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About deleting my Draft:World on the Brink article

Hi Jimfbleak,

When I submitted my draft for the book World on the Brink, I was assured that if it was not up to standards, I would receive constructive criticism on how to improve it. Instead, you deleted it, saying it is "just a book review." You may also recall that I originally posted a longer draft article, which you deleted because you thought I have a conflict of interest (I don't). I submitted the shorter version in order to remove anything even approaching an opinion about the book.

I would like to respectfully ask you how I should approach summarizing a book that I read and liked, and that is important to U.S. foreign policy, in such a way that you or others will not delete it. This is my first draft article and I would like to do more, but obviously I don't want them to be deleted. Please teach me.

Thank you, Fractal Figment (talk) 21:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Aside: Any idea why the draft is not showing up in the deleted contributions of Fractal Figment (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? —C.Fred (talk) 11:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

C.Fred, none whatsoever. I admit that I was baffled myself that it wasn't there despite what the deleted article history claims Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

C.Fred, I don't know if you've seen Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(technical)#Deleted_contributions_invisible yet. FWIW, the common.js script does what it says on the tin Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Deleted contribs

I see you first imported my script in User:Jimfbleak/common.js, then reverted and copied the whole script. Was there a problem? The import code should work but you may have to reload a user page with Ctrl+F5 in Windows browsers (not F5 alone). Scripts sometimes have to be updated when something changes and your copy might stop working some day. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, when I imported your script, I saw a message querying the presence of "user" so I assumed that I did something wrong and copied the whole script, which works fine. I'm happy for you to fix what I put, or tell me exactly what I should enter into the common.js. Sorry I've botched this Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Your js can only be edited by you and interface admins, not normal admins like me. I see no reason your current copy should behave differently from which works for me. Where did you see a message querying the presence of "user"? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, I didn't know that editing js was restricted even for admins, but I guess that makes sense. I originally copied what was on the VPT page, but I guess I forgot to stick importScript in front of it, despite every item starting with that. I suppose it's unsurprising that I got an error related to a line starting with "User", rather than what it should be Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I sometimes post install code when I mention a script but this time I only linked User:PrimeHunter/Deleted contribs.js which has install code in a comment. I could edit user and sitewide js when I became an admin but Misplaced Pages:Interface administrators was introduced in 2018. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

About deleting my article "The Repeating Ten-Year Music Cycle"

Hi Jimfbleak,

I know you were the last one to delete my article so I'm replying to you directly but hope Jéské Couriano reviews my re-submission . It was after multiple attempts with different editors, that Jéské Couriano told me the following "@Guy Zapoleon: You need to actually cite your sources, sticking to what those published sources explicitly say. The problem isn't a lack of sources, the problem is you aren't citing them and are expecting us (and by extension the readers) to accept what the article says on faith. We do not operate that way. —Jéské Couriano" I've hopefully done so in my latest submission which I'll be posting shortly I'm working hard to make my submission acceptable to Misplaced Pages and your rules.

Thank you,

Guy Guy Zapoleon (talk) 18:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Guy Zapoleon I'll leave it to the reviewers for now, but it has zero chance of acceptance. The whole text has just one bare url reference, to your own article. That's just your theory and there is nothing based on independent verifiable sources that supports your theory, or shows why it meets our notability guidelines. The rest of the text is just a text dump of your own views and opinions (with no wikilinks or references — is it copied from somewhere?) Also you haven't disclosed your obvious conflict of interest. It's also promotional, with totally unsourced claims like This theory has become well known respected and believed in by radio programmers and owners as well as many music label executives since it was first published. I'm sorry to say that you appear not to have looked at any other Misplaced Pages articles or editing guidance, and have just written what you want, not a recipe for your article surviving. Jéské Couriano gave you good advice which you have ignored Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Jimfbleak,

