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Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome PamD! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
Fix a random page lacking sourcesCactiStaccingCrane (talk)15:39, 2 February 2024 UTC via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)Note for Talk Page Watchers: this is about edits to Lizzi Collinge and Louise Pryor.
Hi PamD. LinkedIn is not ok. It is non-rs and you keep using as though it is a valid secondary source. Its not. It a social media site and anything written by the person himself is WP:PRIMARY. scope_creep 08:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- It should never be used in any WP:BLP in any instance. It a really poor choice to construct an article. scope_creep 08:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Scope creep The chain of links from WP:PRIMARY led me to WP:SELFPUB, which I read as allowing use of the subject's own LinkedIn page for simple hard facts like studies and previous employment, though it would not be used to establish notability. PamD 11:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- To be more precise: WP:ABOUTSELF. PamD 11:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your rationalising it. I don't understand why those folk, wikipedia editor states such nonsense as though its valid. It shows a level of earnestness, ignorance and to a certain extent innocence that is not reflected in reality. Folk lie through their teeth all the time, particularly on social media sites. Their whole psychology is bent out of shape and that alters their perception leading them down paths in any other situation wouldn't happen. That is a known fact. Not a single line text is valid source. Even about a month and a half, two months ago there was a report in the times about folk on LinkedIn using AI to jack up their profiles. It so predominant and so widespread the site doesn't know what to do about it. I would sincerely like you not to use it. All its doing is adding work that needs to fixed later by somebody else, damaging the article in the short term and lowering the quality of the article in the present. If this was a new editor I would have moved that article to draft. It is a really poor choice. scope_creep
- @Scope creep: I don't know what you mean by "rationalising". I am following the policy set out at WP:ABOUTSELF. I do not believe that it damages the quality of an article about an MP or a highly-regarded actuary, to WP:AGF and use their own LinkedIn page for checkable statements about their academic degrees and past employment. People in positions like that have too much to lose to consider "jacking up their profiles". We're not talking about some wannabe startup entrepreneur who might be tempted to inflate their profile. PamD 14:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment above, is what rationalising means. I'm not talking about some entrepreneur. The evidence is clear is day on this, even with people in power and if you looked, you'd find it. It happens all the time, and you can't mame an objective decision based on it, because you don't who is lying and who is not, until they are discovered (that is the real source, because its secondary). The whole thing is entirely subjective. Its the human condition, yet your rationalising it, that its somehow ok because the policy says so, even when its written by people who don't have a clue about it and honestly don't care. Using social media in this manner is one the biggest burden on Misplaced Pages editors time, to clean these article up. scope_creep 15:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not continue to "clean up" my policy-based edits. You have your opinions, but WP:ABOUTSELF is policy. Removing content without policy-based reason is disruptive editing. PamD 15:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment above, is what rationalising means. I'm not talking about some entrepreneur. The evidence is clear is day on this, even with people in power and if you looked, you'd find it. It happens all the time, and you can't mame an objective decision based on it, because you don't who is lying and who is not, until they are discovered (that is the real source, because its secondary). The whole thing is entirely subjective. Its the human condition, yet your rationalising it, that its somehow ok because the policy says so, even when its written by people who don't have a clue about it and honestly don't care. Using social media in this manner is one the biggest burden on Misplaced Pages editors time, to clean these article up. scope_creep 15:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Scope creep: I don't know what you mean by "rationalising". I am following the policy set out at WP:ABOUTSELF. I do not believe that it damages the quality of an article about an MP or a highly-regarded actuary, to WP:AGF and use their own LinkedIn page for checkable statements about their academic degrees and past employment. People in positions like that have too much to lose to consider "jacking up their profiles". We're not talking about some wannabe startup entrepreneur who might be tempted to inflate their profile. PamD 14:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your rationalising it. I don't understand why those folk, wikipedia editor states such nonsense as though its valid. It shows a level of earnestness, ignorance and to a certain extent innocence that is not reflected in reality. Folk lie through their teeth all the time, particularly on social media sites. Their whole psychology is bent out of shape and that alters their perception leading them down paths in any other situation wouldn't happen. That is a known fact. Not a single line text is valid source. Even about a month and a half, two months ago there was a report in the times about folk on LinkedIn using AI to jack up their profiles. It so predominant and so widespread the site doesn't know what to do about it. I would sincerely like you not to use it. All its doing is adding work that needs to fixed later by somebody else, damaging the article in the short term and lowering the quality of the article in the present. If this was a new editor I would have moved that article to draft. It is a really poor choice. scope_creep
- To be more precise: WP:ABOUTSELF. PamD 11:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Scope creep The chain of links from WP:PRIMARY led me to WP:SELFPUB, which I read as allowing use of the subject's own LinkedIn page for simple hard facts like studies and previous employment, though it would not be used to establish notability. PamD 11:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- It should never be used in any WP:BLP in any instance. It a really poor choice to construct an article. scope_creep 08:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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| I was reading an article from quora which says Senior Misplaced Pages editors are unwelcoming and hateful which you proved wrong. Thanks you very much for going extra mile to edit and adjust the pages I created and for your constructive comments on how to continue on Misplaced Pages. Much love!!!Amistkilo (talk) 13:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC) |
- Thank you @Amistkilo: I try to be helpful. (But please don't forget to fix that second sentence of Scott Zeron which doesn't yet make sense!) PamD 13:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I will fix it. Thanks you! Amistkilo (talk) 13:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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It's not just WP that puts "Mayor" in lower case when preceded by a modifier: go to google.com and search for site:thetimes.com "former mayor of london", or theguardian.com, which provides similar results. Happy editing! Chris the speller 14:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Chris the speller I still think it looks better with "M", but even my favourite style guide uses "m" so it's not a hill I'm bothered about fighting on! We are gloriously inconsistent, even when its not preceded by a modifier - search Misplaced Pages on "mayor London" to see. PamD 15:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for helping me with your suggestions to make my articles better. Strawberries are especially sweet in late May/June and again at this time of year. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
Thank you, @Allthemilescombined1: we enjoyed some just yesterday, though the UK-grown season is coming to an end! Happy to help - and Patti Varol was an interesting read. PamD 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, if you get a chance, could you look at what I wrote on my User Page and tell me if it makes sense, needs more explanation, or is just too corny and needs a serious rewrite? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 01:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Short Decent Stubs
Hello @PamDhow are you? I remembered you helped me with my first published page :-) Thank you.
