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Evidence presented by Poeticbent

Rename this case to Eastern European disputes

Out of respect for ArbCom invaluable time, I support my assertion only by edits and diffs provided already by the involved parties in their initial statements even though the stream of supporting evidence is growing. Most recently, the majority of them (Piotrus, M.K, Irpen, Dr. Dan, Lysy, Halibutt) engaged in a highly politicized dispute over the content of WWII Operation Wilno. However, their edit summaries remained cordial throughout in spite of numerous edit wars. User:M.K made his first Main Space edit by flagging the article with disputed {{NPOV-title}} tag only after the article was already 6,244 characters long, 3 months after it appeared on the front page of Misplaced Pages in section "Did You Know?", and after a long period of thoughtful and prudent editing by Piotrus who created the article. Corresponding remarks made by User:M.K on Talk page were casual at best. Both users provided reference for their conflicting points of view. There was no bad faith on either side, only bouts of frustration resulting from two different perspectives on one historical event.

The example proves that the request for arbitration against Piotrus was little more than an attempt at scaring off or tiring out an editor who's used to defending his sources. However, the issues are broader than that and should be addressed by arbitrators as such. The stream of requests for arbitration will continue until ArbCom finds a way of easing the situation before a new generation of editors arises. Please rename this case and use it for future reference to our joint benefit. --Poeticbent  talk  03:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Evidence presented by user:M.K

First of all, I want to thank ArbCom members who accepted and willing to solve this case regarding contributor Piotrus behavior. I will present expanded evidence regarding this contributor’s behavior.

Removal or referenced information

These misconducts are one of the main characteristics of user:Piotrus, who engage removal or referenced information, which is not suits his POV: small example of this behavior pattern.

Fueling revert wars

Such tendentious and one sided edits, usually accompanied with WP:OR and strong POV, fueling revert wars (present an history sections):

Accompanied with such edit summaries as “you are joking? please stop restoring Soviet propaganda” , “preposterous claim” and by making his famous NPOV after which referenced text usually disappear As I noted in the main ArbCom case he was blocked for WP:3RR , instead of acknowledging his mistakes he tried blame bad faith contributor, and if contributor who reported him, indeed had bad faith and the block was unjustified there had to be issued an technical block to denounce previous one at least. There is no such, so we can see that he breached the WP:3RR rule, which is installed to prevent revert wars.

I also initiated another case regarding his reverts and as I understand the case did not resulted any actions due to demonstrated self revert. But that is troubling to me is that in his comment he tried to show that he was conducted some sort of established contributor's “vandalism” removal , and on reviewing 3RR board admin talk page he quite unethical accused involved contributors of “Holocaust revisionism” . I hope that ArbCom members will familiarized themselves with these claims and my filled 3RR case.

Violating WP:LIVING

In the initial case I posted some evidence regarding this problem and now I elaborate on this issue, as it is very important not only to particular involved parties but and Misplaced Pages general, as such violations leaves Misplaced Pages vulnerable. Violation of this policy directly involves Habilitated Doctor of Humanities Kazimieras Garšva, one of his investigation fields is crimes carried out by Polish insurgents, so you may understand that Polish public do not like him much (say at least).

Violations started then Piotrus started to placing doubtful and badly attributed sources , WP:LIVING clearly states “Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Misplaced Pages articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.” Inserting some none English information from tourism portal, badly labeling it as Lithuanian embassy site hardly can be called “high quality references”. But the problems did not end, soon after another related article was created with quite clear WP:POINT intentions (observe edit summary) problems with references there exported and with particular living person and others directly connected article, but now problems became even more evident, presented “sources” not only did no direct concur statements in article but also there were contradicting, seeing such misuse of sources and “referenced” quotations I took necessary steps authorized by WP:LIVING policy, which states “Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion” as problems continued I asked for more contributors to check usage of citations and references as the major claims of this article there pointing to Polish sources. But in vain all my work there reverted citation request as well by Piotrus. Who even tried to argue that WP:Living policy is not applied in other articles which deals with living persons life facts, while policy suggest contrary – “This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons in other articles.” Even more policy allows to removed false claims from talk pages (!). Such basic information should now all admins. And more Piotrus argued that everything is verified After some time he personally found flaws in his attribution of claims with references . Misuse of sources and quotations are present after some time as well, of course if proper cite and reference check was completed such problems would be solved. Even now, both creator of this article and admin Piotrus, starting to invent new things how references should labeled and used, instead finding high quality and neutral ones . This is one side of problem, another one that he started to mock from the living person Mr. Garšva even more labeling various tags to contributors who challenges his claims (“It saddens me to see that we have editors who support point of views of extremist organizations”) (“Definite proof we have Vilnija fans among us”) etc. Yet another example of tendentious Piotrus’s edits – article in question heavily rely on Polish newspapers, while non Polish newspapers cant be used in other articles .

Recruiting support for proper articles versions?

I have serious thoughts regarding some articles that some editors there brought to scene only to revert “proper” version of articles preferred by Piotrus. My findings of this issue covered here then one particular contributor user: LUCPOL, closely associated with Piotrus, reverts articles to the Piotrus versions. The feelings of not tolerated behavior surges then noticing that LUCPOL just reverts “proper version” without contributions on talk or in main space nor before nor after reverts, and in these cases Piotrus already in dispute with others. Assuming good faith I would like to ask Piotrus – do you ever asked or suggested directly or indirectly to User: LUCPOL that he should revert some articles’ versions in which you there in dispute?

P.S. I intend to continue presenting evidence in upcoming days. M.K. 13:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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