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Per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of cultural icons of Australia. Previously existed for ~a day before being converted into a redirect to Culture of Canada. However, the target page does not contain the word "icon" or any mention of cultural icons, much less an entire list of them. Does not seem suitable to be a redirect, but also doesn't seem suitable to be an article, either. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts, Food and drink, Language, Music, Architecture, Animal, History, Popular culture, Education, Sports, and Lists. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:NOT. Seems like a random collection of terms. Not encyclopedic. Takipoint123 (talk) 03:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While there are a very few random lists of so-called "cultural icons", the term is so vague and subjective as to be useless. For example, in the Globe and Mail article The Canadian cultural icons who made the arts better in 2022, I (as a Canadian) only recognize three of them (Joni Mitchell, James Cameron and Neil Young). Cultural icons should be practically universally known to merit that status. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for same previous as the AFD for Australia and 10 other countries there. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. For the record, it's really quite silly and unnecessary to revert an ancient redirect from 2011 back into a bad article that existed for all of a day before being redirected, just so that you can force it through an AFD discussion — we also have the RFD process for unnecessary redirects, so why wasn't this just taken there instead of being "restored" into an article that the restorer wants immediately deleted?
But regardless, all the reasons why this was redirected in the first place are still applicable either way: this is subjective, unreferenced, and misleading — "cultural icons", to me, implies people, not symbols and concepts and institutions and folklore: Neil Young and Joni Mitchell and Gordon Lightfoot and Leonard Cohen and Margaret Atwood, not food and political parties and universities and sports. This, as constituted, isn't a list of Canadian "icons", it's just an arbitrary list of random Canadian stuff.
Which is not to say that converting this into a list of celebrities would be desirable either, mind you: we already have more objective lists to cover off the specific things celebrities got famous for doing (List of Canadian actors, List of Canadian musicians, etc.), and as noted above "icon" status is far too subjective, far too prone to personal interpretation, to serve as an objective grouping — though for the record, I as a fellow Canadian am at least passingly familiar with 11 of the 13 people in that Globe and Mail list, not just three. Though to be fair arts/media/culture is my area of expertise, so it would be rather expected that I'd know more about that subject area than some other people would. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC) - Redirect - return to the redirect created by Bearcat 13.5 years ago. It can then go through WP:RFD if needed. We really don't want to encourage the resurrection of long gone articles just to bring them to AFD. What is next? PhilosophyAndLogic ()?--Milowent • 11:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I mentioned it so that this hopefully doesn't happen again in the future, but in the here and now I think the WP:SNOWBALL clause would apply. Since reverting this back to a redirect only to start a new RFD discussion about that redirect would get us to exactly the same place anyway, there's not much point in wikilawyering about it now, and the only reason I mentioned it was "user education" in the "how to handle similar situations correctly in the future" sense. Bearcat (talk) 14:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- You are too reasonable, i want to create a firestorm of debate sometimes. Fine have it your way. :) --Milowent • 18:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I mentioned it so that this hopefully doesn't happen again in the future, but in the here and now I think the WP:SNOWBALL clause would apply. Since reverting this back to a redirect only to start a new RFD discussion about that redirect would get us to exactly the same place anyway, there's not much point in wikilawyering about it now, and the only reason I mentioned it was "user education" in the "how to handle similar situations correctly in the future" sense. Bearcat (talk) 14:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)