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By posting on this page you accept the JzG Terms of Service. I endeavour to satisfy good-faith requests to the best of my ability, but if you act like a dick, I will call you a dick. If you act like a troll, I will probably ignore you and may tell you to fuck off. If you want something from me, your best bet is not to demand it on pain of shopping me to ArbCom, because that way is pretty much guaranteed to piss me off to the extent that I will do whatever I can to thwart your plans. This page may contain trolling. Some of it might even be from me, but never assume trolling where a misplaced sense of humour might explain things. I can be provoked, it's not even terribly difficult. You may find, if you provoke me enough, that I will do something I later regret. Only remember, you may regret it more. I am a middle-aged surly bastard who spends his working day wrestling spammers and beating Windows with a stick, but I am capable of seeing good in the most improbable people if they don't go out of their way to make me do otherwise. Guy (Help!) 22:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This user posts using a British sense of humour and does not repress those instantaneous motions of merriment.

Sunday is the anniversary of my sister's death. I will be available only intermittently over the next four days as I am taking my parents to inter the ashes, a journey of some hundreds of miles. Guy (Help!) 20:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Very sorry to hear that (and worse for your parents of course). Best wishes (I have parents and we 3 kids are alive, thriving and close), SqueakBox 20:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Best wishes to you and your family.--MONGO 20:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

From me as well. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hang in there, Guy. --badlydrawnjeff talk 21:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Best wishes Guy.. may you be given peace of mind during this troubled time. SirFozzie 21:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep strong - all the best, Martinp23 21:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

My best wishes. Wikidan829 21:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thinking of you at this time. I hope the journey will not be too hard on your parents, and you will find solace together. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Just keep remembering. Georgewilliamherbert 22:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm so sorry about your sister. --A. B. 18:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I know you're out and about...

...but the Qiun Zhijun situation is at ArbCom. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

User:DenmarkEuroB11

You recently blocked this user as a sock. If you know any of the original accounts, I would appreciate if you could comment at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Shabzar. Thanks. The Evil Spartan 15:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Byron Calvert

I recently created an article on Byron Calvert, an American Neo Nazi leader using sources from my research. Problem is Calvert himself has become wise to it and disputes the accuracy of my sources. His followers have also taken it upon themselves to blank the article. Advice please!

Dianetics

I note that you replaced Dianetics in the section of the pseudoscience list article reserved for topics that have specifically been labeled pseudoscience by mainstream scientific bodies even though the sources clearly do not meet this criterion. Since you are also clearly aware of this rule and simply yet chose to ignore it, I can only assume that you are intent on disruption. Please desist.Davkal 21:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

• I note that you have remove Dianetics from the list of pseudosciences. Please desist. Guy (Help!) 07:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Rouge Admin

I am writing to you to apologise for an insult placed on the talk page of the Rouge Admin article; my comments were the result of inebriation and fatigue, as well as my profound conviction that I was actually asleep at the time. Please accept my apologies for my rather hasty and unkind comments. I will endeavour to cease editing under the influence (EUI) forthwith. Thank you for understanding, all the best, Whiskey in the Jar 22:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Incivility

Is it really necessary to make a statement on that arbitration request if is just going to be utterly incivil and add nothing to the discussion. You, as an admin should know better - especially in an arbitration request. Had it been on talk pages I would have let it slide, but that is ridiculous. Viridae 04:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yes. It is a complete waste of everybody's time. Plus it does add something to the debate: it adds my opinion that Jeff is beating a dead horse. Guy (Help!) 07:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

QZ DRV Closure

Guy, please undo the speedy close of this discussion. The primary problem here is speedy closes of discussions prior to the formation of consensus. I specifically point you to Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Daniel Brandt deletion wheel war#Early closure of discussions based on WP:SNOW is harmful. GRBerry 21:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• I disagree. I believe the primary problem is Jeff. I fully support taking this to RFC, what I do not want to see is yet another rehash of the same crap. We need to wait at least a month before even thinking about running this through any kind of deletion or review process again. There is no problem with the original deletion, per policy, but there is a problem with Jeff on a crusade. Take it to a slower and more wide-ranging process, and let people explore the issues in a nuanced way, and get it off DRV because that is only ever going to be a pitched battle, which will not help in any measurable way, whoever wins. Guy (Help!) 22:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll disagree that Jeff is the problem. I had to take a break from Misplaced Pages over the weekend to avoid participating in the wheel war myself. I think the deletions, and especially the speedy closes of the DRVs, are abusive actions by administrators as administrators. GRBerry 22:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
• If i'm the problem, feel free to pile on at the RfC i just opened. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

