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Rattlesnakes

I'm glad to see someone who has an understanding of rattlesnakes. I've come within close range of the critters on many occasion, by happenstance, and they've always seemed more scared of me than vice versa. I know, too, many friends who've also had very close encounters yet not one of us has ever been bitten. The people I know of, and have read about, who are bitten are those who try to pick up the snake. Pit vipers are not antagonistic towards people. It's likely that far more people have been killed by rodents, one way or another, than by snakes. -Will Beback 10:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Come to think of it, it may also be true that far more pit vipers have been killed by people than vice versa. I suppose that's unverifiable. Pity the poor rattlesnake - so misunderstood. -Will Beback 10:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

What about spiders? They get a really bad rep too.... RobertAustin 19:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Bad faith

I feel that your request on WP:RFPP over the protection of the Criticism of Misplaced Pages page was made in bad faith and followed up by false accusations against Raul654. You say that "Raul has been very outspoken on the issue on the talk page", but the only statement he has made there in well over a month is as follows:

Those people adding the links to Wikipediareview you mention are, by and large, the same people who have already been blocked/banned from Misplaced Pages. Insofar as they are concerned, you are confusing cause with effect. I am not assuming bad faith due to the fact that they inhabit wikipediareview; they inhabit wikipediareview because they were kicked off wikipedia after demonstrating their bad faith.

Furthermore, your claim that Wikipediareview contains relavant criticisms is simply untrue. If I want to read about Snowspinner's teeth, or see shock-pictures labeled as SlimVirgin, or read conspiracy theories about how jews like "Jewjg" are going to take over the world, I'll check Wikipediareview. On the other hand, if I want to read legit criticisms of Misplaced Pages, I'll go elsewhere. Raul654 07:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

This seems reasonable to me. You may disagree with his assessment; most Wikipedians would not. As an occasional reader of Misplaced Pages Review I think that is an accurate assessment.

At first I disagreed strongly with the remedies made in the arbitration case, but my eyes were opened when you edit warred with arbitrators on the proposed decision page. If you persist in attacks like the one on Raul654, I may go and seek the support of two other administrators (which I'm sure would be an easy task) for an appropriate restriction on your conduct, under the General Probation applied in remedy 2 of the arbitration case. --Tony Sidaway 18:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Having read this post, I simply must know everything there is to know about Snowspinner's teeth. I hope I haven't been sent on a fools errand here! Anon, and away! Hamster Sandwich 19:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

List of shock sites

Someone has put this up for deletion yet again. Care to cast your vote? Skinmeister 10:41, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Vandalism_of_Restroom.jpg

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Image:Three Triangles.svg

This is a derivative work of a logo owned by Nintendo. Please see http://www.zelda.com/universe/. Note that there is some discussion going on regarding a virtually identical image at Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems#Image:Triforce.svg. I've retagged this image as {{logo}} and it is now tagged with {{orfud}} as well. --Durin 14:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Brian Peppers

Creating Brian Peppers in popular culture was simply an attempt to get round other titles being protected. I don't care that your article is meticulously sourced and attempts to describe the phenomenon and not the man, have you actually seen Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 21/Brian Peppers? (I have salted your peppers article!) -- RHaworth 09:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

war on blogs

Thanks for checking through them. The need was evident-- I intended to check also but ran out of time.DGG 23:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:OTRS

Please do NOT revert WP:OTRS actions without discussion with the OTRS member. No, we are not infallible and you are entitled to question us. I could even be wrong here (I've not reviewed it yet), but you are not in possession of all the facts. My talk page is open if you want to discuss it.--Doc 08:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• Crotalus, Doc does not mean that OTRS actions may not be reverted, only that you you should find the reason for them, not just blindly revert. In this case, the author to whom the quote is attributed emailed OTRS, very offended, to protest that she said no such thing. You are welcome to follow up the reference and reinsert it if it is found to be accurate, but blindly reverting is not a good idea. Of course it would have helped if Doc had made this comment on Talk, but there are many cases where this kind of transparency cannot be offered without compromising confidentiality, so in the end sometimes you have to take someone's word for it, and responding to and closing an OTRS ticket is slow and laborious enough wihtout imposing additional burden on volunteers. Anyway, I don't think you are evil, or that OTRS is a magic talisman, only that the invocation of OTRS is a flag that caution is demanded; hopefully as an editor with long experience you will be able to accept that. Guy (Help!) 11:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • As I said, my talk page is open. Reverting without discussion is always poor form, and especially in cases like this where you are not in possession of full facts. I sometimes handle dozens of OTRS things a day - I don't pre-explain unless I suspect they may be controversial (with the backlog there is no time), but I respond quickly to questions and e-mails. Once we've discussed it, then you can consider whether it is wise to revert me. In any case, if I've made an error, i will often revert myself.--Doc 15:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Replied on Doc's talk page. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 23:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

WoW

Hi,

That MfD was ages ago, and in the intervening time, all vandal-naming pages have been deleted. A substantial portion of the deleted content is comprised of links (now RED links) of other similar vandals suspected of imitating WoW. I am reluctant to userfy the whole history to you, especially since numerous repostings have already been attempted in the months since the MfD. Perhaps you might give me some sense of what form you wish your recreation to take, and I could find the relevant information for you in the deleted diffs? It is good to see you back with us! :) Best wishes, Xoloz 14:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the "Stopbadware" image.