I wanted to spell check what I'd written as a word doc then transferred to Misplaced Pages so yes it is a text dump. And no, everything I have submitted was written by me originally, over time, beginning my 1992 article in Radio & Records. It is not promotional outside of taking credit for something that I've written about and its a 32 year accepted theory in the music and radio industry and published inside the industry and summitting it for public consumption.As far as respected, its been quoted all over the world I gave a few sources in my submission...in Australia and Germany. The verifiable information of the theory is all on the original text I submitted...genre balance, what causes the music cycle to shift etc. Don't know what else you or a reviewer needs to publish? Guy Zapoleon (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You said I gave a few sources in my submission... The verifiable information of the theory is all on the original text I submitted but that's simply not true. Your only in-line reference was this: {Cite journal|last=Denver|first=Joel|url=https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-10-09.pdf}}. The rest of the text was completely unsourced, basically just your unsupported claims, and self-promoting his theory has become well known respected and believed in by radio programmers and owners as well as many music label executives since it was first published. with absolutely nothing to prove that (if its even provable - has anyone done a survey?). And you still have not declared your COI on your user page as required by our T&Cs. I think it's fair to warn you that another attempt to promote your opinions without real evidence backed up by independent third-party sources will lead to a block Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Jimfbleak,

If I'm the original source of an observation that music genres change, around every ten years(with me describing those changes and what causes them). Well its an observation once pointed out by me, became obvious to "anyone" in our industry who has seen these changes occur decade after decade in the Billboard Hot 100 music charts, here in the U.S. since the Dawn of Rock & Roll through today. Besides describing the genre changes and the causes in my submission of the Ten Year Music Cycle, I additionally tried to clarify the cycles and phases by showing artists that typify each evolution or devolution of rock pop or R&B through each music cycle, listed here(and in my submission) https://guyzapoleon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Music-Cycle-by-Phase-2024-Artist-List.pdf.

When Misplaced Pages published a section on a 20 year fashion cycle ("Fashion forecasting - Misplaced Pages" "Fashion trends tend to repeat themselves every 20 years" or anything new theory for that matter there were often just an observation that they existed and verified based on observations given by knowledgable people(industry experts) in that particular industry. Similarly to the 20 year fashion cycle the Ten Year Music Cycle has been widely accepted. Whats my proof, it's published in the leading magazines of the Music and Radio industries, Radio & Records, AllAccess.com, Inside Radio, and written about by well known journalist Ben Fong Torres from Rolling Stone in his book and written about in the New York Times by then music editor Neil Strauss https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/21/arts/pop-view-birth-and-rebirth-on-the-airwaves.html It's referenced many times by other industry professionals over the past 32 years.

If there is anyone I could hire inside Misplaced Pages to help me I'd be glad to pay for that help?

Failing that I'm not sure what else I can do to convince you or anyone at Misplaced Pages, that this concept is worthy of publishing.

Thank you for your time,

Guy Guy Zapoleon (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Guy Zapoleon I don't know how many ways there are to say this, but Misplaced Pages will not accept unsourced articles. Basically you are saying stuff, and asking us to take it on trust. On, that basis, I could equally add to the text that the theory is now thought to have no validity amn and ask people to take what I say as gospel too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Guy Zapoleon (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the deletion of my article "Chariot Energy"

Hi Jimfbleak,

I just saw that my page 'Chariot Energy' was recently deleted but I am looking for the page to be re-reviewed. It says it was deleted as it was similar to the last deleted page, but I've made the revision to the 'advertising' language. I have worked hard to eliminate this language and get it to conform with the rules of Misplaced Pages. Could you please review again?

Thank you, Edgar at ChariotEnergy (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Edgar at ChariotEnergy Why are you posting here and simultaneously posting another non-compliant article without waiting to establish why I deleted it first time? I haven't blocked you yet because you declared your COI, but please don't edit again until I've posted guidance on your talk page, which will be later today Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Now replied on user talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of my Article of Soulan

I have sources for my article Soulan (Black American) why was my aricle was deleted? Can you please bring page my Article with these sources. I cant add books. I can add other source pertain

https://marochorus.com/blogs/news/who-is-soulan-soulaan-defined-by-the-creators-themselves-1

https://www.thewanderingafro.com/soulaan/

https://www.originalblackamericanheritageflag.com DCole0608 (talk) 02:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page, problems with notability and referencing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

So someone with notoriety and they have to reference it in a article? DCole0608 (talk) 02:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

DCole0608 as I've said on your talk page, real facts, not opinions, evidence of why they make your word notable as defined here, and sourced to reputable independent third-party sources Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Corey Ceccarelli

Query on deletion of my draft article of artist Corey Ceccarelli on August 8th.

