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Moor from Mauri

I frankly don't understand why this article is separated from the one for Mauri, since the word Moor is originally from Mauri, which was used by Romans, and by the native Mauri (inhabitants of the Kingdom of Mauretania and the Roman provinces that ensued from them) to designate themselves, indicating as Gabriel Camps suggests that it may be originally a Berber word that went into Greek then Latin. The claim of the first paragraph of the article that it was an "exonym" in that sense, is not accurate, and much less is the claim that it was an equivalent of Muslim. The term was and remained much more strongly associated with Northwest Africa and its proxy regions (e.g. Andalusia) than any other place, and a cursory search in the literature is sufficient indication, that it was mainly a geographical term that was sometimes abused and generalized, but most often retained its original significance (check the number of hits for "Moorish Morocco" vs "Moorish Egypt" or any other region, on Google Books or Google Scholar for instance). --Ideophagous (talk) 10:23, 03 April 2021 (UTC+2)

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"Castillian ambassadors attempting to convince Moorish Almohad king Abu Hafs Umar al-Murtada to join their alliance (contemporary depiction from the Cantigas de Santa María)"

What is the source for this statement? What is the evidence that this individual is Moorish Almohad king Abu Hafs al-Murtada? Or is Moorish? Or even a Muslim? 2001:1C00:1E20:D900:D108:E292:4ECE:682B (talk) 11:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Those labels and others are probably based on this book Alfonso X and The Cantigas de Santa Maria: A Poetic Biography (1998): https://archive.org/details/alf_20231212/page/n27/mode/2up 41.222.179.226 (talk) 12:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
"probably"? What standard of referencing is that?
The page's actual and only caption reads:
"9. Abu Yusuf, the emir of Benimerines, is defeated in Morocco by Christian knights bearing the banner of Holy Mary. Cantigas de Santa Maria, 181. Escorial MS T.I.l."
So, not the Moorish Almohad King Abu Hafs al-Murtada?
In fact, the Benimerimes had overthrown the Almohads.
Misplaced Pages: "They emerged after the fall of the Almohad Empire" 2001:1C00:1E20:D900:D108:E292:4ECE:682B (talk) 13:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Evidently, I never went through the whole book, but skimmed through and saw that some illustrations do name certain figures/events and have a history behind them, that was my false assumption for others.
Here's an obscure website I managed to find, but it is polemic against "Afrocentrism" and not credible, it labels the image in question as 'King Umar al-Murtada, the Almohad ruler of Morocco, is persuaded to ally with Christians.' https://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html However this link is completely unreliable in this case for obvious reasons.
Something to note is here on the The Oxford Cantigas de Santa Maria database search, 'Umar al-Murtada' is on the named persons, but it does not show in which codex rendition or poem the reference has him listed on. https://csm.mml.ox.ac.uk/index.php?p=poem_search
I came across this on Alamy as well, which has a label for that image, but this is a stock website.
https://www.alamy.com/a-portrait-of-moorish-almohad-king-abu-hafs-umar-al-murtada-from-the-cantigas-de-santa-mara-north-africa-and-southern-spain-were-united-politically-during-the-11th-13th-centuries-under-a-dynasty-of-berber-origins-the-almohad-empire-extending-from-the-atlantic-to-tripoli-in-present-day-libya-and-from-current-mauritania-in-the-south-to-the-walls-of-toledo-in-the-iberian-peninsula-to-the-north-the-largest-ever-european-african-empire-image417856384.html
Anyway, regardless, I noticed the picture has now been removed as contested for the time being. Maybe someone else can find a direct and clear academic source as we see for Abu Yusuf, the Emir of Benimerines. 41.222.177.181 (talk) 15:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
refer to my suggested edit bellow. I provided evidence from multiple sources that this is almohad sultan al-murtada AdamElMerini (talk) 01:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
From the authors of "The Fayum portraits are fake", "Moor is Blackmoor", "Let's ignore that in the Classical Antiquity Africa was Tunisia and little else, and that in medieval Europe an African was a Maghrebi Christian", "We can't see the pale Libyans in the Book of Gates", "Saint Maurice, Hannibal, Cleopatra VII, Septimius Severus and Queen Charlotte were black", "Orgasm with the XXV Dynasty", "West Africa was not part and parcel in the Transatlantic Slave Trade", "The evil Greeks stole the Black African Wisdom", "The evil Arab Muslims exterminated the OG Black North Africans, but for a weird reason the prevalent patrilineal and male-only Y-DNA haplogroup in North Africa is E1b1b (E-M81 clade) and not J1 like in Saudi Arabia", "Al-Andalus was Black" and "We apply a 100% USAmerican obsession with skin colour, race and pseudo-history to other lands and historical periods", now on our screens: "The Cantigas de Santa María are fake". 85.84.57.60 (talk) 09:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Abu Yusuf and Abu Hafs Umar al-Murtada are named

Academic sources clearly name both Abu Yusuf of the Benimerines and al Murtada of the Almohades.

Can someone please label this image > Moors#/media/File:MoorandChristianBattle.png with Abu Yusuf's name? 'Abu Yusuf, the emir of the Benimerines, is defeated in Morocco by Christian knights bearing the banner of Holy Mary' >https://books.google.co.tz/books?redir_esc=y&id=7Q7tDcPIEgMC&q=abu+yusuf#v=snippet&q=abu%20yusuf&f=false

Rightfully restore the pictures of Umar al Murtada as well > https://books.google.co.tz/books?redir_esc=y&id=7Q7tDcPIEgMC&q=abu+yusuf#v=snippet&q=al-Murtada&f=false. 154.74.127.113 (talk) 04:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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