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Deletion of the article John Ebnezar

It appears that your deletion of the article was in undue haste. I had explained on the talk page of the article (after the deletion tag has been put) that the subject of the article was eminently notable per WP:ANYBIO and that I would try to improve the article which I have been trying to carry out for the past one hour or more. I trust that my Wiki profile and my efforts here will convince you that I am not a careless or paid editor. It is sad that you found a person who has been recognized by a country of 1.4 billion people with three of its major awards does not deserve an article in Misplaced Pages.--jojo@nthony (talk) 08:18, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

jojo@nthony I'll restore it, but give me a couple of hours to remove the obvious errors in referencing and external links before you start on it again Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, jojo@nthony I made these edits, I don't think there's anything particularly controversial there, but let me know if you have any queries Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Mate, it was indeed a nice job. I will check if I can find any further information, supported by reliable sources, I will add them. Thanks jojo@nthony (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Another one

Hello, I believe I've found another Samuel Claesson sockpuppet, TheFiberConsumer. Almost every single article they've edited has been edited by at least one Claesson sockpuppet in the past and they've recently recreated the page Samuel Claesson. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 06:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

AllTheUsernamesAreInUse thanks, checked and indeffed Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Gabriel Grosclaude - Copyright

Hi @Jimfbleak, thank you for taking the time to review my entry submission for Gabriel Grosclaude. I indeed used the information on swissfilms.ch as basis for my entry, but added a couple of more information and added sources. Can I rewrite my entry to differentiate it from the swissfilms.ch page? Thank you for your time. Anotherwaytod (talk) 09:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page, COI disclosure request Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Jimfbleak for your extensive and detailed answer on my talk page. Very much appreciated. My biography about Gabriel Grosclaude complied with listed points: independent verifiable sources (Variety, Hollywood Reporter, ScreenDaily), non-promotional tone, no url links in the article... The short biography was indeed based on already written online text (swissfilms.ch), but with added details. Concerning the nature of my relationship to the subject (COI Issue), Gabriel Grosclaude is a relative of mine. Since he just won the "Best Swiss Newcomer" award at the 77th Locarno Film Festival and got some media coverage, I wanted to use this opportunity to add an article on Misplaced Pages since he now meets Misplaced Pages's guidelines for notability. His name is already mentioned in this Misplaced Pages article: 77th Locarno Film Fesitval. Anotherwaytod (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Maffian

Why was Draft:Maffian deleted when it was submitted for review. If it was written as advert, the best option wasn't it to be rejected and tagged as advert so that it can be worked on? Why delete it why still a draft. BigSteeze (talk) 11:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

BigSteeze, in this case, if you take out the obvious promo, what's left is basically "this is an EP from a non-notable (no Misplaced Pages article) musician". Your sources include sites that are not independent verifiable sources, like Spotify and Bellanaija. You also make several claims that your refs don't confirm anyway, such as "received favourable reviews from critics, and topped charts In UK, US, Netherlands". Why isn't the Apple chart sourced to Apple? My judgement was that if this song is notable, it needs rewriting from scratch. Also, if you have a conflict of interest, you must disclose the nature of that COI. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak There are album articles been written without the artist been on Misplaced Pages like King of the Wolves by Alpha P, which is not an artist on Misplaced Pages. Maffian EP did debut on US, UK and other countries here which I didn't remember to add the source. Now you shouldn't have deleted the page since it's still a draft and submitted for review, you should have declined it at least and point out the issue so that I could work on it. There is no COI, I'm only working on the article because I think it's notable. BigSteeze (talk) 13:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

BigSteeze The fact that other articles have not been deleted doesn't help you, either they met the criteria or should be deleted as well. See What about article x?. Also I think it's notable isn't the same as our music notability criteria. If you think that you can write something that demonstrates why it meets those criteria, with proper refs for all the claims, I'll sandbox the text for you, just let me know Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak You should have declined it, not delete a draft. BigSteeze (talk) 14:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak If sandbox is the option. I will like continue working on it. I believe that the article is notable. BigSteeze (talk) 14:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

BigSteeze now at User:BigSteeze/Maffian Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

About deleting Ertugrul of Ulukayin Topic

Hi Jim I just got a message that says the topic I created is deleted because I'm not neutral. The game I writed topic about has huge fanbase because it is settled on Diriliş:Ertuğrul TV series. It is most popular TV show in Türkiye and also popular in other countries. And if you readed topic you can see I'm absolutely neutral. I didn't say anything good or bad about game. So I want from you to think about your decision and undo the deletion process, thanks in advance. Altugturkcu (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Altugturkcu, i've seen this message and I'll reply tomorrow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied now on user talk page, promo with little evidence of notability Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

About deleting my Draft:World on the Brink article

Hi Jimfbleak,

When I submitted my draft for the book World on the Brink, I was assured that if it was not up to standards, I would receive constructive criticism on how to improve it. Instead, you deleted it, saying it is "just a book review." You may also recall that I originally posted a longer draft article, which you deleted because you thought I have a conflict of interest (I don't). I submitted the shorter version in order to remove anything even approaching an opinion about the book.

