This is the current revision of this page, as edited by Czello (talk | contribs) at 07:37, 19 December 2024 (Restored revision 1262473919 by Moxy (talk): Personal attacks aren't needed). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this version.
Revision as of 07:37, 19 December 2024 by Czello (talk | contribs) (Restored revision 1262473919 by Moxy (talk): Personal attacks aren't needed)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)Skip to table of contents |
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Vladimir Putin article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives: Index, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19Auto-archiving period: 14 days |
Warning: active arbitration remedies The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to the Balkans or Eastern Europe, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:
Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. |
The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information. |
This page is not a forum for general discussion about Vladimir Putin. Any such comments may be removed or refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about Vladimir Putin at the Reference desk. |
Vladimir Putin was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.This page is about a politician who is running for office or has recently run for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some current political conflict or controversy. For that reason, this article is at increased risk of biased editing, talk-page trolling, and simple vandalism.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This level-4 vital article is rated B-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article has been viewed enough times in a single year to make it into the Top 50 Report annual list. This happened in 2022, when it received 25,808,228 views. |
This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 8 times. The weeks in which this happened: |
This article has been mentioned by a media organization: |
This article has been viewed enough times to make it onto the all-time Top 100 list. It has had 77 million views since December 2007. |
Lede image
@Nick.mon -- thoughts on what the portrait of him should be? I feel the version you reverted to has slightly unnatural coloration. Cheers! JayCubby Talk 16:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JayCubby: Hi! IMHO the other version was not centered. In my view we could crop "your" version and use that, if it's true that it has a higher resolution. -- Nick.mon (talk) 16:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll upload a recropped version in a few. Cheers! JayCubby 16:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
"Dictator"
Not neutral, doesn't follow manual of style.
Also, associated account is likely a troll account, see https://en.wikipedia.org/User:GreatLeader1945/ 195.224.87.165 (talk) 15:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Taken care of. 331dot (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Is he a dictator or isn't he?
First line of Bashar Al Assad's article: "Bashar al-Assad (born 11 September 1965) is a Syrian politician and dictator who has been the 19th and current president of Syria since 2000."
First line of Putin's article: "Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (born 7 October 1952) is a Russian politician and former intelligence officer who has served as President of Russia since 2012, having previously served from 2000 to 2008."
Later on: "Under Putin's rule, the Russian political system has been transformed into an authoritarian dictatorship with a personality cult."
How can one rule a dictatorship without being a dictator? And if he is one, then why is it acceptable to list that in Assad's article but not here, or vice versa? Which is correct? Adonnus (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- To name Putin as a dictator you would need to show that the preponderance of independent reliable sources refer to him as a dictator. I believe that is the case with Assad. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that most sources call him that, because.....reasons. Probably because Russia is a world power and Syria is not. Trump's opponents say he will be a dictator but we don't name him one because most sources don't. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- How many exactly do we need for it to be considered a "preponderance"? Is there an exact number? How many reliable sources which do versus reliable sources that don't are required, or what is the ratio? Adonnus (talk) 12:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I can't give you a specific number. Obviously you can't survey every possible source on this planet, but you should at least be able to show that a wide variety of news outlets and perhaps scholarly sources like academic journals refer to Putin as a "dictator". I think most sources refer to him as "President" because he is "elected"(yes, in rigged elections with token and approved opposition). Most dictators, if they have elections at all, do it as a yes/no question with supervision of the voters(i.e. North Korea, Iraq under Saddam). 331dot (talk) 12:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- How many exactly do we need for it to be considered a "preponderance"? Is there an exact number? How many reliable sources which do versus reliable sources that don't are required, or what is the ratio? Adonnus (talk) 12:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
@GreatLeader1945 you are advised not to add anything controversial in the article. You have been reverted more than once. Please discuss, cite reliable sources and gain consensus before adding anything. Thank you. ShaanSengupta 15:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Easily sourced......and is so on every related pages that have gone through many talks. If editors are not familiar with the topic they should at least do some minimal research before posting.
