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Term does simply not exist.--Hellenyck (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 18:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- delete no sources. The references are fake. --Altenmann >talk
- Delete as WP:Original research. I wouldn't call it "fake" so much as an original framing. Beta Israel is a real people group and they did speak Ge'ez with their own dialect. The first source is pretty clear to call it the "Agaw dialect" and doesn't use the term "Judeo-Ge'ez". Its looks like this article is re-naming the Agaw dialect "Judeo-Ge'ez" without any supporting sources for that re-naming. But, it isn't all that odd of a re-naming considering the Agaw people were Ethiopian Jews who had their own dialect of Ethiopian speech.4meter4 (talk) 21:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I didnt say sources are fake. I say refs are fake, because sources cited do not support article text. --Altenmann >talk 22:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Agaw: not exactly so: our Agaw people article says that "have practiced what some described as a “Hebraic religion”, though some also practiced Ethiopian Orthodoxy, and many were Beta Israel Jews", i.e., they should not be conflated. --Altenmann >talk 22:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Altenmann That could be, I'm not a subject matter expert in this area. I'm just pointing out that the source in question was describing the Beta Israel people as speaking the "Agaw dialect" which impacted the Ge'ez language writings extant to that culture. The article in question seems to be re-naming this dialect Judeo-Ge'ez rather than calling it the Agaw dialect as in the cited source. Hence why I am calling it WP:OR. The ins and outs of language within the Ethiopian Jewish culture may be more complex than what that single source presented, and I'm sure the Agaw people may have been more religiously diverse and that is fine. FYI refs = sources. You meant citations. Hence my confusion. 4meter4 (talk) 22:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Ezra_Ben_Yosef for expert's opinion (as much as wikipedians are experts :-)) on the issue. --Altenmann >talk 01:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
You meant citations
- Well, Misplaced Pages thinks refs = citations :-) and technically speaking sources are referents, i.e., things you are referring to. --Altenmann >talk 02:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)- True. We tend to use terms somewhat interchangeably on wikipedia. :-) Technically references are works listed at the end of an article outside of a footnote format (see https://www.cwauthors.com/article/key-differences-between-a-citation-and-a-reference ). Misplaced Pages's somewhat unusual referencing style makes it possible to blend the two by putting the entire reference inside an embedded footnote. This is different than the standard referencing format in academic publishing, which is why I prefer Template:Sfn citations as they mirror academic publication styles more closely. In my mind I think of "references" as the "complete source information" (such as a bibliography or works cited list) and the citation as stating where certain content came from within that source. When I hear "false reference" it makes me think the entire source is made up, where as if I hear "false citation" I would think someone is not being truthful about where the content came from by misrepresenting the cited source. But that's just me. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your explanation makes sense, thanks. --Altenmann >talk 02:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- You are overlooking the essential point: Judaeo-Ge'ez (a language that the user believes to be descended from Hebrew) does not exist and has never existed. The term was simply invented by the user (WP:NOR).--Hellenyck (talk) 07:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Um… that is exactly what I said, but in different words.4meter4 (talk) 10:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- True. We tend to use terms somewhat interchangeably on wikipedia. :-) Technically references are works listed at the end of an article outside of a footnote format (see https://www.cwauthors.com/article/key-differences-between-a-citation-and-a-reference ). Misplaced Pages's somewhat unusual referencing style makes it possible to blend the two by putting the entire reference inside an embedded footnote. This is different than the standard referencing format in academic publishing, which is why I prefer Template:Sfn citations as they mirror academic publication styles more closely. In my mind I think of "references" as the "complete source information" (such as a bibliography or works cited list) and the citation as stating where certain content came from within that source. When I hear "false reference" it makes me think the entire source is made up, where as if I hear "false citation" I would think someone is not being truthful about where the content came from by misrepresenting the cited source. But that's just me. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Altenmann That could be, I'm not a subject matter expert in this area. I'm just pointing out that the source in question was describing the Beta Israel people as speaking the "Agaw dialect" which impacted the Ge'ez language writings extant to that culture. The article in question seems to be re-naming this dialect Judeo-Ge'ez rather than calling it the Agaw dialect as in the cited source. Hence why I am calling it WP:OR. The ins and outs of language within the Ethiopian Jewish culture may be more complex than what that single source presented, and I'm sure the Agaw people may have been more religiously diverse and that is fine. FYI refs = sources. You meant citations. Hence my confusion. 4meter4 (talk) 22:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)