Talk:Abundant Life Christian School shooting

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@Another Believer, @Neko-chan I'm with AB, let's leave the injuries and dead as unknown for now, until we get some sources that are consistent on that specific fact. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

No prob, I've also removed "murder" from the infobox for now. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I went ahead and used vague language for the numbers for now too. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'm following the local news at Channel3000 if anyone else also wants to keep an eye on it. ~ฅ(ↀωↀ=)neko-chan 19:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

From Madison PD FB on 12/16 1:09CT - https://www.facebook.com/MadisonPolice/

"Shooting update: At this time, three people are deceased. During the media briefing earlier this afternoon, it was erroneously shared 5 were deceased.

Again, three people are deceased. Nine in total were injured, including the three deceased.

Parents and guardians should go to the Dean Clinic 1821 S. Stoughton Road for reunification.

The next media briefing is scheduled for 2:30 p.m. at Fire Station 14 at 3201 Dairy Dr." MediaGuy768 (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Chief of Police, Shon Barnes, just stated at the 2:30 CT briefing there are 3 dead and 6 others injured for a total of 9. The shooter is one of the three dead. — TadgStirkland (Tadg) 20:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I saw discussion on semi-protection. Thoughts on that?

I saw discussion on semi-protection from the main page. Thoughts on that? MediaGuy768 (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

There is currently no vandalism on this article, so I don't think its necessary. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 20:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if it stoops to the level of vandalism, but several anonymous users have made questionable edits in the last two hours. Primarily, the edits are attributing unsourced names to the perpetrator. It might be time to change page protections. — TadgStirkland (Tadg) 22:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I tried submitting a request via Twinkle and saw one has already been submitted, so should be done soon. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I just semi-protected it. - Fuzheado | Talk 22:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

thanks, horrible it's needed but not unexpected

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 22:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Social media rumors of "possible unusual" suspect?

I don't know if this would officially confirm it by officials later into the process, but unconfirmed social media postings about the suspect, a transgendered student who appears to be a biological female, which makes this shooting very unusual. This was due to the fact that 98% of those shootings were all caused by men or boys which of course everybody knows that, but with this possible situation in Madison, women or girls becoming suspects of massacres like this are completely unusual and ultimately rare. If this was completely confirmed then she officially became the first female to do so ever since Amy Bishop in February 2010. 2600:1702:5225:C010:CC0E:365A:38C9:5C75 (talk) 21:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Normally, social media is not a reliable source — TadgStirkland (Tadg) 21:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I know. But if she was officially confirmed by law enforcement, then she became the first female perpetrator since Bishop. 2600:1702:5225:C010:CC0E:365A:38C9:5C75 (talk) 21:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Also we have strict rules on how to speak about transgender people. The wording you are now using would not be acceptable. See the essay WP:GENDERID and the manual of style MOS:GENDERID. Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 22:01, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I’d strongly recommend not naming the perpetrator until a WP:RS can be cited — TadgStirkland (Tadg) 22:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I have been thinking about asking for some revdels. Should we censor the names in a non-revdel way for now?

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 22:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

The local TV news did just confirm the shooter is female. I'm looking for a print article for a source. ~ฅ(ↀωↀ=)neko-chan 22:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I added the perpetrator article confirming the partial identification. 2600:1702:5225:C010:CC0E:365A:38C9:5C75 (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

This is not the first female school shooter since 2010.

dorothy dutiel did a school shooting back in 2016. BadMombo1660 (talk) 01:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Men and boys are always the strong ones, right?

It is not clear why it is emphasized that these crimes are almost always committed by 'men or boys,' unless it is to perpetuate the sexist stereotype that females are always passive creatures, incapable of doing harm like frightened little kittens. 151.60.199.119 (talk) 22:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I find that one IP editor put a lot of emphasis on it, maybe a little too much. I think a short mention of how hit's rare for women to do mass shootings is enough.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 22:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

3% of mass shootings are done by women per reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/school-shooting-wisconsin-has-left-multiple-injuries-police-say-2024-12-16/ Cononsense (talk) 03:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

First Female shooter since 2010?