Thanks. It's linked from Stopbadware, incidentally; "What links here" will probably catch up to that overnight. --John Nagle 05:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for fair use image deletion: Image:Bhwii.jpg

(copied from User Talk:DESiegel) David, as an admin, could you please delete Image:Bhwii.jpg? This image is of very low quality (100x140), currently unused (and thus an orphaned Fair Use image, which violates policy), and it is redundant to Image:29472 jaqr bionicleheroesps2-1-.jpg (which is a reasonable 500x500 web-resolution image). Furthermore, inserting this image has been key to User:Toa Mario's disruption (six reverts in one day). I see no productive purpose served by the continued hosting of this image on Misplaced Pages and urge that it be removed. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 22:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

According to the WP:CSD I5 or I6, images such as this must be tagged for 7 days before they can be deleted. What you are askign for is in effect a speedy deletion in hours rather than days. I was one of those arguing msot strongly for the time delay when these CSD were approved, and I am never comfortable with bendign the speedy delte criteria. So, i'm sorry, but no. But reest assured that I will keep my eye on this situation. DES 22:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Toa Mario

I have now blocked User:Toa Mario and his obvious sock puppet (for 48 hours) for disruption and trying to game the 3RR. Perhaps that will let him cool down. DES 22:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 22:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Good to see you

I never have interacted with you, but I read the Tony Sidaway arbitration case with a sense of sickening dread, as I thought that a total and outright ban on userboxes was way over the top. I added you to the WP:MW list way back in June. I took a quick glance - and I hope those popular culture articles go down in flames! hbdragon88 05:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

• Replied on Hbdragon88's talk page. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 07:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Binary prefixes

Please stop removing binary prefixes when they are relevant. If you want to change the MoS, you know where you can express your view. Sarenne 17:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• I see no evidence that this particular section of the Manual of Style has any consensus from the Misplaced Pages community as a whole. As far as I can tell, no actual contributors to articles on 8-bit computers want these neologisms used. They keep getting added by drive-by editors without any consideration of the context and sourcing of the articles. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 19:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You'll find the consensus there . The context and the style of the sources don't matter according to the current MoS : when binary capacities are used, you should accept the use of binary prefixes. What you want is to change the MoS and removing binary prefixes is not the right way to do that. Sarenne 19:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, none of those individuals are substantial contributors to articles on 8-bit computing. I'm saying that the MoS doesn't have the authority to override the original sources and the consensus of editors who are actually knowledgable in the subject matter. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 19:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Of course MoS have "the authority to override the original sources and the consensus of editors who are actually knowledgable in the subject matter". Why is there a MoS ? If each article can have its own style, it's just useless. Misplaced Pages is a consistent encyclopedia, not separate articles with inconsistent styles. MoS should be applied with flexibility, but there's no reason why 8-bit computers should be an exception. Sarenne 19:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that MoS seems to have become its own little corner of Misplaced Pages where "consensus" is made in the dark, away from the eyes of people who are actually building the encyclopedia. 20 people on an obscure MoS page does not make "consensus" for the entire project, especially since consensus can change. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 19:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Those people should be aware that they are building an encyclopedia, not separate articles. They should go to the MoS by themselves, or at least when I put a link to the MoS in my edit summaries (and that's what I did when I added binary prefixes to MOS Technology 8563). Sarenne 19:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

3RR at Racism

You've violated WP:3RR at Racism. I strongly recommend you revert yourself, before you are blocked. Jayjg 05:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you re-added the "Zionism is Racism" section four times in a couple of hours, each time after it had been removed. Please revert yourself before you get blocked. Jayjg 05:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether they're simple or complex reverts; you keep re-adding the information about the UN Resolution. The policy is very clear on that, and you'll end up blocked. I'm about to press the button to file the report, but I'll give you a couple of minutes to revert yourself first. Jayjg 05:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Version reverted to: (note: specific changes were made to ensure this was more neutral. This was not just a revert to a previous version, but specifically took into account talk page criticism.)
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:

Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 06:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

You keep adding back the information about the Resolution, regardless of your justification. Just because you think it belongs, it doesn't mean it actually does, and it certainly does give you the freedom to revert it in as many times as you want. There's more to creating an article than mere insistence that the elements in it must be sourced. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and, as explained many times on the article Talk: page, that particular piece of information teaches us nothing about Racism, only about late 70s geopolitics. Jayjg 06:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)