Hello could you please explain why you have deleted my draft article on the artist Corey Ceccarelli, if you had an issue why wouldn't it be possible to give me the chance to adjust and edit this information? Please could you restore it so this is possible.

You named vanity but I have no connection to the artist just that I admire his work and believe he deserves recognition as an artist.

If the article requires more in depth citation I can provide this.

Thank you in advance

RobynSomer (talk) 14:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC).

Replied on user talk page, largely unreferenced spam Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello again - please could you reinstate so I can reference what you refer to as spam...

There are only factual statements and I am certain these can be backed up by the many publications/articles Corey Ceccarelli is spoken of in. Again deleting the page seems very much like a quick opinion based action than an emotionally intelligent well thought through research based reaction.

Best,

Robyn RobynSomer (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

RobynSomer you've missed the point. Opinions, rather than facts, are worthless here, even if you source them. And you have an unusual idea of what a factual statement is when you write just what your opinions of his work were. What we need is real facts with proper independent references to show that he meets the notability criteria. You need to start from scratch, but since you have no connection with him, why not try something easier? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I should make it clear that even if the opinions you give are not yours, and you can source them, they are still opinions, not real facts Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

RobynSomer if you really want the text, email me and I'll send it to you (see the sidebar on this page) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

One Water Deletion

Hello Jimfbleak,

Can you help me understand why my One Water LA Plan page was deleted? It was marked as promotional material, however, I don't feel the copy was promoting any organization. I only linked to credible sources which included the city of LA's sanitation website and a link to the lead consultants website, which contains specific information that is not published online anywhere else.

I have no affiliation with the city of LA or any companies on the project. My only intent was to add more information about this project as the current information online is sparce and inaccurate at times.

This project is exciting for the city as California has experienced a number of droughts that have negatively impacted the environment.

Any help or guidance is appreciated.

ReactExpert (talk) 15:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Subject: Inquiry Regarding Deletion of Thomas D. Bell Jr. Article

Hi,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently contributed an article about Thomas D. Bell Jr., but it was deleted within hours and marked as promotional or advertising material. I was surprised by this and wanted to understand the reasoning behind the decision.

Thomas D. Bell Jr. has made significant contributions to both Atlanta and the broader U.S. economy through his leadership roles in companies like Norfolk Southern, the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, and the United States Chamber of Commerce under President Obama. He was even named Georgia’s Most Respected Businessman, alongside other notable figures like the leaders of Coca-Cola, Delta, and Home Depot.

One of the most impactful moments of his career was his $40 million donation to Grady Memorial Hospital, which saved Atlanta’s only Level 1 Trauma Center from closing. This action had a profound effect on the city, both in terms of healthcare and its overall infrastructure.

I aimed to document these contributions based on numerous reliable sources, including publicly traded companies and various publications. My intention was not to promote Mr. Bell but to provide a well-rounded account of his impact.

I would greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions on how I might revise the article to better align with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and ensure it does not come across as promotional. Your feedback would be invaluable in helping me contribute effectively to Misplaced Pages.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

AtlantaHistory101 (talk) 05:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)AtlantaHistory101AtlantaHistory101 (talk) 05:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:33, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:National Digital Library of India

Happy if you have time for an input *winks* 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥 15:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥 I've posted an edit war warning on his talk page, so let's see if he continues... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Inquiry Regarding Deletion of Draft: Raghav Khanna

Hello,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently contributed an article about Raghav Khanna, an Indian producer, but it was deleted shortly after being submitted. The draft was marked as promotional or advertising material, which came as a surprise to me. I intended to document Mr. Khanna's contributions to the Indian film and entertainment industry, drawing from reliable sources, including interviews, publications, and media coverage.

My goal was not to promote Mr. Khanna but to provide an accurate and well-rounded account of his work and impact on the industry. I believe his achievements are noteworthy and deserve a place on Misplaced Pages.

