren't right, and to channel that shock into activism and organizing. I will miss his dedication and I will remember his ideals. Sumana Harihareswara 16:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I worked closely with Kevin when he volunteered in the education program, primarily at Berkeley. Since I was in San Francisco and working at WMF at the time, he used to come by for in-person meetings and lunches. I never could take notes quickly enough to capture his great ideas and enthusiasm for improving students' lives while they improved Misplaced Pages. Kevin also encouraged me to edit as a volunteer, which I continue to do today. He will live on in so many of our memories, but—perhaps most apropos—through Misplaced Pages, which is better because of him. Jami (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sad to hear this, my deepest condolences to his loved ones, Huldra (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC) 
  • Kevin, I've always admired your character and dedication. Rest in peace. Airplaneman ✈ 15:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Very saddened to hear this. Thank you endlessly for all of your contributions to this project. Mz7 (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Goodbye, thank you for your work, and bienvenue à dans étoiles. Dschslavaparlez moi 03:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Too, too young. Condolences to Kevin's loved ones. Your great passion is what I remember and celebrate. RIP. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry to hear this. Rest in peace, Kevin. --Pine 03:07, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Never interacted with you but Rest in Piece and my condolences go to his friends and family. MWright96 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Always sad, to learn of a fellow Wikipedian's passing. My condolenses to the Gorman family :( GoodDay (talk) 14:18, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Whatever our differences, I am saddened by this news. Kevin was a great Wikipedian, I will not forget him. Worm(talk) 12:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Such a loss for the community. Mkdw 15:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your generosity of spirit, time, intellect, and vital organs, Kevin. We will miss you. The Interior (Talk) 18:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
  • RIP, Kevin. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
  • RIP. Ethanlu121 (talk) 22:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
  • My condolences to Kevin's family and friends. We were in touch briefly last fall with the aim of meeting up to talk about teaching with Misplaced Pages; even though he said he wasn't sure when his health would stabilize, he was full of ideas for the future. I'm sorry we never managed to get together and that the world has lost such a dynamo.Alafarge (talk) 18:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Kevin, you threw your heart and bones at the world, fighting for truth in your work. I don't know anyone else who thought so little of the burdens on themself while they advocated for the rights of others. Thank you for your crazy wild warrior spirit and dedication to human rights. No one will say you didn't give it your all. Ocaasi 20:40, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Kevin Gorman, gone far too soon. Rest in peace. MB298 (talk) 03:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry

that our last conversations were so much unlike our first ones. You and I worked together on a case a long time ago which seemed unwinnable, and we prevailed, for the best of the project. I learned a lot from that, and felt like I knew you a bit. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't--we certainly drifted apart, one way or another, and in one or two fairly crucial cases we did not agree, and I always wished I could have seen eye to eye with you, physically, in the real world, and maybe that would have changed things. You always had a real dedication to this beautiful project of ours, more sincere than many of us, which is probably why you got in real trouble here because you were so dedicated, and sheesh you are too fucking young to be gone. They should take some of us old people, the ones who think they're always right and are sometimes too set in their ways. And who are old and expendable. There's a lot of folks who loved you, Kevin, and I'm , well, I'm sort of out of words. You are one of my oldest friends and colleagues on Misplaced Pages, I mean you were, and it won't be the same without you, tall skinny young person with your funky hairdo. Why do we say the things that matter only when it's too late? sorry yall--NOTSOZCIALNETWORK i know. Drmies (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Continuing Kevin's work

After hearing the awful news above, I was re-reading Kevin's user page, and I noticed his words on missing women philosopher articles. Would in some way, when the time is right, continuing the work he started there be an appropriate way to pay tribute? There may be other ideas (the Facebook page mentioned donations to the National Organization for Rare Disorders), but I am throwing this idea out there. Carcharoth (talk) 06:34, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

How about a barnstar?