You also said you made short decent stubs of topics and I wondered if there was a video tutorial on how to do this? I get come across lots of useful topics during my writing work but I don't have the time to do full pages.
It is really frustrating! The Nookster (talk) 09:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hallo again @The Nookster. I can't think of any particular tutorial (there may be good stuff out there but I'm not familiar with it all), but a few key points, apart from the stuff I said before, would be:
- Check thoroughly that there isn't already an article on the topic. Check variant names you find in any sources. Even if you're going to start the article in draft, act as if you're going to start it in mainspace and look to see whether any message pops up about it being deleted in the past - sometimes it'll be because AfD decided it wasn't notable, but other times because the person who started it was then blocked as a sockpuppet, or because it was entirely Copyright theft, leaving it free to be re-created. It can be useful to follow the "What links here" link too, to see if it's been discussed anywhere, or linked from other articles.
- If there is already an article at the title you want to use, work out how to disambiguate the new one, by adding "(writer)" or whatever.
- Be sure that the topic satisfies WP:Notability. Some categories of topics are more-or-less automatically notable, like members of a national parliament etc (SEE WP:NPOL) or legally-recognised populated places; there are special rules for academics at WP:NPROF; and so on.
- Be sure you have at least 2, preferably 3, Reliable independent published sources. These don't have to be online, eg if you have a book in front of you or a newspaper clipping which shows the newspaper, date and page as well as the article title, but online sources are popular as they can be more easily verified.
- If you meet the criteria, use The Misplaced Pages Library for access to all sorts of wonderful online sources.
- Even just for a stub, remember to make clear in the first sentence why we should be interested in the topic: "X (dates) is a Y-ish Z" and their main claim to notability.
- Actually, something you might find helpful is the template I use, at User:PamD/sandbox#Bio stub starter - I use it to remind myself of the basic infrastructure. "In use" stays for the duration of the editing session, and "Under construction" for up to a week if still working on it. Just copy and paste that outline, and it'll be a start.
- Edit carefully, check that all the links go where you expect them to (and not to a disambiguation page, or a footballer where you're expecting a physicist, or whatever), read through for typos, check that punctuation is in front of references, that you haven't used "curly" quotes/apostrophes, etc
- And create a basic talk page with a couple of relevant WikiProject banners, including the appropriate Women in Red one (if nothing specific, then WIR|293 for "#1day1woman".
- Make incoming redirects from all plausible versions of the name (married / middle / versions found in sources), to help readers and to help prevent someone else from creating a duplicate. If at this point you find a duplicate, and it's definitely the same person, then stop. Add your new content, if any, to that article. If you're convinced it's at the wrong title, then suggest a move using the Request Move process. Don't copy and paste anyone else's work to a new title.
- If your title has a disambiguation, like "(writer)", then be sure that it is listed at the basic title, whether this is by adding or expanding a hatnote, adding an entry on a talk page, or if need be creating a new disambiguation page. By whatever means, you need to make sure that the reader looking for the topic will be able to find it!
- Well, I hope some of that lot helps - rather random jottings while listening to the Sunday omnibus of The Archers! Happy Editing! PamD 11:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at your user page : I see you're a professional "content creator", so you need to be familiar with Misplaced Pages's rules about WP:COI and WP:PAID, if you're considering editing for pay.
- I see also that you've marked a lot of contributions as "minor", although sometimes they include adding new text as here. Some editors get very upset about that: minor is supposed to be only very, very, minor: slight formatting changes, very obvious typo fix, etc. See Help:Minor for more info. I don't bother marking anything as "minor", myself. PamD 11:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello again @PamD yes I know about the paid for content ethics and agree whole-heartedly with them. I've been a sporadic Wikipedian! I love the project so much :-) It makes me really happy being an editor on here too. A real delight to see some little fact appear and help in my own small way to the knowledge bank. I hope to be able to do more when I'm old and stuck in front of the fire! Hope The Archers was good! I'm more of a desert island discs person at the moment. Thanks for the note on minor contributions. Will never mark anything as a minor edit from now... The Nookster (talk) 11:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @PamD thanks for all this. Hopefully I will be able to contribute a bit more in smaller chunks :-) The Nookster (talk) 11:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)