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In the intro, please change

is the 11th President of Pakistan

is the 11th and current President of Pakistan

Upon reading the intro sentence, I didn't realize that he was still the president; I thought it was a verb tense error (i.e. should be "was the 11th") in a sentence that the author intended to be similar to sentences such as was the 14th President of the United States. 2001:18E8:2:1020:2471:1719:86D3:F5A6 (talk) 20:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Done BryanG (talk) 02:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

He was 11th President of Pakistan.

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Already done The article already includes that fact in several places. If you have a specific request, please detail it and reactivate the template. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 02:34, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Sentence in opening paragraph needs more clarity

The sentence, "He is the first randi ka backa haram khoor madar chod of the year" is not entirely true since his power was stripped and handed over to the Prime Minister during his tenure. This point has been made later in the article but the above sentence needs to be qualified with this information. Otherwise, the sentence makes it seem like there were no significant events during his presidency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.100.185 (talk) 03:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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Please add |net_worth = {{PKRConvert|189.6|b|year=2005}} in the personal information of the infobox. It will appear as Rs. 189.6 billion (equivalent to Rs. 960 billion or US$3.3 billion in 2021)

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Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Someone reverted the edit added by Jd22292 per my request. Please add the removed edit again. Here's the revision when it was added and in this edit it was removed.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 00:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ominictionary: Reverting editor in this case. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@139.190.118.184 (talk), the edit you are requesting that is not notable according to the person's notibility. Mr Zardari is a former President. His notibility come from his political life not from his net worth. In infobox we write only about very notable information about the person. You can check other Politian's page. Net worth have been added in only business man's article as they are famous for their net worth.Ominictionary (talk)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —MRD2014 14:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

This is the source MRD2014 and it is also present in the Wealth section. It is a notable information as he was named 2nd richest in the country.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 01:02, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Regardless of source, according to Ominictionary, Mr. Zarfari is NOT notable for his net worth, and no known RS talks about it. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jd22292: How is the 2nd richest person in a country not notable for his wealth? He is also the richest Pakistani politician and article also discusses about his wealth. So this information is notable enough for infobox. And it is totally correct to add net worth with a source in a good article.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 06:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I've had enough of this! IP, please accept that this change fails WP:GNG. Ominictionary, thank you for enforcing this. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:01, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Pakistani politicians convicted of crimes 194.176.105.138 (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Dolotta (talk) 14:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

His excellency

Is the honorific-prefix = His Excellency also used for Head of State whose term has ended? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaydbinumar (talk • contribs) 00:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

We do not use it for people in office as well. Zardari is special and unique. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please add his June 2019 arrest--2605:6000:1526:450B:40B7:E56B:B663:EE1D (talk) 19:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP 19:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Zardari was arrested for corruption in June 2019. He was granted bail in December. As such, it would reflect an update.

Done Albeit only partly as the BBC article doesn't mention that he was granted bail in December, another source would be necessary for that. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 15:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add more about his arrest, the charges as well as medical bail.

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References

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Died: 30 May 2020 37.111.136.145 (talk) 08:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --TheImaCow (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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Please add his indictment in the Tosakhana grift case, as it would reflect an update.

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Under Post-presidency, can we add this indictment?2605:6000:1526:450B:C935:6A83:8FB8:4059 (talk) 20:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

References

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-10/pakistan-court-indicts-ex-president-zardari-in-graft-case

Done With supplied refernence Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

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No edit requested. Closing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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The Photo of His Highness Mr. Asif Ali Zardari is changed with some nonsense actor called waqar zaka. Kindly remove his photo and upload Asif Ali Zardari’s photo. 37.208.148.147 (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I rolled back that vandalism and reported the vandal. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

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Asif ali zardari belongs to Baloch Jatt zardari tribe Haly601 (talk) 00:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Save us

We are all one and must look out for the people around us. Give without wanting anything back. The water that flows threw the river of Gods kingdom changes with the water resources. Please share 2601:8C0:680:600:DA1:EAFF:255:F511 (talk) 03:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021 (wrong info in "Spirituality" subsection)

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Hi in the "Spirituality" subsection it's said Zardari is a Shia, but if you follow the source it's about a Sufi master, nothing about Shi'a, so I think we should replace Shia by Sufi there. Thanks.