Kevin cared very much about working with, and reaching out to, student editors. It occurs to me that the Misplaced Pages Ambassador Barnstar is intended for just that kind of activity, by campus and online ambassadors. I'd like to propose that we rename it the "Kevin Gorman Ambassador Barnstar". Is there support for doing this? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: Seconded. Ed  20:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
third--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Fourthed ? .... Anyway +1 It sounds lovely! –Davey2010 21:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
This is an excellent idea. Should it be raised somewhere else (e.g. on the talk page of the barnstar or at Misplaced Pages talk:Education program), or should it just be done WP:BOLDly after discussion here? Is anyone in contact with his family? Carcharoth (talk) 10:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I believe WP:BOLDly after discussion here is more than enough to just do the barnstarMisplaced Pages:Barnstars...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I already left notes at the talkpage of the barnstar template, and at the talkpage of the WikiProject that deals with barnstars. An editor at the latter had a question, and I directed them to raise the question in the discussion here. I'll also add a note at the Education noticeboard now. I think it would be a good idea to let a few more days pass before making any bold edits. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:45, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
If there is consensus for this, there will need to be a link to some text explaining the rename and why it was done, so the reasoning is available in the future to those using this award. The closest things I've found to a permanent tribute to deceased Wikipedians (as opposed to user talk page condolence and tribute threads and an entry at Misplaced Pages:Deceased Wikipedians) is Misplaced Pages:Wadewitz Tribute Edit-a-thons and the 2014 Wikipedian of the Year award (though others may be able to think of other examples). Carcharoth (talk) 05:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support – But if renaming the existing barnstar, it might be worth considering changing the "ambassador" part as well. Ambassador is a specific user role/program in the context of Misplaced Pages, and one that isn't terribly active on enwiki (though there are ongoing discussions about reviving it). Thus it seems likely that people would assume the barnstar is for (or for use by) ambassadors with that program, and thus wouldn't see much use (and would go unused altogether if that program were to be discontinued). Kevin was an ambassador, but was also involved at the intersection of Misplaced Pages and education in other ways, engaging with faculty, staff, students, Wikipedians, and the public. He also -- and I think this is very important -- came to Misplaced Pages through the education program (when it was the Public Policy Initiative). Perhaps something like "Kevin Gorman Education Program barnstar", or the "Misplaced Pages in Education Gormanstar" or somesuch? FYI I work with the Wiki Education Foundation, but am commenting here solely in a volunteer capacity. — Rhododendrites \\ 23:22, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Those are good points. Perhaps a better approach would be to leave the existing barnstar unchanged, and instead create a new one. I would go with the "Kevin Gorman Education Program barnstar", rather than the other name. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
@Tryptofish, The ed17, Ozzie10aaaa, and Davey2010: For the sake of taking the next step, I went ahead and created Template:Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar and uploaded a basic barnstar image. The template is basically the Original Barnstar, and the image is that barnstar with an education program logo. See three versions 1 (current), 2, 3. I won't be offended if anyone wants to make/use a different image, use a different name, or go a different route altogether -- I just wanted to get the ball rolling. I also added some text to the "header" and "for" fields. — Rhododendrites \\ 14:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Template:Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I think this is the best way to go – thanks! I support the "current" version, aka #1, of the star, and I cannot think of any corrections to the template. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Wow it looks perfect!, Thanks Rhododendrites for kindly doing this. –Davey2010 18:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I think that it has become very clear that editors commenting here support going ahead with this barnstar. The required procedure for doing so is to open a discussion at the WikiProject talkpage associated with such awards. I have just done so, at:
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Misplaced Pages Awards#Proposal for a new Barnstar.
It is important that editors here, who support the barnstar, also comment on your support for it there. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Doing right because it was right

I'm nearly speechless having learned of your death today, Kevin. My impression of you through our public interactions here as well as through email showed me you were an honorable man who believed in doing right – in spite of it not always being popular – simply because it was the right thing to do. I will always remember you in the best of terms and those who treated you horribly or didn't step in to defend you (when you were no longer going to be an admin) in the lowest of terms. You deserved much better treatment and respect. To echo the sentiments of others already commenting here, you left us too soon my friend – way too soon. May the road rise to meet you, may the wind always be at your back; may the sun shine warm upon your face, and rains fall soft upon your fields; until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of his hand. Rest in peace and with the angels, Kevin Gorman. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this is very much as I remember Kevin. Mathsci (talk) 22:55, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Post about Kevin on Feminist Philosophers blog

We posted something to honor Kevin on the Feminist Philosophers blog here. If anyone would like to comment or add or even correct inaccuracies, please do. Also, if you know people who were close to Kevin, maybe they would like to know about the post? Madva (talk) 01:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this, Madva. I've shared your post, and started an article on Anita Avramides to honour Kevin. As I was looking at his list, I realised how few of these academics and thinkers had any substantial information on them (I started with Hide Ishiguro, as the only? person on the list not originally from Europe or North America, but there was almost silence on the internet). It is sadly never surprising to me, but always horrifying. Thank you for the inspiration you gave Kevin, and I'd be delighted if you or some of your students might find time to improve and expand the Avramides article. Anasuyas (talk) 14:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I first met Kevin in 2011 at a "Misplaced Pages in Higher Education" conference in Boston. He was then known for his work on mushroom articles. Over the years, I have participated in several edit-a-thons in San Francisco and Berkeley with him. He was committed to Misplaced Pages, free knowledge, gender equality, fairness in biographies of philosophers and positive values. He was open in discussing his health problems but I did not know that they were life threatening. His life was far too short, but a bit of him lives on in the living bodies of the recipients of his transplanted organs. I will donate blood next week in his memory and encourage others to do so as well. He will be missed. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Kevin's heart still beats

From the facebook page:

"Kevin's heart still beats! His heart was successfully transplanted into another person last week, as was his liver and a kidney. Kevin saved three lives last week by sharing his organs. May his heart continue to beat for many years."

I think a fitting tribute to Kevin would be to register as an organ donor. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Why did someone decide to cut onions near my desk right now? Seriosuly, that is the the best gift one can give, life for others. Already an organ donor myself, and I recommend that if you can, please consider it. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

With a heavy heart...

One of the last things Kevin said to me in an email exchange, January 6, 2016..."I think people often underestimate the amount of healing that family members and loved ones of those who undergo serious medical and other crises have to do even when their physical bodies were not the physical bodies directly affected." His words spoke volumes to me about his sensitivity toward others. He will be missed. 06:33, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Memorial fund

My name is Sierra and I was a very close friend of Kevin's who is organizing the memorial. If anyone feels moved to donate to his memorial fund, which will be used to support his memorial and beyond that his preferred charities, you may do so here: https://www.youcaring.com/kevingormanfund. If you would like to attend the event, please see his memorial page https://www.facebook.com/bombus.memoriam/ for event details. If you wish to attend virtually, check back regularly because details for webcasting the event are still TBD. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.194.86 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar in Kevin's memory

The Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar is now officially listed at Misplaced Pages:Barnstars. Here is what it looks like:

Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar
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Thanks to Rhododendrites, who designed it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

From Gender Gap-list

It breaks my heart that I am not able to post condolences to his talk page. I wanted to say so much about what he did for people behind the scenes, how he kept this forum moderated and open for discussion after arbcom closed down the gender gap project, and how when he talked, the ideas rushed out of him as if he knew how little time he had, and could overcome mortality itself in order to accomplish them, but in the end, there are no words, there are no words. —Neotarf July 30, 2016.

Proxy edit per IAR. Carrite (talk) 19:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikiconference edit-a-thon?

A few people mentioned continuing Kevin's work on women philosophers. It's too late to submit a session to the upcoming Wikiconference in San Diego, but for those involved/attending, would there be some time to set aside for a short edit-a-thon? Or perhaps it's something to bring up at the Unconference, or something that runs through the weekend? — Rhododendrites \\ 22:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

FYI looks like this is happening on Saturday. See Misplaced Pages:Meetup/San Diego/WCNA2016/Kevin Gorman Memorial. — Rhododendrites \\ 18:27, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Updated link, edit request

It's probably unimportant, but the link to ] should now show California Assembly Bill 1535 (2014) instead, or in addition to, the red link. Mathglot (talk) 00:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@Mathglot: You've looked at the top of Kevin's user talk page, right? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:30, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Marchjuly, Yes. I should have added, that this was addressed to anyone following up redlinks why there was one inlink remaining to a page moved with no redirect whose links were (almost) all cleaned up, why this page wasn't also fixed. Answer: due to its protection level; but neither does it matter, and they can disregard it. Mathglot (talk) 01:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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David, this editor is deceased. Second, are do you have evidence of copying or is the content merely the same? A lot of pages copy stuff from Misplaced Pages. Jehochman 12:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I looked at the revision history. It’s not a reverse copy. It’s not a copy either. The material is properly cited and constructed from multiple sources. I’m going to close the copyvio investigation in a moment. Jehochman 12:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I just use twinkle, which cannot tell. I would rather post a few inappropriate notices than not notify someone who needs to be noticed. But one of the reasons a post here might not be entirely inappropriate is that it allows the many people who still l watchlist the page in his memory to correct errors., like my error here DGG ( talk ) 19:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. You make several good points. Jehochman 15:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

I don't think we've ever interacted before, but I want to say thanks for your contributions and my deepest condolences and sympathies go out to your friends and family. Rest in Peace. Lord Sjones23 (talk – contributions) 08:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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