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Hello ImprobabilityDrive! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions to this 💕. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 01:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC) Getting started Misplaced Pages tutorial • The five pillars of Misplaced Pages How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Misplaced Pages is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Fair use • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The "perfect" article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

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Feel Free to leave me a message.

What's with the archiving and welcoming yourself?

Um, why did you archive ongoing discussion about your activity and the questions that you had previous accounts? I still would like to know how you learned to sign your name and learned all those tags within minutes of registering on wikipedia.

At least six other editors have issues with your POV pushing. Why did you remove ongoing issues?

Also why did you not only remove that information, but why did you welcome yourself to wikipedia? Arbustoo 03:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Arbusto. You will have to wait while I search for a search for A mentor, per some suggestions I received earlier. Infinite Improbability Drive 03:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Will a mentor know why you removed serious ongoing issues from your talk, then archived at User talk:ImprobabilityDrive/Archive001 only to use the smallest size on your talk? Arbustoo 03:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Arbustoo, I have given you answers multiple times. According to this, you still have not fixed the tags, as you stated you would. If you would like, you may send me an email. But until I get a mentor, you should, if you would, refrain from posting to my talk page. Also, if you respond here, I will answer here. But please be advised that I under obligation no obligation to answer questions, however I see fit. Infinite Improbability Drive 04:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

No you did not answer my questions. Also you removed information that you were blocked. The person who unblocked you thinks you are a sock. Arbustoo 04:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, why did you re-welcome yourself with other people's signatures? Arbustoo 04:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I think ID was utilizing the template and signature from the original person who welcomed him. See the original welcome. As a suggestion ID, you should put a comment in the edit summary stating what you did, just in case. Let's assume good faith with this editor. Orangemarlin 05:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering why the welcome was so drastically changed, and why this user welcomed himself then changed the signature. Arbustoo 05:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't know. Let ID answer that question if he so chooses. I believe the meg template autosigns names, so that would be his mistake. That's a wild-ass guess. Orangemarlin 07:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I added the same exact template to my page, and it put my signature on it. I did this long ago, because I like the quick links to various Wiki rules and the such, I use it all the time. Someone else placed another template on there, which I didn't like. Again, ID has done a number of things that justify suspicion, this isn't one of them. Orangemarlin 07:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Various things

See WP:ARCHIVE for how to archive stuff. As to not recusing myself- since I was arguing with you, unblocking you didn't seem to require a recusal like blocking would. If you want, I can abide by the strict letter of the policy, reblock you and then ask an uninvolved admin to look at it. I don't think you want that though. JoshuaZ 04:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

No, thanks for unblocking me. I'll take a look at the link. Infinite Improbability Drive 04:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Advice

You asked on my talk page for advice on dealing with your current situation. The advice I can offer is simple.

If you have used other accounts in the past, be open and honest about your other identities. (I'm going out on and assuming you have previous editing experience since as far as I can tell, we have never interacted before. If this is a mistaken assumption, please forgive me - it's not an accusation, just an assumption that you didn't pick my name out of a hat.)

If you have not used other accounts, just move on with life, but make sure you are civil and respectful of the views of others. Creationism is a highly polarized topic and you may find editing more enjoyable in a less-controversial area.

I hope that helps. Good luck. --BigDT 04:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Your request

Hello ImprobabilityDrive, thanks for your comments on my talkpage. I have been reviewing your contributions and you certainly seem to be having a rough time of it. That said, I can also see why there are questions about sockpupptery. Empirically speaking, when a new user displays familiarity with the project and edits controversial articles (particularly ones that are popular with known sockpuppeteers), there is a very good chance that they are a sockpuppet.

Nevertheless, there are also those that are falsely accused that just happen to fit the pattern, so I'm willing to take you at your word on this issue. Though if I was to adopt you, and you do have prior experience of editing under another account, I'd prefer if you told me in the spirit of openess (of course, it could be done by email if you would prefer not to reveal that publically).

Just so you know, the adoption procedure is entirely flexible and you (or I) may terminate the relationship at anytime, simply by letting the other know. You are also entirely welcome to seek other mentors at any time, either in addition to or instead of me. I try to keep and eye on my adoptees contributions and will offer advice unsolicited where I can. I'm open to questions about pretty much anything - simple or complex - and will try and reply as soon as I can. I'm also happy to try to mediate if you get into any scrapes.

