User talk:Susvolans - Misplaced Pages

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Template:Add Welcome to wikipedia Susvolans!

I saw that made a edit under your new name and that you didn't have a talk page so I created one for you! Your talk page is easy to use and is a great way for other people to talk to you. If a new message is on your talk page a banner should notify you the next time your refresh wikipedia. Misplaced Pages's rules can be tricky so if you have any questions I will be happy to answer them or redirect you to someone who can. Remember to always be bold with your additions and edits as it is the quickest and most efficient way for our user driven encyclopedia to grow!

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--Windfinder 12:54, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Note: Use the tilda key ~ to sign your name as I did above.

Is there any reason why you made my article on the Sook Ching Massacre so short?

"Whomever"

You seem to have gone through a few articles, removing the occurrences of the above accusitive case and replacing it with the nominative "whoever", wrongly - why?
James F. (talk) 16:48, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I find that very few people know how to use "whomever" correctly. Some of your changes are appropriate - they really should be "whoever." Others were perfectly correct as "whomever." Were you trying to eliminate "whomever" and "whom" altogether? I have some sympathy for this choice, but it shouldn't be imposed upon other peoples' writing. The most frequent source of confusion is when the pronoun seems to participate in two clauses. Ordinarily the pronoun's case is determined by its role in the subordinate clause: therefore "She talked to whomever she chose," but "She talked to whoever was there."
Reuben 07:11, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Dashes

Hi, Susvolans.

I notice that you're in the process of replacing hyphens with dashes in sundry articles.

The dash policy on Misplaced Pages is still under construction, whatever preliminary judgement might appear to prevail on the Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dashes) page.

The consensus is that — and – should appear in the rendered HTML. While a vocal minority of Wikipedians have lobbied for this policy to be extended to wikitext, the majority of Wikipedians continue to adopt spaced hyphens (sometimes double hyphens for mdash) in their edits either because that's the de facto web (and Misplaced Pages) standard, or because they eagerly anticipate the much-fabled update of MediaWiki that will allow hyphenators and dashers to live together in hair-braiding harmony by performing automatic conversions from the edit-friendly standard to the print-friendly stricture.

The print style guides that recommend ndash and mdash also recommend title case headings and "smart" quotes, neither of which are acceptable on Misplaced Pages.

Though the Dashes page has railroaded a wording that flouts the very nature (bottom-up not top-down) of Misplaced Pages, I hope I can persuade you to abide by this alternative suggestion from one of the many Dash-related Talk pages:

Evolving language and the decreased reliance on print world conventions have led to the hyphen becoming an acceptable replacement for other dashes. Where hyphens have been used in place of other dashes, you are discouraged from changing these, in the same way that changing spelling forms is discouraged. (See #Usage and spelling).

Tori Amos

Hi, Susvolans.

Didn't we discuss this already? The Manual of Style contradicts itself on the subject of dashes. It preaches both wikilove:

In the interests of Misplaced Pages:Wikilove and pending the planned update of the Wikimedia software that will automatically convert strings of hyphens into the appropriate correct en- and em dashes, editors are encouraged to be accepting of others' dash preferences and not to modify a chosen style arbitrarily, in the same way as they would refrain from arbitrarily changing "artefact" to "artifact" (or vice-versa).

and intolerance:

A single spaced hyphen - actually, there's no real reason to flout the rules of good typesetting in this way.

This is hardly surprising as there is no consensus (dashes or hyphens) on the talk page of that article as I've already indicated. The only consensus is that hyphens should appear in the wikitext and be rendered as dashes:

However, editors making such changes should be aware that when MediaWiki is set to automatically convert -- in the source to a real dash, all HTML entities such as – will be deprecated and changed back to hyphens in the wikitext.

The article has slowly crept from the de facto current and de jure future Misplaced Pages standard favoured by the contributors who took the trouble to add the material in the first place (spaced hyphens) to your pet preference for unspaced mdashes, which is not popular even among most dashers. This kind of drive-by editing, which adds no new material to the article, but succeeds admirably in discouraging contributors like myself who have, contradicts the Manual of Style's wikilove counsel as well as common courtesy. For more discussion on this latter point, please see here and here.

chocolateboy 19:31, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Elton John

Hi again.

