Talk:Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War

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The first paragraph of the International Reactions header is repeated twice. Zargham Ali (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Done--❯❯❯Pravega 16:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Not All

Not all Imams and Mullahs said that in support of Pakistan, Many Imams and other religious scholars supported the Bangladesh Liberation Cause or condemned the assault. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 14:38, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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@Nomian: Do you have any sources to dispute the content you are reverting so far? Just citing the lack of existence of a talk page discussion is not enough. See WP:STONEWALL. Nxcrypto Message 00:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I have restored the status quo version before the edit wars began. This version is more than a year old and much more stable than the version I reverted. There are a lot of issues with the reverted version, some of which I am explaining below:

The version says "Bengali Muslims were targeted in this pogrom due to supposedly retaining Hindu traditions." That is a blatant WP:OR since there is no source that says "Bengali Muslims" were "targeted", it is the Hindus who were targeted according to the sources. The quotation from the cited source says "Muslim Bengali women have been raped by Pakistani soldiers", yes they were raped but the targets were essentially Hindus. see Islam, M. Rafiqul (2019). National Trials of International Crimes in Bangladesh: Transitional Justice as Reflected in Judgments. BRILL. pp. 175. ISBN 978-90-04-38938-0. quote: "The Pakistani occupation army and its local collaborators targeted mostly the Hindu women and girls for rape and sexual violence."

The version also says "Bengali Muslim men were targets of rape by West Pakistani soldiers as well." That is another WP:OR, as I said, there is no source that says Bengali Muslims were the targets. The cited source here says "Oral testimonies I have gathered suggest that Bengali Muslim men were raped", this is a personal opinion of the author, and thus WP:PRIMARY, fails WP:HISTRS. Yet, the source in no part says that they were the "targets".

I would also recommend reading The Blood Telegram: Nixon, Kissinger, and a Forgotten Genocide by Gary J. Bass, a breakthrough research on this genocide where he states, there was mounting evidence that among the Bengalis, the Hindu minority was doubly marked out for persecution. Essentially, it is the targeting of the Hindus that makes it a case for genocide. You can also read a review of the book by PTI, here. A.Musketeer (talk) 01:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

What you recommend has no bearing on this article. You admit that Bengali Muslim women were raped (which is what the citation says), though you have omitted this entirely from the article.

The University of Florida Press reference says "Muslim Bengali women have been raped by Pakistani soldiers to "cleanse" them of their alleged tendencies to uphold their Hindu traditions." Yet, you removed that as well. Nxcrypto Message 04:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

As I see it, Nomnian and A.Musketeer appear to wanting to portray this topic as a religious conflict, when it was in fact an ethnic one. The citations that were added to the article meet the WP:RS policy and if the wording could be improved, that's fine. But to delete the citations and content entirely reeks of POV pushing and censorship. desmay (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Leaving the aspersions aside, personal observations are not WP:RS, much less WP:HISTRS. @Nxcrypto: are you sure that the award-winning book by Gary Bass is not relevant here? It is in fact the most authoritative source you could find on this topic. The first two sentences in the lead says "members of the Pakistani military and Razakar paramilitary force raped between 200,000 and 400,000 Bengali women and girls in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape. Most of the rape victims of the Pakistani Army and its allies were Hindu women." It perfectly states that Bengali women of all religions were raped but Hindus were disproportionately affected which is aligned with what the sources say. I would also quote the East Pakistan Staff Study (1972) of International Commission of Jurists, "In our view there is a strong prima facie case that the crime of genocide was committed against the group comprising the Hindu population of East Bengal." A.Musketeer (talk) 21:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

A.Musketeer, leave false warnings on my talk page all that you want, but at the end of the day, you have removed material that talks about how non-Hindus were affected from this article. And the citations that you removed are reliable. desmay (talk) 23:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not surprised that you have nothing to say about the sources and quotations I have discussed here. Pushing a POV that undermines the genocidal claims by mispresenting the sources, adding WP:UNDUE to the lead, and non-WP:HISTRS sources would always be removed. A.Musketeer (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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