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Section size for Joe Biden (63 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	9,680	9,680
Early life (1942–1965)	9,050	9,050
Marriages, law school, and early career (1966–1973)	10,450	27,033
1972 U.S. Senate campaign in Delaware	1,826	1,826
Death of wife and daughter	3,802	3,802
Second marriage	8,351	8,351
Teaching	2,604	2,604
U.S. Senate (1973–2009)	74	39,472
Senate activities	19,293	19,293
Brain surgeries	2,434	2,434
Senate Judiciary Committee	6,590	6,590
Senate Foreign Relations Committee	5,856	11,081
Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq	5,225	5,225
1988 and 2008 presidential campaigns	44	16,364
1988 campaign	10,829	10,829
2008 campaign	5,491	5,491
2008 and 2012 vice presidential campaigns	49	27,951
2008 campaign	12,032	12,032
2012 campaign	15,870	15,870
Vice presidency (2009–2017)	77	38,362
First term (2009–2013)	23,882	23,882
Second term (2013–2017)	10,003	14,403
Role in the 2016 presidential campaign	4,400	4,400
Post-vice presidency (2017–2021)	6,681	6,681
2020 presidential campaign	78	31,894
Speculation and announcement	3,490	3,490
Campaign	22,406	22,406
Presidential transition	5,920	5,920
Presidency (2021–present)	133	197,888
Inauguration	6,205	6,205
First 100 days	13,050	13,050
Domestic policy	9,091	75,432
Economy	19,261	19,261
Judiciary	5,670	5,670
Infrastructure and climate	14,608	14,608
Immigration	11,541	11,541
Pardons and commutations	3,460	3,460
Pardon of Hunter Biden	5,366	5,366
2022 elections	6,435	6,435
Foreign policy	7,782	59,738
Withdrawal from Afghanistan	11,473	11,473
Russian invasion of Ukraine	12,113	12,113
China affairs	10,227	10,227
Israel–Hamas war	14,104	14,104
NATO enlargement	4,039	4,039
Investigations	23	13,988
Retention of classified documents	5,768	5,768
Business activities	8,197	8,197
Age and health concerns	9,001	9,001
2024 presidential campaign	20,341	20,341
Political positions	30,857	30,857
Public image	10,788	20,337
Job approval	8,075	8,075
Media depictions	1,474	1,474
See also	238	238
Notes	138	138
References	17	1,680
Citations	34	34
Works cited	1,629	1,629
Further reading	1,430	1,430
External links	119	10,928
Official	440	440
Other	10,369	10,369
Total	469,983	469,983

Current consensus

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01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)

02. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)

03. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)

04. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)

05. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021. (April 2021)

06. In the lead sentence, use who is as opposed to serving as when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

07. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current as opposed to just 46th when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

08. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)

"John Biden" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect John Biden has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4 § John Biden until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Biden's role as point person for Ukraine

The article as currently written ignores this crucial fact. It is discussed at length here:

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/biden-has-proven-track-record-ukraine-what-can-we-expect-his-administration

I don't know the best way to integrate this fact into the article. I hope somebody more proficient at editing can do that. KHarbaugh (talk) 16:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

That is probably best suited at Presidency of Joe Biden or Foreign policy of Joe Biden, rather than the article about his entire life. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Its also a blog, so might not meet RS criteria. Slatersteven (talk) 17:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

For another reference, see

"What Will Ukraine Do Without Uncle Joe?

Vice President Joe Biden led the administration’s support of Ukraine.

But Kiev worries whether the next White House will have its back as Putin looks to ramp up pressure."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/30/what-will-ukraine-do-without-joe-biden-putin-war-kiev-clinton-trump/

"No one in the U.S. government has wielded more influence over Ukraine than Vice President Joe Biden. As the Obama administration’s point person on Ukraine policy..." KHarbaugh (talk) 13:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Responding to the comments above:

1, Biden being Obama's point person for Ukraine preceded by years Biden's presidency.

2. The. blog in which this was posted is not a mere personal blog, but that of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars KHarbaugh (talk) 09:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Then that would be part of Presidency of Barack Obama if Obama picked Biden as his point person. It could also be described at Biden's foreign policy article(since his prior experience likely helped form his policies) 331dot (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

The article on Biden as currently written contains this:

"Biden visited Iraq about every two months, becoming the administration's point man in delivering messages to Iraqi leadership about expected progress there."

Your reluctance to mentioning Biden's analogous role with regard to Ukraine is utterly bizarre. KHarbaugh (talk) 09:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

He has visited Ukraine every two months? Slatersteven (talk) 10:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

The analogy is that he was point person with respect to both Iraq and Ukraine. KHarbaugh (talk) 10:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Except this makes them different, so the analogy does not work. If not for your instance over the use of this blog you might have relasied that one of the sources were already used for the Iraq claim also includes Afghanistan in the same statement "Besides making Biden his point man on Iraq and Afghanistan". Slatersteven (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

One blog's opinion. Not terribly important. Zaathras (talk) 21:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

What IS a point person? HiLo48 (talk) 00:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Efn footnotes start at ?

Does anyone know why this is? It's supposed to start at right? According to my command+f, there is no tag on this page. Other pages do not seem to have this issue. Finnigami (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Notes can be found at the bottom of the page under the section "Notes". There's an "a" at the start of that list. XeCyranium (talk) 03:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Incumbent, until Jan 20, 2025

Please oh please. When we know who Biden's successor-to-be is. Let's not change "Incumbent" to "Outgoing" in Biden's infobox. GoodDay (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Why not, he will be whoever it is. Slatersteven (talk) 20:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

He's still the incumbent until he leaves office. So let's not do that "outgoing" stuff. GoodDay (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

At some point, we added Biden to the Trump infobox well before January 20 as elected successor or some such. Probably we should do the same here. The election has been called and there doesn't seem to be any dispute about the outcome. Wehwalt (talk) 13:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

No we didn't. We waited until Biden took office. GoodDay (talk) 13:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Comparison to Benjamin Harrison

Apologies if this is pedantic but I can't edit the article, but is this comparison to Benjamin Harrison truly necessary? – "This will give Biden the distinction of being the second president whose predecessor and successor are the same person, after Benjamin Harrison, whose predecessor and successor were Grover Cleveland." Just seems to take up space in the top of the article for no real reason other than being an interesting fun fact, but it doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the article. I'd consider the same for the Donald Trump article, where he is compared to Grover Cleveland. I think if something happens twice (in this case, a non-consecutive term), then it's not really a notable thing to happen. Castlemore7 (talk) 22:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Agree, takes way too much space for the value of the information. I think it's notable enough for Trump's lede, but not this one, at least not using this much text. WikiFouf (talk) 14:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I removed it. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

"Announced military support for Israel" in the lede

This might have been addressed before, but why does the lede mention only that Biden "announced" military support for Israel? This reads as if it was written prior to his administration actually sending the military aid in unprecedented numbers. If no one objects, I would change it to :

During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent extensive military aid to Israel, as well as limited humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.

While we're at it, I think it's also worth using a couple of words to add that the aid was sent despite allegations of war crimes, if anyone would like to discuss that. WikiFouf (talk) 14:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

It can be argued that as the US has supported Israel since the 1960's its undue to single out Biden. Slatersteven (talk) 14:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that it's "singling out" Biden because A) no administration has ever sent Israel this much aid in a year, and B) that same year was the deadliest of the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict WikiFouf (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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