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Take your time dear. Anyways welcome back. Being an everyday contributor is not easy. I always face troubles as I edit, but I can resolve slowly. Ahri Boy (talk) 22:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I voted against you as an administrator because I thought your expression of political beliefs was disqualifying, although they're not dissimilar from my own. However, you've been a good administrator. That's a real compliment coming from me because I recognize your name and I don't often recall the names of people I encounter here. Welcome to the world of humble content creators! We're a happy crew, although our names and deeds on Misplaced Pages are "writ in water." Smallchief (talk) 00:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! In my time away from adminship I wrote, expanded, and/or GA/FA/FL'd ten articles ( 1967 Lake Erie skydiving disaster,  Advisory Neighborhood Commission district 7F08,  Capri-Sun,  Celebrity Number Six,  Cover-up tattoo,  Death of Richard Swanson, F1NN5TER, Ray cat,  Terminology of transgender anatomy, and  When a man argues against two beautiful ladies like this, they are going to have the last word). Being able to focus on content to that degree was really gratifying, and if "writ in water" was good enough for Keats, it's good enough for me. Being able to be away from Misplaced Pages entirely, without feeling any sense of obligation, was also a really good feeling. I'm trying to keep both of those feelings in mind as I return to adminning. Obviously it's impossible to opt out of our social economy, but now I avoid the more reckless forms of social capital gambling and the "buying" of blocks and block avoidance. The irony is that doing good admin work while avoiding drama is itself a good source of social capital... but I'll continue to abstain from the more Machiavellian parts of the system to the extent that I can. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for these thoughts, Tamzin, and I'm sorry for your loss. Some of the feelings you and your friend described are the reasons I have never thought for more than a couple of seconds about subjecting myself to RFA, let alone the day-to-day grind of being an admin, despite a clean block log and 350,000 edits, nearly all fixing errors and editing templates. I have made the mistake in life of taking on additional responsibility that came with little reward and a lot of negative energy, and I'm trying to avoid making that mistake again. Thanks for your admin work and your content creation work, and for this essay. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Interesting perspective, especially since it's very different from my own (for reference, we first interacted shortly after I first became an admin in late 2011). Starting with the fact that, though RfA was brutal then too, mine was almost too easy; at that time IRL I was pretty aimless (I've since gotten it together and lead a very active life), so admin work at least gave me something to do. Those who were around then will remember my sparring with the WMF, which I was eventually vindicated on, which was every bit as hard as it looked; even that felt entirely separate from anything else I was doing on Misplaced Pages. Even when I make a tough call or wade into a large dispute, it all feels very light to me because nothing that happens here will affect my livelihood. Sometimes I forget not everyone who does admin work experiences it the same way; it's a good reminder to me that I should intervene if I can see handling a situation will be less of a mental burden for me than someone else, and to look out for signs of a community discussion getting to where the heat/light ratio is tilting towards the former. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• A deep, yet inspiring reading, thank you for posting the op-ed to The Signpost and welcome back! –Vulcan❯❯❯Sphere! 05:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Great observations and analysis. Also

• Someone who wanted to leave for those reasons is the person who we most need to have stay.
• Few have figured out why RFA is so rough which is why we haven't fixed it yet.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• I only noticed Vami IV when participating in the Wikicup this year. Seeing his submissions inspired me improve my editing. Though I did not have the opportunity to get to know him, I was greatly saddened to hear of his death during the Wikicup and I appreciate learning more about the circumstances in this editorial. Thank you Tamzin. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Social capital is not an inherently bad thing. It's a metaphor for the trust and faith that other community members have in you. Like financial capital, you can reinvest it by making good decisions that benefit others, which provides more capital. You can spend it by being mean to others or making bad decisions. Capital accumulation serves those that make good decisions and benefit the communities they are in. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 00:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't disagree with any of that. For instance, I choose to spend some of my social capital on blocking people who promote fascism. Those blocks can be controversial, and whether they stick often depends on the social standing of the admin who blocks, and yes you can justify that as "Social capital == trusted by the community that this borderline block is sound", although I think it's naïve to say that's the only reason, when there's also "Social capital == it's socially costly to criticize this action". The real problem emerges when people use their accumulated social capital to bully topic-area opponents, to blindly close ranks behind bad decisions by admins, to flex muscles at AN/I and run someone off for not kowtowing, that sort of thing. The economics of social capital are an inherent aspect of human interaction, but allowing their abuse is not—much like a give-and-take is an inherent form of a romantic relationship, but certain forms of it can lead to toxicity or even abuse, while other forms are just how it works to be married. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 00:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamzin: If we're analyzing social interactions through capital, one way to prevent abuse is by increasing the costs of certain actions. WP:NONAZIS as an essay has significantly increased the costs of openly promoting fascism on-wiki and has made it easier to make certain blocks.

I believe Misplaced Pages needs to focus on creating more explicit principles so we can argue from a shared understanding of what our value system is. It is expensive to fight against an institutionalized culture: institutionalizing a culture of civility and respect for sources is something that will benefit the encyclopedia. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 05:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Funny, I have a project on the back burner kind of about that. I'll drop you a ping if anything comes of it. :) -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)