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Section sizes Section size for Holodomor (46 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 6,577 6,577 Etymology 4,152 4,152 History 14 83,760 Scope and duration 4,985 4,985 Causes 3,967 24,617 Low harvest 1,254 1,254 Collectivization, procurements, and the export of grain 6,378 6,378 Discrimination and persecution of Ukrainians 11,617 11,617 Peasant resistance 1,401 1,401 Regional variation 1,862 1,862 Repressive policies 683 23,772 Preceding the famine 7,675 7,675 During the famine 9,576 9,576 Near the end of and after the famine 5,838 5,838 Torgsin system 1,865 1,865 Cannibalism 2,929 2,929 Ukrainians in other republics 642 6,533 Kuban and the North Caucasus of Russia 5,312 5,312 Kazakhstan 579 579 Aftermath and immediate reception 1,933 1,933 Death toll 15,250 15,250 Genocide question 8,069 8,069 Soviet and Western denial and downplay 2,406 2,406 In modern politics 6,780 29,191 Government recognition of Holodomor 22,411 22,411 Remembrance 154 21,909 Ukraine 4,549 4,549 Germany 1,484 1,484 Canada 5,136 5,136 Poland 1,453 1,453 United States 6,329 6,329 On film 1,281 1,281 Vatican City 532 532 Holodomor memorials 991 991 In culture and the arts 29 2,148 Cinema 1,165 1,165 Literature 845 845 Theatre 109 109 See also 711 711 Notes 9,904 9,904 References 35 35 Bibliography 105,091 105,091 Further reading 150 23,562 Declarations and legal acts 406 406 Books and articles 23,006 23,006 External links 6,759 6,759 Total 304,274 304,274

Holodomor

Hi. I see you reverted my changes. The secondary source bringing the events into connection actually exists and it was mentioned as one of the reference but wasn't made the main thing (Timothy Snyder, "Covert Polish Missions Across the Soviet Ukrainian Border, 1928-1933", 2005). Would it be okay if I rework with making it more prominent and add the primary sources as additional justification, or should I not mention them at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krispe13 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Greetings! I scrolled through Snyder and he has a chapter on the famine so adding him would be fine. I'm generally against adding something based on primary sources as the article is already pretty large by itself and we have lots of secondary sources covering the subject. So why use primary ones. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Declaring Holodomor a "natural event" that happened due to bad weather conditions rather than an intentional "clean up" of Ukrainian society is a popular propaganda point of those, who deny Holodomor as a genocide based on the assumed lack of intention. Thus, I considered it important to also include the primary sources (such as the "Report to the Seventeenth Party Congress", which states that Ukrainian nationalism became the "chief danger" since it "linked up with the interventionists") that support the claim about the relationships between Prometheus/"Polish agents" activities and Holodomor established by Snyder and several other Ukrainian researches. But I will follow your suggestion and will only stick to the secondary sources. Krispe13 (talk) 08:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

There is already some info on attack on nationalism in the article, which could be extended. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 09:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

But its not up for debate, we have the sources all modern scholarship views it as fully intentional. 2603:6011:F400:DAC:D544:D755:1442:DD71 (talk) 05:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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The term Holodomor (death by hunger, in Ukrainian) refers to the starvation of millions of Ukrainians in 1932–33 as a result of Soviet policies. The Holodomor can be seen as the culmination of an assault by the Communist Party and Soviet state on the Ukrainian peasantry, who resisted Soviet policies. This assault occurred in the context of a campaign of intimidation and arrests of Ukrainian intellectuals, writers, artists, religious leaders, and political cadres, who were seen as a threat to Soviet ideological and state-building aspirations. 2A02:A31D:A19C:F000:2D37:491E:AD61:4711 (talk) 19:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⸺(Random)staplers 20:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

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