If an editor makes a nontrivial contribution to an article, I'm compelled to respect their stylistic preferences . You've added nothing to Elton John. If you want to challenge me on my policy proclivities, why don't you (attempt to) remove the ambiguity from Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dashes), or remove the clarity from Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dates and numbers), rather than disrupting an article I've slaved over to make a point?

chocolateboy 09:51, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Which"

I see that you've removed the word "which" from many pages. Do you have a reason for disliking it? If you continue doing this, please (a) don't make grammar less correct to accommodate it (many people prefer not to end sentences with prepositions) and (b) use a more descriptive name for these changes than "rephrase for readability." I find the word "which" perfectly readable. Thanks for looking out for the state of English on the Misplaced Pages, though. -- Rbellin 14:33, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Attacks

Who started the attacks was that idiot. Not me. He have "esquisofrenia" (I dont know how to write this in English, Schizofrennya?!?!?). I'm not a doctor. We need another Brazilian and another Portuguese that understands about this (that dumb doesnt even know what's a dialect and what's a Standard) and name archaic a word that return almost 3 million google hits in Brazil. He even says that I'm responsible for all edits on the article, thing that where written by other Portuguese and Brazilians. He speaks Portuguese from Slum Quarters (favelas) thinks that is Brazilian Portuguese. That is similar to African-American English. -Pedro 16:23, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sorry If I seem rude, but I'm not, I havent read most of the stupidity that he wrote, and I wont read it. It is useless. I'll talk with other people. -Pedro 16:33, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Requests_for_comment/IZAK

Please see Complaint against IZAK and add your signature under Users certifying the basis for this dispute if you agree with the complaint. Thanks. HistoryBuffEr 08:23, 2004 Oct 5 (UTC)

I doubt if I am qualified to co-sponsor this. Have you tried Alberuni, Gadykozma, Jfdwolff, or Jayjg? Susvolans 13:16, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC).

Any user can certify the basis for dispute. The reason I asked you is because you were also unjustly smeared by IZAK. HistoryBuffEr 17:45, 2004 Oct 5 (UTC)

br clear

<br clear=all> (use <nowiki></nowiki> to make it show up) forces the text to line up with the picture, if you have several other pictures on an article, otherwise they will overlap and look messy. See the difference between and . This won't look the same in all browsers, but using clear=all ensures that layout. Dysprosia 12:16, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Use of quotation mark for glottal stops, etc.

I have reverted your policy revisions on this matter in the Misplaced Pages Manual of style. The matter is more complex than indicated. I moved your suggestion to the talk page at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Use_of_quotation_mark_for_glottal_stops.2C_etc. with my comments on the matter. The policy as stated affected far more than Hawaiian (and even for Hawaiian probably should have more consensus). I fully agree that something along the lines of your suggestion should replace the current rules. Jallan 15:33, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Tony Blair

Why did you change dashes to hyphens in the Tony Blair article? Susvolans 11:56, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

As far as I am aware the — is deprecated in Misplaced Pages and has been for some time. I will check the style manual for you. Sjc 12:21, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Actually a reading of the Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style_(dashes) is as convoluted as I remember earlier manifestations of it as being. My apologies, and if you want me to revert the to mdash format please let me know. Sjc 12:27, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"regime" is not that POV in english, check with a native speaker

"regime" is not that POV, some people think it is associated with a negative conclusion because it is most often used in association with non-democratic rulers, but if one referred to the the "Bush regime" or the "Clinton regime" in conversation it would not result in any significant offense. Please put all your gratuitious changes back.--Silverback 15:04, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

FYI: Temp injunction in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, VeryVerily

1) Gzornenplatz and VeryVerily are banned from editing any article having to do with German or Polish subjects whilst Arbitration is on-going. Sysops may use their discretion in determining what falls into these areas, and are hereby authorised to enact 24 hour blocks for violations of this.

2) Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, and VeryVerily are banned from reverting any article more than twice in one 24 hour period whilst Arbitration is on-going. Sysops are hereby authorised to enact 24 blocks for violations of this.

3) Shorne and VeryVerily are banned from editing any article having to do with the Cold War or communism whilst Arbitration is on-going. Sysops may use their discretion in determining what falls into these areas, and are hereby authorized to enact 24 hour blocks for violations of this.

--mav 21:07, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bat & Ball railway station

I really cannot understand why such an unimportant railway station (and there is another more important in Sevenoaks) should warrant having its own article. I have already included info about it under the town, including the full date.
Nor can I really see why the information regarding the whole of the SE Trains (SET) are included here , when there is a full article on SET already. I've copied it there, anyway.
And I cannot see why anyone uses Misplaced Pages to find train times as of this minute, like the other External link does!!!

All in all I think this article needs deleting altogether ... do you agree? Peter Shearan 14:20, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Deletion in List of interesting or unusual place names

Would you care to explain why you deleted the perfectly existent America, Cambridgeshire, England? -- Smjg 16:55, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Discussion continuing on Talk:List of interesting or unusual place names#America, Cambs.

The Humungous Image Tagging Project

Hi. You've helped with the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Misplaced Pages fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Misplaced Pages's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to ] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

Option 2

I agree to ] all my contributions to any ], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Stephen King (paedophile)

As a general rule a VfD vote needs to be at least a two thirds majority in favour of deletion for an article to be removed. In this case the votes were 9 to 7 in favour of deletion, a majority but not a consensus. - SimonP 18:04, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

User:Chocolateboy

Hi there, I saw your note on WP:VIP. Note that reverting more than 3 times is disallowed in this rule. Also, he explained his edits in his summaries, so there's nothing wrong with the edit. If there's further problems you can go to WP:RFC or WP:RFM or notify an admin at WP:AN. ] 12:19, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Main namespace cleanup

Heya, good to see you joining in on the main to user link cleanup fest. ! Also, my condolances on your not living in Surrey, it really is a wonderful place.

Oh, by the way, you can also use {{del}} instead of {{delete}}. And with any luck, soon: {{d}} (but not yet). --fvw * 15:33, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)

Question

Why did you remove my correction of a misquote in the summary of Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Everyking? I dislike being misquoted, moreso when I am misquoted as being vulgar when I said nothing of the sort, as was apparent with my insertion of the actual quote in brackets after the misquote itself (with a cite to the actual entry in question). So could you explain yourself? →Reene 05:34, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

Ahh, alright. Just a misunderstanding then. I just got back after a bit of an absence so I'm still adjusting to the problems abounding lately. That and the situation has me a bit sensitive. Not an excuse of course, but I hope you'll accept my apology. →Reene 23:47, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

"revert, please learn how to be selective if you have problems"

Look who is talking, you revived the old "regime" issue that the community had settled long ago, and you mixed it in with some html fixes, and your derogatory portrayal of the insurgents as "guerillas". Please learn to be selective if you want to really make a contribution.--Silverback 12:54, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

VfD of user subpage

Users are allowed to make comments in their user space and on talk pages, except personal attacks, that other users find highly offensive. If a user has been accusing you of something you believe you have not done, make a few good-faith attempts to discuss your objection (be prepared to admit fault if appropriate). If that doesn't work, use the Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution process. Gazpacho 23:24, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Vfd - Vaughn (Band)

Please justify vfd'ing Vaughn (Band). Did you actually do any research or just assume the article was vanity? Djbrianuk 01:37 GMT, 19 Jan 2005

superscripts

I noticed you've fixed some of the superscript issues (at least in some Japanese location stubs, e.g. Yoshida, Shizuoka) by using a superscript character rather than the html token "& s u p 2 ;" (many instances are missing the trailing ";"). I'm not entirely sure, but I think the html token is actually more platform neutral and should be preferred. I believe the superscript character likely displays as a single <= character on some (presumably older) Macs. In any event, if you know (for sure) different please let me know and if not can you in the future fix these by adding the trailing ";"? Thanks. -- Rick Block 14:11, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The edit window superscript characters are puzzling given Misplaced Pages:How_to_edit_a_page#Character_formatting and Meta:Help:Special characters#Unsafe characters. I'm actually using a relatively new Mac (OS X) and there isn't a problem, but I think OS 9 and earlier use Mac-Roman which I strongly suspect means a literal ² would display as ≤. -- Rick Block 18:45, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages truncating articles

