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https://en.wikipedia.org/J%C3%B3sef_Kami%C5%84ski_(Polish_colonel)

Hello Vanderwaalforces,

I have added a citation (quote box with ref) to the article https://en.wikipedia.org/J%C3%B3sef_Kami%C5%84ski_(Polish_colonel)

Could yopu please review it and put the refimprove off? Ska2023 (talk) 15:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ska2023 Hi there. There are several unsourced statements in the article still, there is even an entire “Family” section that is unsourced. Therefore, the refimprove tag is still very much necessary. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, could you please tell me whether I shall add some photos of the family documents or refs to official records? Ska2023 (talk) 15:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not know what you mean by family documents, but if it’s what I think then it might fail WP:INDEPENDENT. If you have access to official records or something of the like, then you could cite them as well, this means saying where you read it as opposed to uploading the documents on Misplaced Pages. I’d recommend you read WP:CITINGSOURCES for a comprehensive guide. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Vanderwaalforces Added the photo of the excerpt from the Josef's autobiography document related to the family.

Could you please tell me whether it's enough? Ska2023 (talk) 08:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

NPP copyvio check

Hello! I'm letting you know that after identifying some copyright violations, I found you had patrolled one of the user's articles last month at Jean Bieler. The articles in question were copied and pasted directly from the associated sources. Just wanted to make sure you were informed of this. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien Snap! I saw this, didn’t know I already marked before seeing. Thanks for notifying me. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter Hello and welcome to the September newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. Election news: Project coordinators play an important role in our WikiProject. Following the mid-year Election of Coordinators, we welcomed Mox Eden to the coordinator team. Dhtwiki remains as Lead Coordinator, and Miniapolis and Wracking returned as assistant coordinators. If you'd like to help out behind the scenes, please consider taking part in our December election – watchlist our ombox for updates. Information about the role of coordinators can be found here. Blitz: 13 of the 24 editors who signed up for the June 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 169,404 words comprising 41 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: 38 of the 59 editors who signed up for the July 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 482,133 words comprising 293 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: 10 of the 15 editors who signed up for the August 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 71,294 words comprising 31 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: Sign up here to earn barnstars in our month-long, in-progress September Backlog Elimination Drive. Progress report: As of 05:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 233 requests since 1 January, and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,824 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we do without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Mox Eden and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Promotion of National symbols of Nigeria

Request for clarification

Hello. I created a draft sometime ago which I submitted for approval so it could be assessed. You made an allegation which I would love to be clarified. I want to know on what grounds you suspect a ‘COI’. My highest area of interest is with creating pages which I ensure meets the ‘notability’ requirements before creating an article. I am willing to take up this issue before the administrators’ board for ‘false accusation’, but I thought it wiser to first seek clarification.

Also, I would appreciate a further clarification on how ‘notability’ was not met. Is it in terms of references or?

Best regards.

Mevoelo (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mevoelo Hi there. Do you really want to take it the administrator’s noticeboard? It might end up being a WP:BOOMERANG. I do not like doing that but if you’re sure of it, please go ahead. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Vanderwaalforces. I have moved the draft to main space (Nelly Agbogu). I asked for clarification on what you meant by ‘utterly fails GNG’ but didn’t get a feedback on that.

Although, I have made some major edits and added more reliable citations (which you can check out); feel free to AfD the article if you’re still convinced that it does not meet GNG. I would love to see the views of other NEUTRAL editors. If it ends as a delete, I will be much more satisfied.

Also, I am going to categorically state that I HAVE NO AFFILIATION NEITHER HAVE I EVER RECEIVED ANY COMPENSATION OR REWARD FOR ANY EDIT(S) ON WIKIPEDIA. I focus more on article creation in line with Wiki editorial guidelines because that is what I can do best and have familiarized myself with. Sometimes, I envy editors like you who have become really vast and technical here within a short time, but I will advise that you still maintain carefulness in your approach. You can do well to check my previous creations. While I do not claim perfection, I have always been open to correction and learning — which is evident in our past discussions. Do not just go ahead and add a ‘COI’ tag without proper check or at least, reaching out.

