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Number of suicide bombings

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In the second paragraph of the article, there is the following sentence: "The suicide bombings carried out by Palestinian assailants became one of the more prominent features of the Second Intifada and mainly targeted Israeli civilians, contrasting with the relatively less violent nature of the First Intifada, which took place between 1987 and 1993."

I think this should be:

"The 146 suicide bombings carried out by Palestinian assailants became one of the more prominent features of the Second Intifada and mainly targeted Israeli civilians, contrasting with the relatively less violent nature of the First Intifada, which took place between 1987 and 1993."

The number of suicide bombings is mentioned in sources that are already on that sentence.

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"Since the outbreak of the second intifada in late September 2000 until today, there were approximately 146 suicide attacks, and more than 389 suicide attacks have been foiled" in Schweitzer, Y. (2010). "The rise and fall of suicide bombings in the second Intifada". Strategic Assessment. 13 (3): 39–48.

Similar figures are also quoted in other reputable sources. The number of attempted suicide attacks may also be relevant, but that number is likely more open to debate. The sources I have checked generally show approximately 140-50 suicide bombings and approximately 350-450 attempts. It depends a bit on whether you count each sucide bomber separately or each attack separately since some attacks had more than. 1 bomber. But the numbers in the existing sources conform to this range.

In any case, I think putting a number such as 146 or range such as 140-150 is necessary to describe the frequency of these attacks during this time period which was a major feature of the intifada and characterized the Israeli POV of the period.

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@PeleYoetz: Kindly explain these reverts and why, exactly, they are not improvements (any of them). Selfstudier (talk) 18:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@PeleYoetz: Not sure how reducing and summarizing the lede into genuinely four-well composed paragraphs, and improving the chronology of the lede is not an improvement? Makeandtoss (talk) 22:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

If you make another revert before discussing these reverts, or make further reverts on other pages without discussion I will topic ban you from ARBPIA. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: PeleYoetz has continued editing while avoiding this talk page despite your warnings. Important to note that their revert that they are seemingly refusing to discuss is disruptive as it had indiscriminately mass reverted dozens of good faith edits and improvements made to the lede. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2024

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The use of the term "Combatant" is frequently used in the article and it should read "terrorist". A Combatant is a members of an armed force who operate according to the laws and customs of war. Combatants are commanded by a person in charge of their subordinates, wear a distinctive sign, and carry their arms openly.

"Suicide bombers" the main characteristic of the 2nd intifada is not in accordance with any law or custom of war. Its savagery and terrorism. Please correct. 159.250.158.135 (talk) 16:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Not done: Misplaced Pages has a policy of not calling people or groups "terrorist". This is not an indication of condoning "terrorist" activities, but of neutrality, and avoidance of passing judgment, affirming or denying. Please debate the merit of this policy at WT:Words to avoid, not here. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Opening paragraph

The last two references at the opening paragraph are odd and tackle a side aspect of this article, the quotes seem to exist to promote a certain point of view, so why is this still here? Makeandtoss (talk) 12:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The cause of the intifada and the scale of the repression when it was still a nonviolent uprising are side aspects? DMH223344 (talk) 23:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I am referring to the sources of:

: Opportunity, Culture and Agency: Influences on Fatah and Hamas Strategic Action during the Second Intifada

: A Globalized Conflict: European Anti-Jewish Violence during the Second Intifada

They are out of place and were recently inserted to highlight some quotes in them that do not directly relate to the Second Intifada as a whole. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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“occupation” should be taken out as not everybody sees it that way, so it is biased. 2600:1001:B032:1AE3:5C4E:61DC:DC8:4D00 (talk) 09:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done. edit requests should be uncontroversial Rainsage (talk) 06:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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