The Perpetrator section of the article currently includes the following:

"Despite her name being unidentified by authorities, she became the first female to perpetrate a school massacre in the United States since Amy Bishop in February 2010."

The citation provided for that line makes no mention of this being the first female shooter since Amy Bishop, and so this claim is not backed up by any citation but rather appears to be a wiki user inappropriately editorializing on the subject.

This point is clearly in contention given that the 2023 Nashville shooter was a transgender individual assigned female at birth.

My aim here is not to start a political argument, but rather to point out that unless a source can be cited which refers to this shooter as "the first female shooter" since 2010, it does not seem appropriate for the article to say as much. 73.97.100.75 (talk) 23:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I've removed it since it seems unsourced. Nil Einne (talk) 23:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

plus, dorothy dutiel commited a fatal school shooting in 2016. So a female school shooter is not, in my opinion, "record breaking". BadMombo1660 (talk) 01:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Audrey Hale was a biological women. That was last year. 2D Is Better Than 3D (talk) 03:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

However, I don't think this should relate to the article unless more info about a motive comes out. 2D Is Better Than 3D (talk) 03:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from misgendering people. 2603:6011:9440:D700:911D:1694:6207:90C6 (talk) 03:32, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Is my statement about the Covenant Shooter being a biological woman incorrect? I think not. I'm aware of the distinction between their sex and identity. 2D Is Better Than 3D (talk) 03:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Possible motive: radical feminism

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/madison-school-shooting-suspects-alleged-anti-men-manifesto-surfaces-dont-care-if-they-are-fathers-article-116383119/amp CavDan24 (talk) 03:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks like she's a misandrist and appears that she planned the attack as an androcide that she committed. Although it hasn't announced yet, I believe that her motive was officially targeted as an androcide attack. 2600:1702:5225:C010:DCC4:327B:BD8E:8B28 (talk) 03:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Lol I seen this SSRI riddled femcel's manifesto. She REALLY hated men...

This braud said she'd like to kill ALL men on Earth, like tf? lol how tf you gonna make more people..?

Gonna be funny when wikipedia has to edit this article and expose how psychotic woman can truly be. 4chan called it, the age of femcel mass shooters is upon us. WPisOpinion (talk) 13:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

The "manifesto" is clearly fake. It is obviously written by someone who does not speak English as their first language. 176.88.37.187 (talk) 13:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I doubt that's a reliable source... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.146.116.100 (talk) 03:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I found only at least one part of info about her early life. One platform reads that Rupnow was born on November 7, 2009, but this was still unconfirmed at this time alongside where she lived at the time of birth. 2600:1702:5225:C010:4D2:B8F0:C6F0:C46C (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

If the doc is real, it should be mentioned, I guess. Wait for sources. BadMombo1660 (talk) 15:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Rupnow's Life

She lived six miles away in the north side of Madison at the time of the shooting. It's unclear if Rupnow (born 2009) lived in Madison throughout her life. 2600:1702:5225:C010:DCC4:327B:BD8E:8B28 (talk) 03:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

War Against Humanity

I made the alleged shooter's manifesto a redirect for the time being. 🐦DrWho42 👻 08:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Racist element

Though the motive hasn't explicitly been tied to racism, so far as I am aware, it has been noted that a portion of her manifesto is stemmed from anti-black views. Could this at least be worth a mention? BOTTO_(T•C) 13:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

If the victims are black, then it can be worthy of a mention, otherwise, no. BadMombo1660 (talk) 15:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

The supposed manifesto was posted by a right-wing extremist and the sources for it are currently rags like Newsweek, WSWS and Hindustan Times. It should be removed entirely and considered vandalism until multiple reliable sources back it up, and any editor taking it at face value at this point should be eyebrow-raising. 2601:1C0:5F83:DA70:3:CAAE:9904:7C7B (talk) 16:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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