Talk:Kapu (caste) - Misplaced Pages

This is the current revision of this page, as edited by Charliehdb (talk | contribs) at 13:06, 19 July 2024 (→Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024: Responded to edit request). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this version.

Revision as of 13:06, 19 July 2024 by Charliehdb (talk | contribs) (→Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024: Responded to edit request)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)

WARNING: This page is for civil discussion of reliably sourced improvements of the page Kapu (caste). Editorial attempts at caste glorification without sourcing from any reliable source, tendentious discussion(s), attacks on living people, and other irrelevant material will be removed on sight.

The use of the contentious topics procedure has been authorised by the community for pages related to South Asian social groups, including this page. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be sanctioned.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Kapu (caste) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1, 2Auto-archiving period: 3 months

This article is rated Stub-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

India: Karnataka / Tamil Nadu Low‑importance

	India portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Karnataka (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Tamil Nadu (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool as Stub-class because it uses a stub template. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

This article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication. Since the external publication copied Misplaced Pages rather than the reverse, please do not flag this article as a copyright violation of the following source:

Introduction / History, unknown {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Additional comments

While this article does have strong resemblance to that source, evidence suggests the content here evolved naturally. Compare the following from the source: "They are the descendants of the Kaampu tribe, an Indo-Aryan tribe, which migrated from Kampilya, Mithila and Ayodhya." We see the seeds of that text enter our article in May 2006, when in this edit the sentence "They are the descendants of the Satavahanas and other ancient dynasties, and seem to date back to the Pre-Christ era." was altered to read "They seem to date back to the Pre-Christ era and are believed to be the descendants of the Kaampu tribe, which was also referred to as the Kossar tribe that migrated from the U.P. area and whom some historians believe established the Satavahanas and other ancient dynasties." The bit about their being Indo-Aryan was added in late January 2009, when "descendants of the Kaampu tribe" became (briefly) "descendants of the Kaampu tribe and Indo-Aryan tribe" (a few edits later, the same IP corrected "and" to an"). See also , where "who migrated" became "which migrated". Evidence strongly suggests that they copied this content from us. --Moonriddengirl 19:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Kapu caste presence in North India ? What is Old Aryan Race

What is Old Aryan race? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.235.114.164 (talk) 21:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Edits in lead

@Kautilya3 Can you explain why you have reverted some of the edits? Everything in there is sourced from multiple independent, reliable sources including some from sources already used in this very page. Are you saying that the lead should be ossified and should never be edited? If we have WP:RELIABLE and WP:VERIFY sources, which in this case we have, what's the issue? Nikh Nori (talk) 15:32, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Please see MOS:LEAD. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen it. The edits satisfy MOS:LEADCITE and the overall length is well below MOS:LEADLENGTH. Can you be specific? Nikh Nori (talk) 17:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

The LEAD summarises the body. As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources.

So, the issue is the importance of the geographic distribution in the lead. Not verifiability. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:29, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Geographic distribution is not important? In most pages of ethnic groups/social groups geographic distribution is mentioned in the very first paragraph. So, should all those hundreds of pages be changed as well? Can you tell me what is important for the lead, so that I can proceed as per your guidelines? Nikh Nori (talk) 05:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

The WP:ONUS is on you to argue for the inclusion of contested content. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Contested? Are you saying that the information about geographic distribution is contested? How so? Is it wrong? Is it sourced from primary sources? Are the citations for non-reliable sources? I have already given a pretty good explanation for why it should be included. As per MOS:INTRO, the edits summarize the most important points covered in an article.

As was mentioned earlier, in most pages of ethnic groups/social groups geographic distribution is mentioned in the very first paragraph. So, how is that different here? Nikh Nori (talk) 19:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I am afraid, you are becoming tendentious. Please read the edit summary of the revert, check the links given, and make a case for the edit. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I have rechecked your comment, you mentioned WP:Lead fixation, which I think is not the case here as I am also editing in the body. You still haven't answered my query on why the geographical extent should not be mentioned. It is vital information and is important to summarize the most important points covered in the article as per MOS:INTRO. Nikh Nori (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Geographical distribution is already mentioned in the lead to the extent that is necessary. You haven't explained why this additional detail is needed. Neither do your additions to the body hightlight any particular importance of these details. You added one sentence to the body and one sentence to the lead. That is not what summary of the body means. The lead summarises the body, doesn't just duplicate it. If something is important enough to go into the lead, you need to explain it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

If you check the sources listed on this page, most of them would mention Kapus being present in large numbers in both Godavari and Krishna delta regions (i.e. old East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna, Guntur districts). The lead makes it seem as if they are confined to the Godavari districts. It's missing a vital piece of information. It's crucial because most articles written on them mention these four old districts prominently, the other parts not so much. If you want, I can provide the links for them. Nikh Nori (talk) 20:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Notable people

The citations do not support why they are notable for this article. I'll be removing those entries. cc @Nikh Nori — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 13:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

They are all notable people (have a Misplaced Pages page) and are identified by at least one reliable source, in most cases, as belonging to the community. In many cases, there is more than one source identifying the person. But I didn't add them so as not to clutter the article.

Many Indian communities have separate pages for such lists. For example, List of Khatris, List of Rajputs, List of Maratha people, List of Iyengars, List of Ezhavas. Here, there is no separate page, and hence I only included the most prominent people from the community and excluded many lesser prominent people, especially from politics and the film industry, even though they have a Misplaced Pages page and are identified as belonging to the community. Nikh Nori (talk) 08:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I think you did not understand what I meant. We do not include content in an article because a source verifies it. Verifiability that a person belongs to a community and that they have an article because they are notable doesn't conclude that we add them to such lists WP:ONUS. Only when it is WP:DUE. As I said above, the sources must attest that a person is notable with respect to this article. Literally almost every other person can be identified as belonging to a particular community and thousands have an article here, we don't add them en masse. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I was saying. I have only included the most notable people in the community. Most were mentioned in academic books/journals or articles from reputed newspapers in relation to the socio-economic condition of the community or while discussing the role of caste with regards to that industry e.g. politics or films. I have also gone through the discussions on previous lists. I took care to mostly confine this to dead people. And, in the case of living people (WP:BLP), I made sure that they were identified by multiple reliable sources and had not explicitly disassociated themselves from their community. I checked for all such issues. Nikh Nori (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Kapu's were Brahmins

With the evolution, as kapu's were already rich enough and had greatly presence in society, their ancestors were originally devotees and were Brahmins before they got more involved in wars and getting Lands as a wars title. Now Kapu's are going with their history and following their ancestors way of being once a Brahmin. So in short Kapu's valija are Brahmins before they got their service in War. 2409:4043:698:271C:9C07:7DD0:1E04:7BD1 (talk) 11:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

2402:8100:295F:2560:0:0:19B6:DDA3 (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Please add VANGAVEETI MOHANA RANGA AND VANGAVEETI RADHA KRISHNA ,SAMENANI UDAY BHANU, MANDALI BUDDHA PRASAD (Ex.,Minister and former deputy speaker of Andhra ),Pradesh NAMES In politicians list

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Categories: