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Metabolism and obesity

There is little evidence that obesity is related to slower resting metabolism. Resting metabolic rate doesn't vary much between people. Weight gain and loss are directly attributable to diet and activity. Benjamin (talk) 19:05, 13 January 2017 (UTC) (@EvergreenFir:

The content was correct. Would be good to use better sources though. What about this one. https://books.google.ca/books?id=RUQKjpkeLugC&pg=PA180#v=onepage&q&f=false Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:48, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@Doc James: I'll trust your judgement here regarding MEDRS. I just know the sources originally given do not abide by it, but if you know of ones that do, that's fine. Not opposed to the content, just the sources. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@EvergreenFir: yes agree with you that the prior sources were poor. The one I linked to is good. So hopefully User:Benjaminikuta can use that. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, user:Doc James. I'll go ahead and make the edit, if that's okay. Could you tell me which sources are okay, and which aren't? Benjamin (talk) 07:02, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Maybe include something about how some fat acceptance activists claim genetics, or something called "starvation mode", prevents them from losing weight, or even makes them gain weight, despite maintaining a prolonged calorie deficit, and how that is unsupported by medical science and the laws of thermodynamics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.223.45.126 (talk) 15:58, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I must fully concur, sir. I lost over two hundred pounds over the course of two years simply by dropping all carbs from my diet. And the weight has stayed off over ten years, now. Weight gain and loss are directly attributable to diet and activity, not some mysterious "slow metabolism" issue. 174.28.35.236 (talk) 04:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
It´s really not that simple. Consensus article from weight conference 2020 with lots of experts in the area https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0803-x Plutten4ever (talk) 20:21, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
I think the best way to cut through this is to simply point out not every country has an obesity rate nearly half its population. America is a country in which non-fat people are a minority. 158.140.180.10 (talk) 14:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. https://examine.com/nutrition/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people
  2. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989.full
  3. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/expert-answers/slow-metabolism/faq-20058480
  4. http://dailyburn.com/life/health/metabolism-myths-weight-loss/
  5. http://theconversation.com/mondays-medical-myth-my-slow-metabolism-makes-me-fat-4962
  6. https://ijbnpa.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1479-5868-7-19
  7. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.175.4460&rep=rep1&type=pdf
  8. http://jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/30/5/923.short
  9. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7145476_Eating_habits_beliefs_attitudes_and_knowledge_among_health_professionals_regarding_the_links_between_obesity_nutrition_and_health

" labor productivity in the coastal areas of the United States"

The current state of the article includes a statement that views of fat acceptance affected "labor productivity in the coastal areas of the United States". Is this a documented and widely held belief, that geography was a major factor in people's views? Pete unseth (talk) 13:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Horseback riding

I think this is an interesting topic that could be added to the article.

What do others here think?

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/remi-bader-says-ranch-wouldnt-allow-ride-horses-due-weight-rcna33330

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/tik-tok-influencer-remi-bader-horse-ranch-incident-weight-even-darker-rcna33991

https://people.com/health/tiktok-star-remi-bader-says-ranch-refused-to-let-her-ride-horses-due-to-her-weight/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/i-only-invited-skinny-friends-31883199

https://www.businessinsider.com/remi-bader-deep-hollow-ranch-denied-horse-ride-because-weight-2022-6

https://jenniferrpovey.medium.com/fat-shaming-versus-animal-welfare-the-debate-about-larger-equestrians-ca1874fea168

The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 02:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I just added the following:

On the subject of horseback riding, there has been disagreement between fat acceptance activists and animal rights activists.

The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 21:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@The Last Hungry Cat: I've seen worse edits from newcomers, but I'd encourage you to read about what Misplaced Pages considers to be a reliable source. Basically, NBC is fine, blogs like Medium are not. Ideally, you want something like academic scholarship with peer review. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
The incident cited seems to be about a complaint of rudeness at an equestrian business. The conflict between the capacity of horses and the weight of potential riders is not an issue of "shaming". Is this incident worth including? The article should not become simply a listing of people who felt shamed about being fat. Pete unseth (talk) 00:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
You may be right. Let's hear what other people think. I'll go with whatever the consensus is. The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. Academic scholarship with peer review is probably a bit beyond what I usually read. NBC and other major news sources are more my type of thing. I won't cite Medium again, but it does also fall withinin my normal range of reading. The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 01:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  1. Fat Shaming versus Animal Welfare — the Debate About Larger Equestrians, Medium, April 22, 2022
  2. TikTok star Remi Bader says she was mocked for her weight after being turned away from horse ranch, NBC News, June 13, 2022
  3. Tik-Tok star Remi Bader’s horse ranch incident has an even darker side, NBC News, June 17, 2022
  4. TikTok Star Remi Bader Says Ranch Mistreated Her and Refused to Let Her Ride Horses Due to Her Weight, People, June 14, 2022
  5. 'I didn't invite heavy friends to horse riding - their weight is their problem', Mirror, Janaury 15, 2024
  6. An influencer called out a horse-riding business on TikTok. Its employee told her to come back when she wasn't 'fat.', Business Insider, June 16, 2022
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