I would like to respectfully ask you how I should approach summarizing a book that I read and liked, and that is important to U.S. foreign policy, in such a way that you or others will not delete it. This is my first draft article and I would like to do more, but obviously I don't want them to be deleted. Please teach me.

Thank you, Fractal Figment (talk) 21:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Aside: Any idea why the draft is not showing up in the deleted contributions of Fractal Figment (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? —C.Fred (talk) 11:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

C.Fred, none whatsoever. I admit that I was baffled myself that it wasn't there despite what the deleted article history claims Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

C.Fred, I don't know if you've seen Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(technical)#Deleted_contributions_invisible yet. FWIW, the common.js script does what it says on the tin Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Deleted contribs

I see you first imported my script in User:Jimfbleak/common.js, then reverted and copied the whole script. Was there a problem? The import code should work but you may have to reload a user page with Ctrl+F5 in Windows browsers (not F5 alone). Scripts sometimes have to be updated when something changes and your copy might stop working some day. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, when I imported your script, I saw a message querying the presence of "user" so I assumed that I did something wrong and copied the whole script, which works fine. I'm happy for you to fix what I put, or tell me exactly what I should enter into the common.js. Sorry I've botched this Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Your js can only be edited by you and interface admins, not normal admins like me. I see no reason your current copy should behave differently from which works for me. Where did you see a message querying the presence of "user"? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, I didn't know that editing js was restricted even for admins, but I guess that makes sense. I originally copied what was on the VPT page, but I guess I forgot to stick importScript in front of it, despite every item starting with that. I suppose it's unsurprising that I got an error related to a line starting with "User", rather than what it should be Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I sometimes post install code when I mention a script but this time I only linked User:PrimeHunter/Deleted contribs.js which has install code in a comment. I could edit user and sitewide js when I became an admin but Misplaced Pages:Interface administrators was introduced in 2018. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

About deleting my article "The Repeating Ten-Year Music Cycle"

Hi Jimfbleak,

I know you were the last one to delete my article so I'm replying to you directly but hope Jéské Couriano reviews my re-submission . It was after multiple attempts with different editors, that Jéské Couriano told me the following "@Guy Zapoleon: You need to actually cite your sources, sticking to what those published sources explicitly say. The problem isn't a lack of sources, the problem is you aren't citing them and are expecting us (and by extension the readers) to accept what the article says on faith. We do not operate that way. —Jéské Couriano" I've hopefully done so in my latest submission which I'll be posting shortly I'm working hard to make my submission acceptable to Misplaced Pages and your rules.

Thank you,

Guy Guy Zapoleon (talk) 18:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Guy Zapoleon I'll leave it to the reviewers for now, but it has zero chance of acceptance. The whole text has just one bare url reference, to your own article. That's just your theory and there is nothing based on independent verifiable sources that supports your theory, or shows why it meets our notability guidelines. The rest of the text is just a text dump of your own views and opinions (with no wikilinks or references — is it copied from somewhere?) Also you haven't disclosed your obvious conflict of interest. It's also promotional, with totally unsourced claims like This theory has become well known respected and believed in by radio programmers and owners as well as many music label executives since it was first published. I'm sorry to say that you appear not to have looked at any other Misplaced Pages articles or editing guidance, and have just written what you want, not a recipe for your article surviving. Jéské Couriano gave you good advice which you have ignored Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Jimfbleak,

I wanted to spell check what I'd written as a word doc then transferred to Misplaced Pages so yes it is a text dump. And no, everything I have submitted was written by me originally, over time, beginning my 1992 article in Radio & Records. It is not promotional outside of taking credit for something that I've written about and its a 32 year accepted theory in the music and radio industry and published inside the industry and summitting it for public consumption.As far as respected, its been quoted all over the world I gave a few sources in my submission...in Australia and Germany. The verifiable information of the theory is all on the original text I submitted...genre balance, what causes the music cycle to shift etc. Don't know what else you or a reviewer needs to publish? Guy Zapoleon (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You said I gave a few sources in my submission... The verifiable information of the theory is all on the original text I submitted but that's simply not true. Your only in-line reference was this: {Cite journal|last=Denver|first=Joel|url=https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-10-09.pdf}}. The rest of the text was completely unsourced, basically just your unsupported claims, and self-promoting his theory has become well known respected and believed in by radio programmers and owners as well as many music label executives since it was first published. with absolutely nothing to prove that (if its even provable - has anyone done a survey?). And you still have not declared your COI on your user page as required by our T&Cs. I think it's fair to warn you that another attempt to promote your opinions without real evidence backed up by independent third-party sources will lead to a block Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Jimfbleak,