I would greatly appreciate any guidance or suggestions on how I can revise the article to better adhere to Misplaced Pages's guidelines and ensure it meets the standards of neutrality and verifiability. Your feedback would be incredibly helpful as I work to contribute more effectively to Misplaced Pages.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Arpitam03 (talk) 10:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page: COI, no proper refs, promotional tone. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I had linked IMDB pages for his work as well as news articles. Arpitam03 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Arpitam03 Please read the guidance on your talk page. The imdb was an external link, not a reference, and in any case an imdb page for a film he wrote and direct isn't exactly an independent third-party source. And what you call "news articles" are actually interviews with him, also not an independent source. And you still haven't declared your COI as required Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Unfair deletion of User:Invisiboy42293/Body Void

Hate to be like this but the deletion of my draft for User:Invisiboy42293/Body Void makes no sense. It was not "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" - I have no connection to the band and there was no promotional text on the page, or much prose at all beyond the lead sentence - nor was it "Misuse of Misplaced Pages as a web host" - it was a userspace draft, something I and countless Wikipedians have made many times to draft articles, and it wasn't even up for two hours before getting deleted. It was an article in development, and I can't think of anything about the formatting or sourcing that would've warranted this. I also was given no notice on my user talk page, something I'm given to understand is required for deletions like this. I genuinely don't understand this, as none of my other userspace drafts have been spontaneously deleted like this (even ones that probably had cause to be), and I would like either a better explanation or, if warranted, an undeletion. Invisiboy42293 (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll restore and remove the U5 tag Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciate it! :) -Invisiboy42293 (talk) 19:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Igor Merezhko (talk) 15:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC) Hello. The page containing information about the professional hockey player has been removed. Why? Igor is the captain of the national team. The best player in the Danish League and the Slovak Extraliga.

Replied on user talk page, unreferenced autobiography posted on user page as web host violation Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Shahmee Saheedh

Hi Jimfbleak. Since you deleted Shahmee Saheedh a few weeks back, I'm wondering if you could take a look at Draft:Shahmee Saheedh. The same user created both, and perhaps there's no harm no foul as long as they don't try to move the draft to the mainspace. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Marchjuly I've excised a fair bit of the self-praise too, let's see... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of Taighde Eireann page

Hi Jim, could the page added for Taighde Eireann be restored please? It was deleted for being unambigous but this is a government research funding agency in Ireland. The current information on the page is limited as two organisations (Science Foundation Ireland and Irish Research Council) are in the process of amalgamating. More information will be added to the page in the coming weeks. Wikilosci (talk) 10:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikilosci why are you wasting my time here when you just went ahead and recreated the same non-compliant text as before as a draft? Which has, of course, been declined again. You cannot expect an unreferenced text dumps to be accepted, you also need to show notability as defined in the link. Also, ou have an obvious conflict of interest and you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for an organisation, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. If you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at Jimfbleak. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Jimfbleak|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jim. First time building a page. Apologies - i can see the issue with citations. Let me resolve this. Wikilosci (talk) 09:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wikilosci: you've copypasted the template from the above message a bit too literally, it now says on User:Wikilosci that Jimfbleak works for ResearchIreland (which could be true, I supposed, but not what you needed to disclose). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wikilosci and DoubleGrazing:, I've fixed the declaration code, and in the interest of transparency I'll confirm that I don't work for that organisation (: Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Apologies! Thank you for fixing. Wikilosci (talk) 10:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Haha! :) I don't work for them, either (not that anyone asked, but just wanted to volunteer that). I'm sure it's a perfectly decent organisation to work for, though. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Abdullah Al Mamun (cricketer)

A tag has been placed on Abdullah Al Mamun (cricketer) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Misplaced Pages, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. C F A 💬 15:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Un-salting Jeonghan

Hi Jimfbleak, I wanted to reach out about an article that was repeatedly recreated five years ago, Jeonghan. I'm not at all questioning that decision as at that point the subject certainly would not have yet warranted an article. However, it has been a long time since then, and he now meets many of the notability guidelines at WP:SINGER so I was hoping we could un-salt the article space. There's a draft at Draft:Jeonghan which covers his career to date, including significant coverage in Korean, Japanese and global media. Orangesclub (talk) 03:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Orangesclub changed to autoconfirmed access Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Appreciated! Orangesclub (talk) 12:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

retrieve my deleted page

hey can you put sheen huth back to my user page Sheenhx (talk) 11:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Sheenhx I'm prepared to restore the text, but I think you need some guidance before you try again, otherwise you might get yourself blocked. Unfortunately, I haven't got time right now, about to go out, but I'll post as soon as I can, might not be until tomorrow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page, self-praise with mainly junk refs Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)