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Reactions to shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 08 January 2011 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into 2011 Tucson shooting. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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New video, audio, photographs from the shooting released by FBI April 2018

The FBI just released a whole load of evidence from the shooting which can be found here:. It's a lot to go through and i've just started looking through the documents myself. I'm still pretty dang new to contributing to Misplaced Pages, so with as much information as this is and with such an important page I don't really feel comfortable adding all the new information myself... I hope that sharing this helps! 2601:647:4500:EE3E:AC6A:17E8:F6D0:776F (talk) 07:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, It would take the average person a month of Sundays to look at everything in this archive, and there is no summary or thumbnails to help with sifting through it. I'm not sure if this is suitable as a cite or an external link for this reason.--♦IanMacM♦ 15:24, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I quickly skimmed the list. Here are some potentially usable photos, but someone would need to upload them to commons:

https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/p3288157.jpg/view - weapon used in the shooting
https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/p3288170.jpg/view - perpetrator being apprehended
https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/dsc0026.jpg/view - unused ammunition recovered at the scene
https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/dsc_2491.jpg/view - receipt for the Glock 19 showing price & date of purchase

--K.e.coffman (talk) 00:32, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

As for using the images in the article, the weapon is the one that could be added. The others aren't all that useful for adding to the article. The images are public domain.--♦IanMacM♦ 05:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

WP:Citation overkill

ChaseK7, regarding your edits to this article, there is no need for citation overkill. See WP:Citation overkill. Regarding your tag, I'm not sure what is meant by "outdated sources," unless the article is actually reporting on outdated matters that newer sources have shown to be in error, but as for broken links, it's easy enough to replace them or change them. Also see WP:Dead links. And keep in mind that this is a WP:Good article. Your contribution history shows that despite your account being new, you are not a new editor. So you perhaps do not need to be told any of this (except for the citation overkill part). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

I see that ChaseK7 was, unsurpsingly, blocked as a sock. Springee has reduced the material ChaseK7 added. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Loughner's political views

Re this edit: A single source does not "prove the claims misplaced", it is simply a contrary viewpoint. I'm concerned about the style and tone of this edit, and also that it relies on a source that clearly dislikes other media sources and is largely based on Paul Bond's personal opinion.--♦IanMacM♦ 16:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

The edit was in clear violation of MOS:WEASEL and WP:NPOV, hence my modification to it. Incidentally I didn't realise it was a new addition. I hadn't heard of this shooting before yesterday and when I read this article for the first time that wording just clearly stuck out as extremely biased and problematic. How do you feel about the current wording ianmacm? I was almost going to move the sentence out of the lead and into the body myself, and probably would have done so if I had realised it was a recent addition. Damien Linnane (talk) 23:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

There is a much better source discussing this here. What often happens after mass shootings is that the media comes up with theories about the motive that are subsequently disproved. This is why Template:Current exists. Sarah Palin faced criticism for the crosshairs map which was regarded as tasteless political debate, but it is not seen as a motive for the shooting; Loughner may never even have seen it, as the Washington Post source says. I wasn't very keen on the Hollywood Reporter source because most of it is taken up by Paul Bond launching into criticism of other media outlets. The article should make clear that the theory that the crosshairs map was somehow a motive for the shooting is now disproven, but it doesn't need to be in the WP:LEAD and is probably best to have it in the main body instead.--♦IanMacM♦ 11:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

That seems like a good neutral solution; however, if we include the allegations against Palin, should we also not include that they (at least appear to be) misplaced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viktory02 (talk • contribs) 21:28, November 18, 2021 (UTC)

I think that has been included. "No link was proven between the crosshairs map and the shooting, and it is unclear whether Loughner ever saw the map." Damien Linnane (talk) 22:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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