- Should add to the body
Under the administrations of Vladimir Putin, Russia has experienced democratic backsliding, and has been described as an authoritarian dictatorship. Putin's policies are generally referred to as Putinism.
- what is being talked about in this case - is has Russia, that has a "dictator" moved from authoritarianism to totalitarianism?
- Greene, Samuel A.; Robertson, Graeme B. (2019). Putin v. the People: The Perilous Politics of a Divided Russia. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-23839-6. JSTOR j.ctvfc5417.
- Krzywdzinski, Martin (2020). Consent and Control in the Authoritarian Workplace: Russia and China Compared. Oxford University Press. p. 252. ISBN 978-0-19-252902-2.
officially a democratic state with the rule of law, in practice an authoritarian dictatorship
- Fischer, Sabine (2022). "Russia on the road to dictatorship". SWP Comment. Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP), German Institute for International and Security Affairs. doi:10.18449/2022C30. Retrieved 24 July 2024.
References
- Kjell Engelbrekt; Bertil Nygren, eds. (2014). Russia and Europe: Building Bridges, Digging Trenches. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-136-99200-1. Archived from the original on 13 August 2023. Retrieved 24 July 2023.
- Kiyan, Olga (9 April 2020). "Russia & Democratic Backsliding: The Future of Putinism". Harvard International Review. Harvard International Relations Council. Archived from the original on 24 February 2022. Retrieved 8 July 2022.
- Kuzio, Taras (2016). "Nationalism and authoritarianism in Russia". Communist and Post-Communist Studies. 49 (1). University of California Press: 1–11. doi:10.1016/j.postcomstud.2015.12.002. JSTOR 48610429.
- Fischer, Sabine (2022). Russia on the road to dictatorship: Internal political repercussions of the attack on Ukraine. SWP Comment (Report). doi:10.18449/2022C30. hdl:10419/256753. Archived from the original on 11 September 2022. Retrieved 11 September 2022.
- Brian D. Taylor (2018). The Code of Putinism. Oxford University Press. pp. 2–7. ISBN 978-0-19-086731-7. OCLC 1022076734.
- Kolesnikov, Andrei; Kolesnikov, Andrei. "Putin's War Has Moved Russia From Authoritarianism to Hybrid Totalitarianism". Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
- "Masha Gessen is wrong to call Russia a totalitarian state" – via The Economist.
- Niclas Spanel (14 September 2022). How authoritarian is Russia? Analysis of the form of rule from Lenin until Putin. GRIN Verlag. p. 1. ISBN 978-3-346-72357-4.
- "How Russians are protesting the war in Ukraine from a totalitarian state". May 23, 2022.
Moxy🍁 16:36, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Categories:- Misplaced Pages controversial topics
- Former good article nominees
- Misplaced Pages In the news articles
- Biography articles of living people
- Active politicians
- B-Class level-4 vital articles
- Misplaced Pages level-4 vital articles in People
- B-Class vital articles in People
- B-Class biography articles
- B-Class biography (politics and government) articles
- High-importance biography (politics and government) articles
- Politics and government work group articles
- WikiProject Biography articles
- B-Class Crime-related articles
- Mid-importance Crime-related articles
- WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography articles
- B-Class Conservatism articles
- High-importance Conservatism articles
- WikiProject Conservatism articles
- B-Class politics articles
- High-importance politics articles
- WikiProject Politics articles
- B-Class Russia articles
- Top-importance Russia articles
- Top-importance B-Class Russia articles
- B-Class Russia (sports and games) articles
- Sports and games in Russia task force articles
- B-Class Russia (politics and law) articles
- Politics and law of Russia task force articles
- WikiProject Russia articles
- B-Class Soviet Union articles
- Top-importance Soviet Union articles
- WikiProject Soviet Union articles
- B-Class 2010s articles
- High-importance 2010s articles
- WikiProject 2010s articles
- Pages in the Misplaced Pages Top 25 Report
- Misplaced Pages pages referenced by the press