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28 November 2024

User:Electrabytes04

User:Electrabytes04 (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

I deleted this as WP:U5, a non-contributor's misuse of Misplaced Pages as a web host (external link added with the first edit from the account). The nomination and/or deletion have been questioned on my talk-page by Tamzin, so bringing this here for review/clarification. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• I believe this falls under the "Meh" category. I doubt many here would care enough about this either way. Seeing as the page was created less than a day earlier, I would have left it alone, and given the new user a chance to find their footing and figure out how things work around here, rather than greet them with a speedy deletion of their test userpage. That said, seeing as the user's only other edit was a rejected request to usurp their(?) old account name, which also had zero edits, I fear this editor might not be here to build an encyclopedia. Delete or delete not; there is no DRV. Owen× ☎ 16:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Overturn U5 though I largely agree with OwenX’s opinion of “meh.” I don’t consider adding a personal GitHub account as using Misplaced Pages to be a web-host. Persons who think the user page is inappropriate can take this to MFD if desired. I commend Justlettersandnumbers for seeking clarification at DRV. Frank Anchor 18:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Overturn. To be clear, the current page is not what was deleted, but rather a transclusion of their global userpage. The deleted page said (paragraph breaks replaced with slashes) "Hello? / ... / Is.. Is this thing on?? / ( For now, this is all that's here ) : / https://github.com/electrabytes04/" That is a painfully normal userpage, and the only think JN&L and I seem to disagree on is the propriety of that GitHub link, but I still don't understand where in policy they're getting the idea that the link is inappropriate, when WP:UPYES goes out of its way to say that non-promotional links to personal sites are allowed. And by policy, anything allowed under UPYES is exempt from U5. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 01:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Endorse after reading WP:U5, I think it applies here: little to no edits outside a user page, and the user page is unrelated to Misplaced Pages's goals. That's two for two. Good deletion. SportingFlyer T·C 03:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  @SportingFlyer: There are four clauses, not two, the last being an exception for "adhering to Misplaced Pages:User pages § What may I have in my user pages?". What content do you see in the deleted text that does not adhere to that policy? -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  However, if a link to your home page is the only thing on your userpage, this may be seen as an attempt at self-promotion. Pretty clear. SportingFlyer T·C 05:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  Furthermore, whether something adheres to "what may I have in my user pages?" - WP:UPYES isn't exactly a list of things which are acceptable and unacceptable, is it? It's "you're broadly free to do what you wish." But if you're a clear non-contributor, as OwenX points out, there's nothing at all wrong with this deletion. SportingFlyer T·C 05:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  No, that's the exact opposite of how the policy is written. If you want to remove the UPYES exception to U5, by all means, propose that. If you'd like to remove the bit of UPYES saying that non-promotional links to one's personal site are explicitly allowed (which you've intriguingly only quoted the latter half of, not that "may be seen as an attempt at self-promotion" means "may be summarily deleted" regardless), by all means, propose that. As both policies are currently written, however, a UPYES-compliant userpage is categorically exempt from U5, and a link to one's GitHub is UPYES-compliant. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  I completely disagree. A userpage consisting solely of a link to a personal webpage, github or otherwise, is not explicitly UPYES-compliant per UPYES. This will be overturned on the assumption this was a new user who got bit (even if that may not be the case per OwenX), and I would not have deleted it myself, but I do not believe it's an obviously erroneous deletion. SportingFlyer T·C 00:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  ? If Tamzin's quote is correct, then it didn't solely of a link. There was additional text. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm confused, are you referring to the full sentence here: You are also welcome to include a simple link to your personal home page, although you should not surround it with any promotional language. However, if a link to your home page is the only thing on your userpage, this may be seen as an attempt at self-promotion.? SportingFlyer T·C 00:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  I suppose technically I was referring to A userpage consisting solely of a link to a personal webpage, github or otherwise, is not explicitly UPYES-compliant, but essentially, yes. The link was not the only thing in the userpage, so the carveout about "may appear promotional" is not applicable. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 01:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  Simply adding, in short, "for now, this is all that's here" shouldn't be the difference between keeping and deleting. It doesn't matter, though. I think this was quite acceptable, others don't, it'll get sorted. SportingFlyer T·C 06:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Overturn - WP:DELETEOTHER says, among other things, user's contributions that consist solely of a lone edit to their user page should not normally be speedy deleted unless it consists solely of spam or other speedy deletable material. I don't think we should be WP:BITING users who decide to introduce themselves with pages like this. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 03:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Overturn as per Frank Anchor and Hatman31. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• I've looked through the linked github repository. If, as SportingFlyer suggests, this was an attempt at self-promotion, it was spectactularly inept. Not that self-promotion has anything to do with U5 anyway.This page was harmless. Restore if the user wants it. I see nobody's bothered to speak to them except for the twinkle template generated by the obscenely-inaccurate G11 tagging of their userpage, not even to inform them of this review. On the other hand, they haven't edited at all since then either, and who can blame them. —Cryptic 05:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak overturn per Robert McClenon etc. Somewhat of a WP:BITE failure. Stifle (talk) 09:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Meh Overturn due to WP:BITE SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Meh We have established editors seeing this differently. While I don't see grounds for an overturn, that probably means it's not suitable for a speedy as its YMMV territory. Advocate for restoration and if it's an issue down the road, it can go to MfD. Right now I think we'd see an N/C close since on one feels strongly. Star Mississippi 03:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Meh and overturn Yeah, this should go to MfD per all of the above, even if it's borderline. We're not overturning a discussion, just undoing a speedy here and sending it for discussion, so much lower bar. Jclemens (talk) 06:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC)