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    Extended-confirmed-protected edit request October 26, 2024

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    There are 2 bare URLs in the "References" section. I have created full citations for those URLs:

    Please convert those bare URLs into citations. Thank you.

    (Note: The bare URLs are already marked as such. Just do Ctrl+F search of "bare URL" to find them) ApexParagon (talk) 03:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

     Done Thanks for picking those up. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 03:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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    In the part about years 1947-1948 and the partition plan, this article fails to mention that the partition plan was agreed by the Israeli side, and declined by the arab side. It also states that a civil war had started, without mentioning that 6 Arab countries joined the attack on 1948 (started as a civil war, and became a war between countries). 38.87.93.153 (talk) 07:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

     Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Remsense ‥ 论 07:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
    Currently it says in part In 1947, the UN adopted a partition plan for a two-state solution in the remaining territory of the mandate. The plan was accepted by the Jewish leadership but rejected by the Arab leaders, and Britain refused to implement the plan. Am I missing something? I believe this is accurate and verifiable, but it's not currently supported by any inline sources, and should be. Andrewa (talk) 06:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

    "State of Palestine'" listed at Redirects for discussion

    The redirect State of Palestine' has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 7 § State of Palestine' until a consensus is reached. Ca 15:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

    "Palestinian Olympians proudly represent their nation on the international stage"

    Non-informative statement, with a supportive tone, that fails to meet NPOV criteria. Pacifico (talk) 17:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

    agreed, they are hardly going to do it in shame. Slatersteven (talk) 17:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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    Under the ethnic groups category, "Palestinian Arabs" is listed as the only ethnic group. However, there are many ethnic groups, including Armenians and Syriac Palestinians. I think that having this category is not useful. However, if it is going to be on the page, it should include more of the ethnicities in Palestine. SirCapybara (talk) 16:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

     Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ultraodan (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    To improve clarity, revise sentence re. Partition Plan

    Current: ". . . proposed a _partition plan_, for two independent Arab and Jewish states and an independent entity for Jerusalem, but. . . ."

    Suggested revision: ". . . in 1947 proposed that Palestine be partitioned (divided) into two independent states, one Arab and the other Jewish. The _partition plan_ specified that Jerusalem become an independent international city. But. . . ."

    Note: _partition plan_ is an existing link, which I propose remain untouched. Avi (talk) 11:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    Diacritics

    @Freedoxm—as I insuated, the problem with the tashkil here is that they are totally unnecessary. Really, that is all I need, since I would imagine the responsibility is really on you to have an actual reason to add them. They introduce an awful lot of visual noise, and do not aid in their purpose for being (e.g. a plain reference for what we assume is an audience that speaks English but not necessarily another language. In fact, their use might be harder, as these are not the usual forms; instead, they have been loaded with symbols that are used while teaching children and students how to read. If that is part of your motivation here I want to strongly push back against it, as Misplaced Pages is not a how-to guide We do not place Arabic text such that it is maximally helpful to those who are learning the language.

    Please self-revert, as your changes are completely arbitrary and nonstandard, and like I said can easily concretely hurt more than they help. Remsense ‥ 论 06:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Fixed the ping. Hope you don't mind. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    (Guh, thank you. How did I even do that badly?) Remsense ‥ 论 07:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    How is it unnecessary? Besides, what's wrong with diacritics???🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 21:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    Don't just ask the same question you did in the edit summary please. I gave you reasons directly above. If you cannot actually give a good reason for the addition, please self-revert. Remsense ‥ 论 22:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    that violates the entire purpose, but since you want my attention, i'll do it. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 22:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Requested move 31 December 2024

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    State of Palestine → Palestine – Per WP:COMMONNAME, and for conciseness and consistency, the article should be moved. It was established that the State of Palestine is the primary topic for Palestine in the English language here, and the Palestine page is currently a redirect to the State of Palestine article. The State of Palestine is most commonly referred to as simply Palestine. In the cases of other county articles which also may refer to a region and in which the country is the primary topic, such as Syria and Syria (region) and Italy and Italy (geographical region), the country article titles reflect the common name rather than the full name. 2018rebel 01:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

    • Support move. This is a perennial move request, but I feel like it's finally been established that "Palestine" overwhelmingly refers to the country. O.N.R.  02:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Commonname is a bit of a red herring here, as this page is named as it is due to disambiguation of the commonname of Palestine. There are also other countries not primary to their region such as Congo and Ireland. That said, this is a ptopic question, and that seems to have been the issue discussed at Talk:Palestine (disambiguation)#Requested move 29 June 2024. I'm surprised the disambiguation was moved independently of this page. CMD (talk) 09:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    • This has been a long running affair on WP (where the official position of Israel and its supporters/the US, has been that Palestine either isn't a state, doesn't exist and/or refers to all of Palestine including Israel and/or is a POV violation, etc etc and so attempts to move this page to Palestine have always failed as can be seen above, the most recent attempt being Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 19#Requested move 18 April 2024. Yes, the ideal set up would probably be Palestine (this page) and a disambiguation page for everything else and it would seem that when people say/write Palestine, they in all likelihood are referring to what is officially (by ISO/The UN) called the State of Palestine. Is there a tech whiz about that can see where users go after having entered Palestine in the search box? Selfstudier (talk) 09:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      I don't know the answer to your question, but I can see the pageviews including from redirects that end up here. No idea why the API breaks the Arabic redirects up into individual letters. The numbers won't match precisely with number above the lead because the API sets the end date back one day (to yesterday) whereas I count 30 days back from now. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Rename per nom This is the primary usage of Palestine, as now clearly set down by the target of the redirect, so this is not comparable to cases like Congo and Ireland. There's no need to redirect to a longer form when the shorter name is the most common. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      This reference to Congo and Ireland is a bit circular, but the odd thing here is the technical situation arising where that comparison could have been made. The disambiguation move has put these out of kilter, because as you say given Palestine as a redirect points here, it then follows from the naming guidelines that this page should have been moved to that redirect as it no longer needed disambiguation. CMD (talk) 10:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      Right in theory but this is Palestine and invariably problematic. Selfstudier (talk) 10:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      That shouldn't mean we complicate it further by an Ptopic move that doesn't actually move the Ptopic. Your question above for example would be easy to answer if the disambiguation page still disambiguated from the base name, as the data would be on WikiNav. At a look through I can't see an easy option to pull March data. CMD (talk) 14:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Oppose. As of now, this is emphatically not the primary meaning of Palestine. Palestine (region) or the dab page should be at that name. The redirect was and is a bad idea. As I said in that RM, ngrams show usage of "Palestine" has only modestly increased since 1948. In other words, we have good reason to think the word has the same meaning in 2024 as it did in 1924. And nobody meant "State of Palestine" until very recently. —Srnec (talk) 01:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
      Comment Could that data also be interpreted to suggest that Mandatory Palestine, rather than the region, was the primary topic between 1920 and 1948. For at least the past five years, the articles for the State of Palestine, Mandatory Palestine, and Occupied Palestinian territories (incl. previous name) had more monthly views than Palestine (region), with State of Palestine having an absolute majority (62%) of the number of views during the period. Thus, by number of page views, Palestine (region) is the fourth most-visited page that potentially means Palestine. 2018rebel 02:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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