Best regards. Mevoelo (talk) 03:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mevoelo The problem here is that you're refusing to be level-headed. You came to my talk page in the name of requesting for a clarification of a draft rejection I made while stating that you want to go to administrators' noticeboard for false accusation on you. Maybe you don't know the place, it's WP:ANI. I have asked you to go there but you haven't. You're refusing to be patient and wait for a reply and being dramatic. If you HAVE NO AFFILIATION NEITHER HAVE I EVER RECEIVED ANY COMPENSATION OR REWARD FOR ANY EDIT(S) ON WIKIPEDIA then you would not immediately removed the AfC template from the draft, and of course, even though that was reverted, still went ahead to move the page to mainspace. This is only making my suspicion clear about your conflict of interest in the subject (and several other subjects you've written about). I have to be honest with you that a behaviour like this is only going to raise eyebrows.

Perhaps, you can now see the reasons it is not suitable for a standalone page at the AfD. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Vanderwaalforces. Hope you’re fine?

Thanks for the review and the nomination. I am very open to the views of other NEUTRAL editors. Like I said, I am less interested in the article itself staying. I am more interested in seeing the views of other editors because not only did you refuse to give clarifications, but I sense a form of ‘bias’ in your judgments — seeing the articles you’ve also reviewed yourself. I asked for clarification on what ‘aspect’ of GNG you meant, which you refused to respond. About the COI assumption, I think it’s baseless trying to speak further on it.

Kindly reread my messages on your talk page for better understanding. There is no need for further discussions, thank you for your good work.

Best regards. Mevoelo (talk) 11:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Mevoelo, can you link such page for the sake of clarity? Best, Reading Beans 16:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Here it is @Reading Beans

Draft:Nelly Agbogu

I submitted a draft cause I wanted it to be assessed. Surprisingly, a COI tag was added, I believe without proper checks. I have asked for clarification so I can understand how in any case to improve the article, especially on the basis which @Vanderwaalforces gave which is not meeting GNG. From my own experience and knowledge, the subject is really notable — which prompted me to create an article. It’s not an do or die affair BUT I believe asking for clarification and explanation especially is not out of place.

Best. Mevoelo (talk) 19:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Ovia River Article

Hi there. What do you think about the idea of moving the Ovia River article to a title of 'Osse River'. From quick research, the later name seems to be more popular/dominant throughout Nigeria (Including within Edo state). The name Ovia seems to be geographically limited in scope to a subsection of the Bini (Benins). The other groups along its course; The Oras, Yorubas, Some Binis, Afenmais groups do not know this name but call it Osse. On the other hand, the Benin people know both names for the river. There also seem to be more primary sources as well as various previous research listing the river as Osse/Ose than Ovia. A subsection can be included in the Osse river article about its role in the history of the Edo groups found along its lower course.

Kind regards. Oramfe (talk) 18:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Oramfe Hi there. If you ask me to be honest with you, I was surprise to see that the Ovia river that I know is the same river called Osse. The day that alternate name was added to the article was the day I knew it was also called Osse. So right now, I can’t be so sure of what the common name is. Literally nobody (based on my personal research) was able to tell when I mentioned Osse river, until I mentioned Ovia. I of course checked sources too but found Ovia to be popular. But the fact that Osse River currently have a hatnote pointing to Ovia River, then things seems fine to me, also especially when we indicated the aka in the article itself. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, I think then that it is a matter of our differing points of reference, you coming from the Benin side and myself from the side outside the Benin cultural area. Literally no one I know is aware this river is also called Ovia. (Although I did know). It is similar to how the Yoruba people know the Siluko river as Owena.

We can both keep an eye out.

Regards. Oramfe (talk) 19:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Oramfe Hehehe, that is very true. It’s okay though. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

NPP Copyright checks part 2

Hey, I noticed you recently reviewed the page Boris Vishnevskiy. It, as shown by the article history and source access dates, was an incorrectly attributed translation of an ruWiki page. When you see these in the queue, please let the translator know how to correctly attribute translations (I often use the Template:Uw-translation), and please fix the attribution yourself by following the instructions at WP:RIA. Copyright checks are very important. Please don't skimp on them!

