Talk:Tornadoes of 2022 - Misplaced Pages

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Daniel (talk | contribs) at 22:37, 26 December 2024 (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tornado outbreak of November 29–30, 2022 closed as merge (XFDcloser)). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Revision as of 22:37, 26 December 2024 by Daniel (talk | contribs) (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tornado outbreak of November 29–30, 2022 closed as merge (XFDcloser))(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)

The article Tornado outbreak of November 29–30, 2022 was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 26 December 2024 with a consensus to merge the content into Tornadoes of 2022. If you find that such action has not been taken promptly, please consider assisting in the merger instead of re-nominating the article for deletion. To discuss the merger, please use this talk page. Do not remove this template after completing the merger. A bot will replace it with {{afd-merged-from}}.

view · edit Frequently asked questions

Q: Why are tornadoes with higher damage totals are listed in the article, but are not listed in the costliest United States tornadoes section?

A: Per Misplaced Pages’s policy on verifiability, a secondary reliable source must directly reference a tornado as Xth-costliest tornado for the list. A community consensus concluded that NOAA information used for a tornado’s damage total is not solely sufficient references for the list.

This article is rated B-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Years

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Years, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Years on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.YearsWikipedia:WikiProject YearsTemplate:WikiProject YearsYears
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Lists Unassessed

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Misplaced Pages. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's quality scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Weather: Thunderstorms / Tornadoes Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Weather, which collaborates on weather and related subjects on Misplaced Pages. To participate, help improve this article or visit the project page for details.

WeatherWikipedia:WikiProject WeatherTemplate:WikiProject WeatherWeather

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by WikiProject Severe weather (assessed as Low-importance).

This article was created or improved during The 2022 C/B Class Drive of WikiProject Weather, which started in January 2022 and is ongoing. You can help!

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

Low-end EF4 damage to a home in Winterset, Iowa.png

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 06:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Large EF4 tornado near Clarksville.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 07:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Which image for the May 4–6 (Central and Eastern United States) section

There is a disagreement between editors on which image should be used for the May 4–6 (Central and Eastern United States) section. So, which image should be used for the section?

Current image – Low-end EF3 damage to a large metal power pole near Lockett, Texas.
File:May 4, 2022 Seminole, Oklahoma Tornado.jpg A tornado near Seminole, Oklahoma on May 4.

The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

Option 2 – The Commons only has 6 images in the Category of Pictures of tornadoes in 2022. Currently, only 2 of those 6 images are used on this page, and a ton of the current images on the page are damage images, including Option 1, the current image in the section. For the reason of diversity, and how few tornado images are avalible to use for this article, Option 2 should be used. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

NOTE - Discussion moved below this to a formal Request for Comment (RfC). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

RfC - Which image is best in the Tornadoes of 2022 article

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The discussion ended in consensus for retaining the current image. Image 2 is just too fuzzy. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Which image should be used for the May 4–6 (Central and Eastern United States) section, on the Tornadoes of 2022 article?

Current image – Low-end EF3 damage to a large metal power pole near Lockett, Texas.
File:May 4, 2022 Seminole, Oklahoma Tornado.jpg A tornado near Seminole, Oklahoma on May 4.
A third image if anyone proposes one.

The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

Extra information for technical purposes: There is a disagreement between editors for which image (option 1 or 2) should be used for the section. Following the WP:BRD process, a discussion was started, which did not garner any opinions besides discussion starter in 10 days. Following a 0RR process, an RfC was started, as the original discussion included a mention on the WikiProject Weather talk page, which also failed to gather new opinions. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Option 2 – The Commons only has 6 images in the Category of Pictures of tornadoes in 2022. Currently, only 2 of those 6 images are used on this page, and a ton of the current images on the page are damage images, including Option 1, the current image in the section. For the reason of diversity, and how few tornado images are available to use for this article, Option 2 should be used. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Option 1 - If option 2 were not so fuzzy and indistinct, WeatherWriter's position would be unassailable. Image 1, however, is emblematic of tornado damage, and it is a relatively strong image on its own behalf from the standpoints of composition and visual appeal. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:32, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Option 1 I agree with Last1in that it would be nice to have an image of a tornado, but the quality of image 2 is just poor. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Option 1 – per above. United States Man (talk) 02:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Option 1. I am responding to the request for comment about which picture to use. As general background, I am faculty at a well-known R1 University and have significant science knowledge, although I do not know much more than a layperson about weather. The second image is somewhat blurry, whereas the first is quite clear. More importantly, there is already a radar loop for the first tornado. If the second image were to be used it would replace this loop, which I do not consider useful. Therefore Option 1 is IMHO the only viable one.

Also I have to add that I had great trouble reading this article, and the earlier 2021 one (for context and comparison). They are incredibly dry lists which few will ever read beyond the first paragraph or two. There are enough meteorologists who have public jobs that someone should be able to make useful format suggestions.Ldm1954 (talk) 22:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Option 1 for the reasons above. HenryMP02 (talk) 17:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Option 1 I'm usually for tornado pictures, but option 2 doesn't really show anything (I dare say that that tornado was still a funnel cloud at the time as I see no damage being done; I also saw the event on TC as I live near this area). The damage photo is much more striking in this case. ChessEric 19:12, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Option 1 I would've gone for Image 2 if it wasn't in poor quality, the damage photo suits better. Tails Wx 02:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

~~==== Alt proposal: Option 3 ====~~

I think that this comes close enough to solving the quality issue of Option 2 while still depicting an actual tornado and not just damage. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I should note that the proposed image is from December 2022, and this proposal is for a section in May. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

ahhh - didn't see that. I'm withdrawing. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 18:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Categories: