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Dragonoid76 (talk) 09:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: no reason given for the proposed addition. M.Bitton (talk) 23:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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{{Hindustani_language}} 118.172.31.7 (talk) 02:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Professor Penguino (talk) 08:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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@Foreverknowledge why edits has been omitted? Jabirttk351 (talk) 10:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The reference took information verbatim from Misplaced Pages, including edits I myself have made about the scripts. Doesn’t meet the criteria for a reference Foreverknowledge (talk) 10:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
I suppose you did not check the reference. Mentioned citation very clearly mentioned this. Jabirttk351 (talk) 11:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
The cited reference took information from Misplaced Pages. Foreverknowledge (talk) 11:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Okay I understand. Jabirttk351 (talk) 11:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
See WP:CIRCULAR. –Austronesier (talk) 10:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
thanks. Jabirttk351 (talk) 11:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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AAzmat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.56.203.153 (talk) 20:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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The current description may not be to the liking of many Misplaced Pages users and readers because, Urdu has the status of national language and language of public communication (lingua franca) in Pakistan, where it is also the official language, along with English. And the educated population of Pakistan who took over the bureaucracy and finance department of Pakistan, etc. were Urdu speakers, who were Muhajirs. Also, Sir Syed, Liaquat Ali Khan, Ali brothers, etc. are considered important names in the history of Pakistan, all of them spoke Urdu as their mother tongue. Therefore, I request to change this description from "Language spoken in India and Pakistan" to "Language spoken in Pakistan and India" or "Language spoken chiefly in South Asia" so that the people reading it do not feel anything biased or unsatisfying, especially the population of India and Pakistan. Thank you very much. AlidPedian (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino Kindly answer me. I look forward to your reply. AlidPedian (talk) 10:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
I think changing the short description to "Language spoken chiefly in South Asia" would be good. I've changed it as such. Professor Penguino (talk) 06:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
I doubt anyone is going to perceive bias when they read the words "India and Pakistan" unless they have a huge chip on their shoulder. PepperBeast (talk) 15:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Of course we did, but the old-India-POV editors, unable to accept the reality
  • that Urdu has declined markedly in its birthplace in India even among many educated Muslim families;
  • that on the BBC Urdu website only 10% of the posters are from addresses in India, the rest no longer able to read the Urdu script, let alone write;
  • that the only country in which Oxford University Press publishes books in Urdu (both pedagogic and literary) is Pakistan;
  • that Bollywood songs with a few words of Urdu in the mix do not constitute Urdu;
  • that the birthplace of a language does not produce mother's milk of the language;
  • that the average person in Pakistan's whose mother tongue is not Urdu is nevertheless able to read, write, and speak Urdu with more skill that the average "Urdu speaker" in India;
  • that in the 75 years since decolonization in South Asia, Pakistan has produced some great Urdu poets, witness, off the top of my head: Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Ada Jafri, Zehra Nigah, Munir Niazi, Nasir Kazmi, Habib Jalib, Ahmad Faraz, Kishwar Naheed, Fahmida Riaz, and Iftikhar Arif, but India, sadly, has produced nothing that can match, only Bollywood songwriters such as Javed Akhtar or Gulzar whom Indians consider to be Urdu poets.
very determinedly never allowed us to change anything in this article and also in Hindustani language, a subterfuge employed in contempory India for expanding the definition of Urdu to include any pidgin-Hindi speaker in India.
PS I don't have a chip on my shoulder. Among other things I have written the FA India).
PPS It's not like I haven't tried. I've certainly collected more sources than anyone before or after. See:
Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
PS Not that anything will change in this page's lead, but the Britannica article on Urdu begins: "Urdu language, member of the Indo-Aryan group within the Indo-European family of languages. Urdu is spoken as a first language by nearly 70 million people and as a second language by more than 100 million people, predominantly in Pakistan and India." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
PPS The Oxford English Dictionary entry on Urdu, n. & adj. states: An Indo-Aryan language of northern South Asia (now esp. Pakistan), closely related to Hindi but written in a modified form of the Arabic script ... Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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