Courtesy ping to @Clovermoss to keep you in the loop, seeing as you granted the right most recently. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 19:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian Hi there, thank you for notifying me. I see clearly that you have notified the user who translated this page from ruwiki, and I have also seen that you have attributed correctly to the ruwiki article. Thank you again for notifying me. I will keep an eye for translated pages like this.

But I do not get your point of pinging Clovermoss because it seems pointless to me as she is not the who have done over 1500 patrols in the past two weeks, neither is she the one who reviewed this very page. She’s not the user who has collected praises for the reviews and should not be the one to be pinged in this case. Again, thank you for bringing this minor attribution check to my notice, but pinging Clovermoss is pointless. Happy editing, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I think she just wanted me to be aware of any possible issues just in case. A ping isn't the end of the world and I don't mind it. I'm not going come here to yell at you because you didn't do everything perfectly every time. Just take feedback to heart whenever someone has any, especially given your rate of reviewing. Sometimes errors can pile up when you're doing that much (not saying that's what happening here, this is probably a one-off situation). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Vanderwaalforces - thank you for responding so quickly! It's not a minor attribution check, however - without the attribution, it is a copyright violation of the original ru Wiki article. Fortunately, it's often the easier type of violation to fix. The more severe copyright violations in the article, which I have also just fixed, can be a bit more difficult. (Especially because I don't speak Russian.)

And the reason I pinged Clovermoss was, really, for the exact reasons she said - she can see a lot more than I can when it comes to the above G12, and I thought she might like to be kept in the loop. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian Acknowledge. I guess it would have not been easy for me since I do not understand the Russian language. Either ways, thank you again, this is very much appreciated. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry, I find it difficult too! I actually don't review articles primarily based on languages I don't understand for that reason. Doing copyvio and verification checks via Google Translate is hardly my idea of fun. I don't know how people like you do it! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I've done a spot check of reviews you've done in the past 12 hours.

• You reviewed Ministry of Finance (East Germany) (300 words) twenty-two seconds after your previous review. The article contained an unattributed translation.
• Battle of Ofakim (1200 words) twenty-five seconds after after your previous review. The page contained an unattributed translation.
• 2024 state visit by Kais Saied to China(360 words) eighty-two seconds after your previous review. The page contained copyright violations of the Chinese-language news articles.
• List of Justiça episodes (10k words) fifteen seconds after your previous review. This was an unattributed split.
• Poova Thalaya (TV series) (260 words) thirty-six seconds after your previous review. This article contained an advertisement copy-pasted in from the subject's website.
• Prostokvashino (animated series) eighteen seconds after your previous review. This article contained an unattributed translation.
• Yitzhak Shamir Road (450 words) ten seconds after your previous review. This article contained an unattributed translation.

While it's great that you've been so enthusiastic, this is a high error rate. And, while we all make mistakes (goodness knows what a methodical examination of my own editing history might uncover), there's a reason I highlighted seconds between reviews. You're consistently reviewing two or three article per minute, often article that are entirely dependent on sources in languages you don't speak. Given that the number of words the average adult can read per minute is 238, I don't think you can even be reading the articles before you approve them, let alone opening, translating, and skimming the non-English language sources.

@Clovermoss Sorry it's looking like a pattern, not a one off. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for letting me know. It is concerning that you've been able to find all of these in the past 12 hours. I would've hoped that they slowed down a little since the feedback you provided earlier today. I think it's useful to have a growth mindset – I haven't given up on you yet, Vanderwaalforces! I understand that it sucks to be under a spotlight like this. While I'm incredibly forgiving of mistakes, please slow down to ensure accuracy and address GreenLipstickLesbian's concerns. I'm not trying to get you in trouble but I am going to ping Novem Linguae and Hey man im josh for their thoughts here. They are more experienced at NPP than even I am and hopefully they'll be able to offer some helpful advice. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian Thank you for spotting these issues, again. I would like to know the best practices in spotting Interwiki copyvios, because the regular copy bio checker we have did not make provisions for that. There are two perspectives here, firstly, let’s say a page is not correctly attributing its translation source but at least mentions in the edit summary that it’s from xxwiki, can we rely on machine translation to check Interwiki copyvio?

Secondly and most importantly, let’s say the page author did not mention at all what the source of the translation is (not in the edit summary, not later added), how am I going to spot that, I mean is that supposed to be an actual problem with me? This is concerning for me because most of the issues you’ve pointed out where translations where it was not mentioned at all whether it was a translation.

I need to know the proper processes so that situations like this don’t happen in the future.

Courtesy ping to @Hey man im josh and @Novem Linguae who could of course help, because I really need help on this :) --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello all. Interwiki copyvios are very hard to spot. For Boris Vishnevskiy, I would have probably missed it myself as it would require reading every edit summary in the history in order to find the edit summary "translation from ru wiki", and that is not a normal part of my NPP workflow.

I may actually put in a request for a user script to help detect unattributed translations at WP:US/R. I'd write the script myself, but I am pretty busy this month.

As for missing regular copyvios, I've found the best way to not miss copyvios is to run the Earwig copyvio tool on every single NPP/AFC review I do. This can be tough sometimes when the tool runs out of daily credits, but I tested it right now and it's working right now, so that's a good sign.

While it may be a bit "annoying" that the person letting you know about this concern pinged Clovermoss, I think it'd be good to let that slide in the future. When one is confronted with a clear mistake in their reviewing, the response should really be an apology with no pushback. Pushing back is not a great look.

Of course, please be careful of reviewing too fast. That can lead to mistakes. Any article that isn't an auto-SNG pass should probably take a few minutes to review, because one has to click open sources and read them and evaluate them for GNG.

Also, please be careful of high volume reviewing. High volume reviewing means that if your internal mental reviewing flowchart isn't perfect, one may review a lot of articles wrong before it's pointed out and corrected.

I'd be OK with taking no action on these concerns as long as all these issues are fixed from all reviews starting now. I hope this helps. Thank you for your efforts Vanderwaalforces. Happy editing everyone. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

P.S. I have put in a user script creation request at Misplaced Pages:User scripts/Requests#Warn the user about unattributed translations for a tool to help spot unattributed translations. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae Thank you very much :) I came up with this, by the way, User:Vanderwaalforces/checkTranslationAttribution.js. I have tested on some pages and it works for me, mind trying? GreenLipstickLesbian also, mind trying? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Wow, very nice. I tested it a little and it works great at detecting Boris Vishnevskiy translation copyvio issues. I'm on Vector 2010 and the warning bar is overlapping my p-personal though. You can see the issue here. If you get a minute, feel free to fix that :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae Ah, thanks for that. I was blind with the skin. Will debug and fix. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae I guess I did a very lazy fix, lmao, but the "p-personal" does not seem to work for me, that is, I could not place it there without overlapping the bar. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

If you want, try placing it a bit lower on the page using $( '#contentSub' ).before(. This should make it work on every skin, without needing to check mw.config.get( 'wgSkin' ) or use special logic for each skin. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae does that script work on drafts? Asking from an AfC perspective. (Hey Vanderwaalforces! Been a while.). S0091 (talk) 17:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it should work on drafts :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@S0091 Indeed, been a while. It is programmed to work on drafts too even though I have not tested it on draft, do let me know if it works on drafts please :) thank you! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae Okay, looks like I'd try that contentSub thingy then. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae Okay, it is now displaying in the contentSub area :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Nigeria Barnster of National Merit

I award this barnstar to you for your exceptional work on the National symbols of Nigeria page. By achieving Featured List status, you’ve not only elevated the quality of Misplaced Pages content but have also made a significant contribution to the Nigerian Misplaced Pages community. This is a historic milestone, as it marks the first time a Nigerian-related topic has reached Featured List status on English Misplaced Pages. Your dedication, research, and writing skills have been instrumental in creating a comprehensive, informative, and visually appealing article. Your achievement serves as an inspiration to other editors and contributors. Thank you for your hard work and commitment to Misplaced Pages. Best, Reading Beans 21:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Reading Beans It is quite surprising to see that this is the first FL on a Nigerian topic. Thank you so much for the commendation, and for your works here too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)