If I'm the original source of an observation that music genres change, around every ten years(with me describing those changes and what causes them). Well its an observation once pointed out by me, became obvious to "anyone" in our industry who has seen these changes occur decade after decade in the Billboard Hot 100 music charts, here in the U.S. since the Dawn of Rock & Roll through today. Besides describing the genre changes and the causes in my submission of the Ten Year Music Cycle, I additionally tried to clarify the cycles and phases by showing artists that typify each evolution or devolution of rock pop or R&B through each music cycle, listed here(and in my submission) https://guyzapoleon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Music-Cycle-by-Phase-2024-Artist-List.pdf.

When Misplaced Pages published a section on a 20 year fashion cycle ("Fashion forecasting - Misplaced Pages" "Fashion trends tend to repeat themselves every 20 years" or anything new theory for that matter there were often just an observation that they existed and verified based on observations given by knowledgable people(industry experts) in that particular industry. Similarly to the 20 year fashion cycle the Ten Year Music Cycle has been widely accepted. Whats my proof, it's published in the leading magazines of the Music and Radio industries, Radio & Records, AllAccess.com, Inside Radio, and written about by well known journalist Ben Fong Torres from Rolling Stone in his book and written about in the New York Times by then music editor Neil Strauss https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/21/arts/pop-view-birth-and-rebirth-on-the-airwaves.html It's referenced many times by other industry professionals over the past 32 years.

If there is anyone I could hire inside Misplaced Pages to help me I'd be glad to pay for that help?

Failing that I'm not sure what else I can do to convince you or anyone at Misplaced Pages, that this concept is worthy of publishing.

Thank you for your time,

Guy Guy Zapoleon (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Guy Zapoleon I don't know how many ways there are to say this, but Misplaced Pages will not accept unsourced articles. Basically you are saying stuff, and asking us to take it on trust. On, that basis, I could equally add to the text that the theory is now thought to have no validity amn and ask people to take what I say as gospel too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Guy Zapoleon (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the deletion of my article "Chariot Energy"

Hi Jimfbleak,

I just saw that my page 'Chariot Energy' was recently deleted but I am looking for the page to be re-reviewed. It says it was deleted as it was similar to the last deleted page, but I've made the revision to the 'advertising' language. I have worked hard to eliminate this language and get it to conform with the rules of Misplaced Pages. Could you please review again?

Thank you, Edgar at ChariotEnergy (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Edgar at ChariotEnergy Why are you posting here and simultaneously posting another non-compliant article without waiting to establish why I deleted it first time? I haven't blocked you yet because you declared your COI, but please don't edit again until I've posted guidance on your talk page, which will be later today Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Now replied on user talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of my Article of Soulan

I have sources for my article Soulan (Black American) why was my aricle was deleted? Can you please bring page my Article with these sources. I cant add books. I can add other source pertain

https://marochorus.com/blogs/news/who-is-soulan-soulaan-defined-by-the-creators-themselves-1

https://www.thewanderingafro.com/soulaan/

https://www.originalblackamericanheritageflag.com DCole0608 (talk) 02:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page, problems with notability and referencing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

So someone with notoriety and they have to reference it in a article? DCole0608 (talk) 02:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

DCole0608 as I've said on your talk page, real facts, not opinions, evidence of why they make your word notable as defined here, and sourced to reputable independent third-party sources Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Corey Ceccarelli

Query on deletion of my draft article of artist Corey Ceccarelli on August 8th.

Hello could you please explain why you have deleted my draft article on the artist Corey Ceccarelli, if you had an issue why wouldn't it be possible to give me the chance to adjust and edit this information? Please could you restore it so this is possible.

You named vanity but I have no connection to the artist just that I admire his work and believe he deserves recognition as an artist.

If the article requires more in depth citation I can provide this.

Thank you in advance

RobynSomer (talk) 14:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC).

Replied on user talk page, largely unreferenced spam Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello again - please could you reinstate so I can reference what you refer to as spam...

There are only factual statements and I am certain these can be backed up by the many publications/articles Corey Ceccarelli is spoken of in. Again deleting the page seems very much like a quick opinion based action than an emotionally intelligent well thought through research based reaction.

Best,

Robyn RobynSomer (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

RobynSomer you've missed the point. Opinions, rather than facts, are worthless here, even if you source them. And you have an unusual idea of what a factual statement is when you write just what your opinions of his work were. What we need is real facts with proper independent references to show that he meets the notability criteria. You need to start from scratch, but since you have no connection with him, why not try something easier? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I should make it clear that even if the opinions you give are not yours, and you can source them, they are still opinions, not real facts Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

RobynSomer if you really want the text, email me and I'll send it to you (see the sidebar on this page) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

One Water Deletion

Hello Jimfbleak,

Can you help me understand why my One Water LA Plan page was deleted? It was marked as promotional material, however, I don't feel the copy was promoting any organization. I only linked to credible sources which included the city of LA's sanitation website and a link to the lead consultants website, which contains specific information that is not published online anywhere else.

I have no affiliation with the city of LA or any companies on the project. My only intent was to add more information about this project as the current information online is sparce and inaccurate at times.

This project is exciting for the city as California has experienced a number of droughts that have negatively impacted the environment.

Any help or guidance is appreciated.

ReactExpert (talk) 15:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Subject: Inquiry Regarding Deletion of Thomas D. Bell Jr. Article

Hi,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently contributed an article about Thomas D. Bell Jr., but it was deleted within hours and marked as promotional or advertising material. I was surprised by this and wanted to understand the reasoning behind the decision.

Thomas D. Bell Jr. has made significant contributions to both Atlanta and the broader U.S. economy through his leadership roles in companies like Norfolk Southern, the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, and the United States Chamber of Commerce under President Obama. He was even named Georgia’s Most Respected Businessman, alongside other notable figures like the leaders of Coca-Cola, Delta, and Home Depot.

One of the most impactful moments of his career was his $40 million donation to Grady Memorial Hospital, which saved Atlanta’s only Level 1 Trauma Center from closing. This action had a profound effect on the city, both in terms of healthcare and its overall infrastructure.

I aimed to document these contributions based on numerous reliable sources, including publicly traded companies and various publications. My intention was not to promote Mr. Bell but to provide a well-rounded account of his impact.

I would greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions on how I might revise the article to better align with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and ensure it does not come across as promotional. Your feedback would be invaluable in helping me contribute effectively to Misplaced Pages.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

AtlantaHistory101 (talk) 05:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)AtlantaHistory101AtlantaHistory101 (talk) 05:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:33, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:National Digital Library of India

Happy if you have time for an input *winks* 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥 15:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥 I've posted an edit war warning on his talk page, so let's see if he continues... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Inquiry Regarding Deletion of Draft: Raghav Khanna

Hello,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently contributed an article about Raghav Khanna, an Indian producer, but it was deleted shortly after being submitted. The draft was marked as promotional or advertising material, which came as a surprise to me. I intended to document Mr. Khanna's contributions to the Indian film and entertainment industry, drawing from reliable sources, including interviews, publications, and media coverage.

My goal was not to promote Mr. Khanna but to provide an accurate and well-rounded account of his work and impact on the industry. I believe his achievements are noteworthy and deserve a place on Misplaced Pages.

I would greatly appreciate any guidance or suggestions on how I can revise the article to better adhere to Misplaced Pages's guidelines and ensure it meets the standards of neutrality and verifiability. Your feedback would be incredibly helpful as I work to contribute more effectively to Misplaced Pages.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Arpitam03 (talk) 10:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page: COI, no proper refs, promotional tone. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Unfair deletion of User:Invisiboy42293/Body Void

Hate to be like this but the deletion of my draft for User:Invisiboy42293/Body Void makes no sense. It was not "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" - I have no connection to the band and there was no promotional text on the page, or much prose at all beyond the lead sentence - nor was it "Misuse of Misplaced Pages as a web host" - it was a userspace draft, something I and countless Wikipedians have made many times to draft articles, and it wasn't even up for two hours before getting deleted. It was an article in development, and I can't think of anything about the formatting or sourcing that would've warranted this. I also was given no notice on my user talk page, something I'm given to understand is required for deletions like this. I genuinely don't understand this, as none of my other userspace drafts have been spontaneously deleted like this (even ones that probably had cause to be), and I would like either a better explanation or, if warranted, an undeletion. Invisiboy42293 (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll restore and remove the U5 tag Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)