You may have noticed the server problems with Misplaced Pages recently. One of the consequences is that sometimes an article will be truncated during an edit. This happened to your editing of Article One of the United States Constitution yesterday, which I have just fixed. Since I discovered this, I have taken to checking the diff after every edit I make. — PhilHibbs | talk 15:31, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Poland-stub

Hi Suslovans - I notice you've moved one or two geo-stub articles to {{Poland-stub}} (e.g., Autonomous Silesian Voivodship). I was actually considering making a separate {{Poland-geo-stub}}, since there are about 70 Polish location stubs in Category:Geography stubs. Grutness| 04:10, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hey. What have you got say about listing me on ViP? Everyking 08:02, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

North London Line

Good Evening. Looks like I had the same idea as you but on the other end of the line: West Ham station & Canning Town station. I like having the insert "National Rail Lines" you might want to copy that. All the best. Steve

List of metro systems

Yes I think that's the best thing, to remove the Oceanian systems. Keep some sort of a disclaimer, though, or they'll reappear in no time. - Randwicked 04:23, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That's about right. - Randwicked 23:26, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

...for your help with the latest Willy on Wheels episode. It certainly halved the workload! -- Francs2000 | Talk ] 16:10, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

R101

Why ist this redirect no candidate for speedy deletion? i want to move the article Airship R101 to this name, because there is a similar article about the R100. Hadhuey 17:14, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Advice you need

People pile onto MY talk page to tell me to space after punctuation marks...I don't agree and won't do it,but they seem to think it worth the effort.So in the similar spirit:NEVER USE A HTML COMMAND FOR A DASH WHEN THERE ARE PERFECTLY GOOD HYPHENS ON YOUR KEYBOARD!!--L.E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 20:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Commas and periods go inside the quotation marks in American English, and History of Russia is written in American English. I don't care if you have an ax to grind against me; I'm willing to go all the way back to arbitration to keep the grammar correct in that article. 172 21:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Spui

Hah, no, I hadn't seen that. Too bad there's no station name in the photo. By the way, my name comes from Single Point Urban Interchange, not the river/whatever in nl. --SPUI (talk) 09:12, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan or RoC?

Hi Susvolans - I've added a couple more external links to your list - including the BBC. I also stumbled across the Inaugural Speech of you-know-where's president, in which he uses the two terms Republic of China and Taiwan interchangably throughout - . Grutness| 00:22, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gdansk vote enforcement

Thanks for the heads up on that vote. I had seen the long list of options and decided I didn't care enough (or know enough) to vote on them, but I hadn't noticed that little enforcement clause. I have voted against. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:09, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan and Republic of China

Thanks very much for researching on sources that the two groups of islands are listed as part of Taiwan. All the 16 sources on the list uses "Taiwan" in the place of "Republic of China", as the way it is now known most of the world. None of the sources has addressed the issue on whether the two groups of islands are geographically related to the island of Taiwan, like Pescadores, Orchid Island and Green Island do, or politically part of a political entity called Taiwan Province.

I understand "Taiwan" is much better known in many parts of the world. It is, however, a consensus on Misplaced Pages after long debates to have placed the article about the government at Republic of China but not Taiwan. According to the naming conventions on China-related topics, Taiwan (the island or the province) should be mentioned as part of the ROC, but not as a country on its own. This way of treatment is an NPOV and accurate description of the status quo. I hope this helps understanding the issue. — Insta ntnood 17:36 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)

RfC

The sharing at RfC seems to be over. I have made a response there. Please take a look. I do hope that with everyone's effort Misplaced Pages will soon be the best encyclopedia ever. :-D — Insta ntnood 21:14 Mar 5 2005 (UTC)