When I'm convinced you are up to speed on WP (not that you can't carry on learning, of course), I will let you know and offer to "graduate" you. However, does not mean we have to terminate our relationship, as you will be welcome to remain an adoptee for as long as you wish, until you feel ready to graduate. Even then, I will always be available to offer advice as a colleague. If you are happy with this arrangement, then let me know and I can "do the paperwork". If after reading this you decide you don't wish to be formally adopted, thats cool also - I'm still available to offer advice on an ad hoc basis. Let me know. Rockpocket 05:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, great. Good to have you on board. I not quite sure where to start though. I guess the more important question is what would you like me to help you with. I also note there is a RfC on you recently opened. Are you aware of what the purpose of this is and are you planning to comment on it? Rockpocket 06:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

First thing is to watch me contribute to less controversial articles, and if my good faith is questioned, to let me know how to approach it. Thanks. Infinite Improbability Drive 06:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. I'll try and keep an eye on things, but if you find yourself in a delicate situation, feel free to draw my attention to it. Rockpocket 06:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did - and have replied. Rockpocket 07:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

There isn't a limit to the evidence linked, though it tends to settle down after a while. I'd wait for that to happen before replying, to avoid confusion. Remember, though, that it isn't a court, but simply a forum for the community to offer its opinion. I like to view RfC as a mentoring process, where one can get feedback on how to improve oneself in the future, by learning the lessons of the past. If you can enter it with that mindset, the whole things becomes less combatorial and the outcome can be positive for everyone. Rockpocket 19:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. A user has also alleged yet again that I am a sockpuppet. I already responded to that. I have much information in my defense on that. What is your adivce there?

Your RfC has been opened

I have opened an RfC and will be adding more links as time permits. Please leave your comments: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/ImprobabilityDrive. Arbustoo 05:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The offer of mediation by Rockpocket looks to me like a more constructive way forward, and the RfC seems rather premature. Take advice from Rockpocket before rushing into this, .. dave souza, talk 05:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Others voiced that an RfC would be a good way to move forward. See this discussion for details. If I were the only editor to mention an RfC, I would agree it is premature. Yet, that is not the case. Arbustoo 05:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I think ID needs to mend some fences, state clearly under what names he previously edited, act civilly under all conditions, and build consensus for major edits. His comments on my talk page allow me to assume good faith as long as he abides by the conditions set forth by the offers of mentoring. I'm not going to add any comments to the RFC at this time. I'm wiping the slate clean. Orangemarlin 05:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

AGF is one thing. The POV pushing and personal attacks is another. Arbustoo 06:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't like it either. But I'm willing to give ID a chance to move forward with a clean slate. it seems like Dave souza is willing to give him a break too. It is the right thing to do. Orangemarlin 07:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, he's consistently ignored community input which is never a good idea, so it's best to let the community have its say about his methods. FeloniousMonk 17:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Please understand, I am concerned about what he has done, and his motives herein. I remain convinced that he's a sockpuppet of User:Gnixon, but the checkuser failed. He hasn't been disruptive since all of this crap hit the fan. I guess I'm willing to give one more chance to be a member of the community. But certainly, if the community thinks he should be tossed on his ear, I'm with it. I am really trying to be nice to this guy, but I know what he's done--I am hoping he has learned his lesson. Orangemarlin 18:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

An RfC isn't a banning, and can't result in a banning. A banning/"tossing one out on their ear" is for ArbCom, and is another process. An RfC allows the community to comment on the user's behavior. That's all it is. If you don't want to voice your opinion on the RfC fine. However, the RfC lets everyone have a formal say in this user's actions. Arbustoo 18:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

<reduce indent> I withdraw all of my positive comments. This user is a sockpuppet of the following banned individuals: user:Kdbuffalo and user:VacuousPoet, both of whom have been permanently banned by Misplaced Pages administrators. I will post my case in a little bit, and attach the link herein. Orangemarlin 18:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Please note the following: Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/VacuousPoet (3rd). I have also tagged the user page with the charge. This editor may reply to the charges at the Sockpuppet page. Orangemarlin 19:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)