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The Short description generally follows the basic information contained in the lead of the article. He is not much known as a footballer. Icke seems to be best known as a conspiracy theorist. This article starts David Vaughan Icke (...) is an English conspiracy theorist and ... so a Short description of English conspiracy theorist (born 1952) is reasonable. — GhostInTheMachine11:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Also agree, he never hit the big time as a footballer, was somewhat more successful as a BBC sports presenter, and then really hit the big time with his alternative (cough cough) theories.--♦IanMacM♦11:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Saying "x is an antisemite" in Wikivoice is a very serious and potentially libellous accusation, and it is always best to err on the side of caution by attributing it. Take it to WP:BLPN if you care enough. By my reading of what scholars of new religious movements and that ilk have said of Icke (and they are probably the most qualified to understand him), they tend to see his claims regarding the protocols of Zion as part of the smorgasbord of his conspiracy worldview, and that his claims about reptilians are sincere and not merely a code for Jews. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Re: lizard people being divorced from antisemitism: first of all, it is a common dog whistle. Secondly, here is a screengrab from one of his youtube videos prior to it getting nuked (preserved in this article). You will notice that the lizard people have stars of david and israeli and american flags on them. Please share a link to research that refutes this.
Re: antisemite vs. antisemitic opinions:
He was banned from entering Australia and the Netherlands for his antisemitism. He's been called an antisemite in the news , had academics call him antisemitic, and the Center for Countering Digital Hate produced a 25 page report that stated, in part:
"These features form a funnel structure that directs curious viewers from popular channels that regularly present Icke as an expert speaker on coronavirus, through to Icke’s own videos that play into current trends on hate and misinformation, arriving finally at the antisemitism that underpins all of Icke’s work."
If that's not an antisemite, I don't know what is. I hear you about the need to err on the side of caution, but I think it's also important to ask: what kind of caution? Of course we need to be careful not to expose wikipedia to litigation.
BUT we also need to use caution that we don't downplay hate.
WP:BLP says BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone and Do not label people with contentious labels, loaded language, or terms that lack precision unless a person is commonly described that way in reliable sources I simply don't think your version passes this. I think we can say "a number of academics and journalists have described his claims about elders of Zion and the Rothschilds as antisemitic" but "Icke is an antisemite" is going too far. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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Done I broke it into two wikilinks. One to Reptile and the other to Shapeshifting. Cullen328 (talk) 23:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
