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• The prior discussion of the Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 crash has been removed, but it was suggested to add "is shot down" to the blurb. I want to point out that at this point, our article does not factually state that it was shot down, and clearly has positioned it as a possible factor, but still with no definitive conclusion that it was. It is far better to stick with the clear crash aspect rather than jump to a conclusion that is not yet considered fact. I have removed "is shot down" from the blurb for this reason. --Masem (t) 17:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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• that a reviewer identified an "audible contempt" for men in the songs of Ceechynaa, who entered the UK singles chart earlier this month with "Peggy? I fail to see how this does not "unduly focus on negative aspects of living person". I'd think contempt for half the populace is a negative thing. Pinging Launchballer and Jolielover. Sincerely, Dilettante 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Not undue; she is literally notable for songs about that. Otherwise, "that the "Peggy" musician Ceechynaa worked in the sex industry before her music career?" should work instead. Pinging also @Crisco 1492 and Z1720:.--Launchballer 00:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Yeah, I wouldn't call that "undue", or even necessarily negative. Same reason I'd expect a bon mot like "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" to be allowed for a blurb for Irina Dunn or Gloria Steinem. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Seconding this; the hook also specifically refers to songs by her which should not be a violation. jolielover♥talk 09:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

This is a blatant breach of WP:DYKBLP. Her having a "contempt for men" is not something that sources widely agree on, and is clearly a negative description of her, so is unudue negativity in a DYK Hook. There is no issue with having it in the article, where it sits in context, but not as a standalone one-liner on the main page. Not keen on focusing on her work in the sex industry either for similar reasons. I've amended to mention the review which is more positive sounding "proudly waving the sexual liberation flag". If this is no good then I think a pull might be the only other option.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

For the future, I'd also point out that we've got a MOS:SAID violation here: we shouldn't use "identified X" for a subjective judgement, but a more subjective phrase like "considered", "believed", "judged", "opined" or so on. "Identified" implies that we are endorsing this judgement. UndercoverClassicist 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• ... that nearly 300 construction workers showed up to work at 8 am to continue building reactors 5 and 6, unaware of the Chernobyl disaster? The source reads "Despite the disaster unfolding next door at 8am that morning, the 286 construction workers of the day shift clocked on." I can't find any mention as to whether the workers were aware, though it's possible the reference didn't fully load for me. Pinging Hawkeye7 and Bollardant. Sincerely, Dilettante 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, Dilettante! Changed unaware of to despite :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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I'm really nervous about running Grapefruit (nom). Are Go Florida Grapefruit (assoc. of grapefruit sellers), Texas Sweet (twice, also grapefruit seller), this blog, this tour website, and this 130-year-old government(?) report really reliable and independent sources? The article cites two recipes (1 2) for the claim that grapefruit is used in cooking fish even though neither of those pages actually verify that claim, and drugs.com for a whole bunch of serious MEDRS claims? I think this article needs some more attention before showtime. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• These issues don't seem to be show-stoppers and don't relate to the planned hook. For example, the Florida trade association is used to verify a list of varieties which seems reasonable. The medical issue is perhaps the most serious but note that we have an entire article about that alone: Grapefruit–drug interactions. What I find puzzling is that there's zero mention of the famous Grapefruit diet but that's not a DYK showstopper either.

Anyway, let's ping Chiswick Chap who nominated this as a GA and is quite diligent.

Andrew🐉(talk) 18:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Andrew, none of the questions seem to be relevant to DYK (and I did the GAN, not the DYK). I'll have a go at fixing them, but I'd suggest that should be purely in parallel with the DYK as the matters don't intersect. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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• At "more than 3000 years" maybe insert comma in 3000 per all over thousands in blurb? JennyOz (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

   Done  — Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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