Partly done: The source actually supports neither of those variants, so the subsection has been removed entirely. Actualcpscm (talk) 07:01, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, please go back through the link, Dr Ahmed Rafique Akhtar is a well known Sufi figure in the country, so the link that says Zardari is his disciple implies he's himself Sufi and not Shi'a (as previously written), thanks 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:7027:23CA:905C:63F2 (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You need a citation which specifically says that Zardari is a Sufi. To infer that from his visit is WP:SYNTH, and not allowable. Please do not open this edit request again until you have proper documentation. Thanks, Xan747 (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi many articles on him visiting Sufi shrines but finally I think yeah it's not that clear but perhaps we could bring back the whole subsection + text BUT by taking out the "Sufi" reference ? Basically just to show he's a disciple of Dr Akhtar 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:7027:23CA:905C:63F2 (talk) 06:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 08:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, there was a subsection called "Spirituality" between "Family" and "Health" subsections (in the "Personal life" section).

I was thus just wondering that if instead of taking it out completely we could just bring it back and rephrase it without infering about Zardari's private faith (Shia or Sufi).

So this is what I want to add in the "Spirituality" section (that is if brought back) :

"Zardari is a a disciple of Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar, a Sufi writer from Gujjar Khan who is the guide of many other officials from civil and military circles as well, and Zardari is known to take advice from other soothsayers and healers, including Pir Mohammad Ejaz, when he has political troubles, often offering animal sacrifice.">

Thanks! 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:77C2:220B:6F8:A903 (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: The citation you gave still does not support the addition you want to make. It simply says that Zardar made a visit to Dr Akhtar, accompanied by "scores" of other government officials. It also says that Dr Akhtar is frequently visited by such dignitaries seeking his advice, but not that Zardar himself has frequently visited him--nowhere does it say Zardar is a disciple of Dr Akhtar. Nothing is known about anything that was said in the meeting--apparently the press were not invited. Finally, your source doesn't say that Dr Akhtar is a Sufi, but I did you a favor and found a book that says so clearly in the title. I think the best you can get out of this is something like:

Zardari is known to seek the advice of 'soothsayers and healers', especially during times of political troubles. He has visited Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar, a well-known Sufi scholar who often counsels government officials and military leaders. During his presidency, he would consult with his then spiritual leader, Pir Mohammad Ejaz about such matters as travel times, and animals were sacrificed at particularly trying times.

If that is acceptable, ping me and I will make the edit. Xan747 (talk) 00:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

^ Staff Report (16 January 2019), "Asif Zardari visits spiritual scholar Prof Ahmad Akhter Rafique", The Nation. Retrieved 31 March 2020.
Raja, Farrah Karamat (2000). Prof. Ahmad Rafique Akhtar: Mystery Behind the Mystic. Sang-e-Meel Publication. ISBN 978-969-35-1160-4.

Yes please go on, this is more or less a better rephrasing (English not my native tongue) of the paragraph I proposed, but just few extra propositions :

To precise that Akhtar is from Gujar Khan (so probably "...a well-known Sufi scholar based in Gujar Khan who often counsels...")

Also in the following :

"...then spiritual leader, Pir Mohammad Ejaz about..."

I believe there should either be no comma (",") or if there's a "," after "leader" there should be one after "Ejaz" too, to keep the fluidity of the sentence.

Lastly if possible to redirect "Pir" (that is of Pir Mohammad Ejaz) to the following page (as I did in my proposition) to get a better context of the individual mentionned :

Pir (Sufism) - Misplaced Pages

Thanks! 2A02:A03F:6504:1700:77C2:220B:6F8:A903 (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Done, with the further edits you requested, and some slight rephrasing by me. I have a feeling this will be a controversial edit. If it gets reverted, please establish consensus for inclusion before opening another edit request. Thanks, Xan747 (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Personal Secretary

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Asif Ali Zardari assumed office as 14th President of Pakistan. FullyIslamist (talk) 12:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Corruption

'Mr. 10%' becomes Mr. President” - France24 94.173.201.168 (talk) 04:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Asif Ali Zardari → Asif Zardari – According to the vast majority of sources in Google Books, his common name is Asif Zardari. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 15:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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That being said, a search for both terms indicates that he is referred to by either names in an equal manner and Google Trends favours the longer search term even if it is ever so slightly. – robertsky (talk) 04:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I will suggest having a discussion about this as the both name appears to be commonly used (example: Mohamed, Mohammed). Safari Scribe 05:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Robertsky I was specifically talking about Google Books searches, where you mostly find high-quality scholarly sources. The longer version is rarely used in books. While news and web sources might use both versions equally, the shorter version is clearly more common in book sources. Additionally, most Pakistani TV news channels refer to him using the shorter version. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The assertion that book sources more often use the short name doesn't seem to be borne out by an ngram search: . Moving to Contested, as this definitely needs a discussion, and I'm leaning oppose at present on common name grounds. — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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