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Lyme Disease page controvery additions

you are taking no opportunity to discuss your additions on the talk page. please do this, or they will just be removed each time you try to re-add them with no explanation. the controversy page is ideal for this topic and you can link the history blurb to that page as well. currently, the lyme page is very big, and isn't a great spot for trying to slip in opinionated rants that likely more serve to discredit lyme sufferers than defend them. you can mention what you believe from a neutral perspective, currently it looks more like propaganda than anything else. you must also give sources on wikipedia if you do not want your stuff deleted. 206.248.168.241 21:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Just wondering why you feel the need to be anonymous-- which, together with inflammatory words like "rant..." does make you seem a bit like a troll-- and certainly NOT neutral......Perhaps one should practice what one preaches when it comes to both propaganda and neutrality?

I posted my reasons for the additions to the history section on the talk page. The information on Lyme, Plum Island and biowarfare has been published now by reputable sources for several years, and it is time that people interested in Lyme should be able to find this information by typing "Lyme Disease" on the Misplaced Pages search engine. When Lyme Disease is typed in to the search engine now, neither the ILADS guidelines, nor the bioweapons issues are readily available-- which is a form of censorship.

I know that antibiotics have helped my chronic Lyme very much, although i am not cured. My doctor-- who is not a part of the bioweapons establishment, and treats hundreds of patients with chronic Lyme--- does not feel that antibiotic treatment is the least bit controversial. Sadly, however, most of the research money is going to bioweaponeers-- and they wish to suppress the extent of the epidemic for their own reasons, in additiona to controlling the flow of information about this illness.

Perhaps you are using the word "propaganda," because the page as currently drafted is "propaganda..." ---- it conspicuously omits the military history of Lyme and the curious relationship between Lyme researchers and the biowarfare industry-- and it also omits the 1976 finding that Borrelia is a parsitcial organism that invades the brain and often survives intensive treatment in the brain-- contrary to the currently accepted "propaganda" put forth on the page?

Anyway, thanks for your comment. I am not afraid to identify who I am-- and I wish you would not be afraid of identifying yourself-- because an anonymous IP is kind of creepy. Freyfaxi 21:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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Lyme Disease Military history

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Lyme Disease Military history, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Rustavo 06:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. I wanted to respond to your statements about me on Talk:Lyme disease military history. Misplaced Pages is a fundamentally anonymous forum, and I don't think a debate about personal qualifications is useful, since there is essentially no way of verifying them. I provided the information that I am a medical student on my user page more as a biographical/interest note than as a claim to special authority. It's really not appropriate for you to make assumptions about my views or motivations based on my level of professional training. I continue to feel that Lyme disease military history is an odd and unsatisfactory title for the content you have written and I will make further suggestions on that page. Let's try to stay focused on improving Misplaced Pages's content rather than engaging in personal attacks. -Rustavo 03:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Rustavo: My main intent here is to improve Misplaced Pages's content, and this is why the information in this page should be presented in the history section on the Main Lyme disease page, which is biased at present, since it is written primaily from the point of view of microbiologists, many of whom are on the bioweapons payroll --- with no input whatsoever from historians, lawyers, patients or ILADS.

I simply wanted to explain that the Lyme disease debate is not the sole property of microbiologists and medical students-- when a debate reflects only one perspective, as is the case in the history seection of the main Lyme disease page, it becomes unbalanced and slanted in favor of that particular group -- which is against Misplaced Pages guidelines.

Historians such as Michael Carroll and Justice department lawyers such as John Loftus provide a ***balanced ****perspective to Lyme disease history. Up till now, Lyme history has been described by microbiolgists -- many in the military and bioweapons research field--- who have no proof as to why the Lone Star suddenly appeared in Connecticut, and no scientific prof whatsoever as to the cause of this epidemic. All they present is a hypothesis about the spread, with no proof. I am simply presenting additional facts provided by reputable authors Michael Carroll and John Loftus. Both of these writers have stellar credentials. Mario Cuomo and Senator Weicker both gave Carroll's book an excellent review-- and neither of these men are conspiracy theorists or lowbrows.. I have also simply pointed out that there is a very close hisotrical relationship between individuals working on Lyme disease and the large budgetary allocations for bioweapons programs. This is public service information and it deserves to be in Misplaced Pages. Thanks, and good luck in your medical career.18:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I have nominated Lyme disease military history for deletion due to the concerns I have expressed on the talk page. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lyme disease military history. I understand that you have worked hard on this content, and I have tried to suggest ways in which some of it could be incorporated into an article consistent with Misplaced Pages's policies, but I do not feel it is appropriate in its current form. -Rustavo 04:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)