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Does the photograph need updating? The picture on her website is almost unrecognisable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.101.76 (talk) 17:35, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Resignation over stolen mobile phone

Topic to discuss latest events under Star-one (talk) 08:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Recommend locking page as it pertains to current event. 86.10.36.86 (talk) 08:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

The first sentence of the article contains mention of the conviction. I removed it and was reverted - I have given that user a warning under WP:3RR as that was their third revert on this article today. To talk about the general principle it seems we generally only mention convictions in the first sentence for very serious offences. I am unable to find anything immediately in BLP specifically about this, but WP:BLPCRIMINAL says

Caution should be used with content categories that suggest a person has a poor reputation (see false light). For example, Category:Criminals and its subcategories should be added only for an incident that is relevant to the person's notability

which I think is some guidance about this should be handled - especially the actual inclusion in the category. Morwen (talk) 16:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Considering she quit from her high profile job for being a convicted fraudster, id say that she now has a "poor reputation" lol 2A00:23C4:B938:F501:386D:8B9F:247:2A0D (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It's irrelevant to her notability though - the incident was 10 years ago and she was notable before knowledge of it became public.

RachelTensions (talk) 00:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I wasnt suggesting that, I was responding to the point above 2A00:23C4:B938:F501:386D:8B9F:247:2A0D (talk) 00:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Subtitles

Our assertion regarding Haigh's involvement with a subtitling amendment is not supported by the source, which doesn't even mention her. - Sitush (talk) 08:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:British politicians convicted of fraud

Can we get a quick consensus over whether Ms. Haigh should be included in Category:British politicians convicted of fraud? It was added at some point over the last few days, and then recently removed citing WP:BLPCRIMINAL.

Ms. Haigh is a British politician who, according to reliable sources (and Ms. Haigh herself), has been convicted of fraud, so she fits the category. A passage of WP:BLPCRIMINAL that comes into play is:

Category:Criminals and its subcategories should be added only for an incident that is relevant to the person's notability; the incident was published by reliable third-party sources; the subject was convicted; and the conviction was not overturned on appeal

In this case, I believe we can all agree that the second, third, and fourth requirements are all met in this case; the only one that is up for debate is if the incident is "relevant to the person's notability". I would say that Ms. Haigh is very obviously independently notable regardless of the fraud case, however the fraud conviction and her resignation over its existence has now become part of her notability (at least insofar as qualifying for inclusion in the category).

Thoughts? RachelTensions (talk) 15:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@RachelTensions, those requirements are needed to qualify category inclusion for an incident that is relevant to the person's notability. Well she was notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages article long before that incident became widely known, so that would suggest that that incident is not relevant to her notability, so that category should not be added. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd argue that most of the people in that category would be notable without their convictions given that members of parliament qualify as notable enough for a Misplaced Pages article under WP:POLITICIAN, based on the simple fact that they've held national office.If "the conviction must be the sole reason for establishing notability for a Misplaced Pages article" is where we we're drawing the line then that category should be almost empty. RachelTensions (talk) 17:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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