Tally boxes poll

Hi there! You've stated that this poll is based on adversarial principles. I'm not sure what you're referring to, but for the sake of improving possible future polls, would you please explain it to me? Thanks. Yours, Radiant! 14:36, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome template

Many thanks! In fact I'd realised that I should have been using 'subst', so perhaps I'd have been safe, but at least now I know what was going wrong (though I'm still not sure why). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης)

My adminship

Thank you for voting for me for adminship. I appreciate the confidence you showed in me. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:44, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Developers not removing sysop capabilities

Over on the proposed arbcom changes you mentioned a developer removing administrator capabilities. That's not actually what happened. Hopefully this will clarify:

Adding and removing sysop capability used to be done via direct server access and those who did it used to be called developers.
Later, a flag with text value "developer" was added and those who did the adding and removing got that flag on their accounts and lost server access, ceasing to be developers in any meaning of that word.
Later still, the adding and removing capabilities were split and bureaucrats now get a flag with value "bureaucrat" while the value "developer" is used for stewards.
One bureaucrat didn't have the flag with value "developer" removed when the software was changed and retained the remove capability (but not the authorisation to use it to remove). During the dispute, that bureaucrat used the capability to remove the sysop flag from several sysops. This is probably the developer you're referring to, though it wasn't actually a developer. No direct server access was involved.
Once a developer (me) found out that the old flag was still present on a bureaucrat account, I double checked with a steward to confirm that the person wasn't a steward, then completed the software update, removing the flag with value "developer" which gave steward remove capability to that particular bureaucrat account. This was the only actual developer action in that incident and it was limited to doing what the original software change should have done. A developer rather than a steward did it because it was a software update issue and it was better for a developer to do that to make it clear that that is what it was.
I (and others) then told the bureaucrat that the capability wasn't supposed to be there. As the neatest way to undo it, I asked the bureaucrat to add back the sysop flags which had been removed. The bureaucrat promptly did so, returning things to the state they should have been in if the flag had been removed by the software update process.
Developers created the bureaucrat and steward flags so developers wouldn't normally need to be involved in this sort of thing. Since we know that, it's unlikely we'll act except to deal with software issues like that one or in a real emergency when there's no steward around. *In the future, the use of the flag with the confusing value "developer" for a steward is going to be changed, to the obvious "steward". Jamesday 16:48, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

maps

You have a strange view about what constitutes high quality. See talk:Panama Jooler 17:34, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Category:Leeds Railways

Hi Susvolans - you are the only one to have commented on my suggestion re this category; and I am unsure what the procedure is now. I find I cannot change it, so how does one go about it? Peter Shearan 13:43, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Template:Divbox

— Xiongtalk 14:00, 2005 Apr 4 (UTC)

Add

By the way, I've added {{add}} to the top of this page. This is a service for long Talk pages that helps to confine new comments and speed page load for editors. Please let me know if you find it helpful. — Xiong talk 14:02, 2005 Apr 4 (UTC)

Netoholic

Our buddy has rv {{divbox}} again. I do appreciate you showing your support; that counts for much more than anything else. Now, he's slapping {tfd}s on everything. I fear I've angered him. I don't know what we're going to do about him. I've reported him for vandalism, but of course the more threatened he feels, the more destructive he becomes. What has he to lose?

Please sign your comments on Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Netoholic 2/Evidence. Thank You! — Xiong talk 07:49, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:57, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Zürich to Zurich

Zürich has been nominated on Misplaced Pages:Requested moves for a page move to Zurich. Perhapse you might like to express your opinion about this proposed move on talk:Zürich. Philip Baird Shearer 09:47, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Convention

Will you consider a Charter Convention? If so, email me. — Xiong 熊 talk 15:14, 2005 Apr 13 (UTC)

List of urban heavy rail systems

It was part of the merging of various articles into urban heavy rail. It's not important; you can move it back if you feel it's a good idea. I figured it's best to be consistent across article titles; the choice of urban heavy rail was to provide a neutral term and prevent another split like the recent one that created subway as a US version of metro. --SPUI (talk) 12:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Place redirects

What's with all the eccentric mass moving of place names? Brookie:A glow in the dark 16:20, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)