School of Accounting and Management

Colinlezama (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has a history of making unproductive edits is curently removing an unaccredited school from the wikilist. The user was warned on the article talk and his/her talk page. I have repeatedly asked for a source, but the reply was "will continually remove their names from the list." Please watch this user. If I remember correctly this user three articles about diploma mills that got deleted such as Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/School of Accounting and Management. Arbustoo 03:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Euphoria Volume 1

I noticed you deleted Both Euphoria Volume 1 and PF project. I can't see what the article looked like but for every other volume of Euphoria (Euphoria (compilations)) the pages are fine. Maybe the article sucked, but just so you know Euphoria volume 1 was hella popular, and its notability doesn't really need to be asserted other than "was the first in the series of Euphoria (compilations)". I don't really know what to say here, because don't know why exactly you deleted the articles, but there should definitely be articles under those names. If they fitted the format of the other volumes in the series and you came across them and deemed them not notable, you were wrong. I'm confused, help. Howboutpete 14:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Badlychosenexpletives

Please, no more telling people to "fuck right off" in the current discussion. It's only serving to inflame things further. I predict that this will be sent to arbitration again, and that the arbitration committee will, if it accepts it, do so on the grounds of editor conduct, most likely of several of the involved parties. Please ensure that your conduct is exemplary, so that you avoid becoming deeply embroiled in that. That wouldn't be good, in my view. Uncle G 19:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

• It's British usage, different from US usage. Seriously. It means, more or less, that I am absolutely outraged that he would make such a suggestion, nothing more. Guy (Help!) 20:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • It means a lot of things, and that's part of the problem. Simply saying the far less ambiguous "I'm outraged at that." instead in the current discussions is a better course, because it will forestall the diversions from the main issues that you know will otherwise occur further down the road if this comes to the arbitration committee. Save yourself from some future grief. Uncle G 23:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Your user page claim

I see you are blaming your bad typing on a personal injury. Wehre does that leave the rest of us? SqueakBox 21:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

• Heh! Thanks for the smile tha brought :-) Guy (Help!) 21:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Xyience

Hey, I noticed that the Xyience article has been deleted and protected. Did it not go to an AFD discussion? If it didn't, maybe it should have as it is a reasonably notable brand. Chicken Wing 05:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Harassment???

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Pilotguy&oldid=132826934

"I would like to bring to your attention the following pages: Shane Ruttle Martinez, Marxist Candidate Page, Paul Fromm, and Paul Fromm (neo-Nazi). The same users are at each page putting forth the same unsourced information that is very POV. They also edit out any sourced negative information. The users I speak of are user:Frank Pais, user:AnnieHall, user:Black as pitch, user:Paul Fromm (blocked, I believe), and the new account user:CmrdMariategui. I do not have enough information to go to the sock puppet page to warrant an investigation, and I only came onto the pages based on the BLP claims. It seems that they have a strange understanding of BLP and POV that only positive information (especially unsourced positive information) is the only thing allowed on a page, and that sources with vague connection to the line they claim to be references for are allowed to "prove" notability of the figure mentioned. It is very strange and seems to be a great problem. For information connecting the people as being sockpuppets or possibly a group that uses numbers to avoid the Three R Rule, see the histories of the pages I cited above or my user page to see where a newly created name said I was "wrong" about a page and reverted where I removed blatantly wrong sources that didn't actually match the lines which they were included on. SanchiTachi 01:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)"

I really don't know what to do here. I really don't want to be a part of this debate. I voted to endorse removal of certain claims in the Shane Ruttle Martinez article and now SanchiTachi appears to be on some sort of vendetta; just won't seem to let it go. She/he is now accusing me of potentially being a sockpuppet.

I might not be the best editor on wikipedia, but I don't think I deserve this abuse merely because of a decision I made concerning the relevence of information. Basically I'm looking for advice. I really don't want to have anything to do with SanchiTachi but I don't want her/him to continue making baseless accusations against me. God, seems so much like high school it's ridiculous. AnnieHall 07:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Little Fatty

I note from the deletion logs that you deleted the above article. I'd like to see the above article undeleted or at least a version moved into user space please. Catchpole 14:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• Once the dust has settled that may well be possible, but right now it's probably not a good idea. Guy (Help!) 15:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure what you mean. Catchpole 15:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• Right now there is an RfC and an ArbCom case pending, and no obvious forum for discussing this subject in isolation from the history of the problem article. I am trying to think of how that might be accomplished, but right now I can't think of a way. I am asking some arbs and other old-timers what they think. Guy (Help!) 15:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• The Little Fatty article you deleted had been moved from a userspace draft. I'm thinking we should just put it back there. I do think this deletion may need to be argued separately: my understanding was that those wanting deletion had agreed the meme was notable but the kid was not, and this article seems like an attempt to address that. But yeah, let's not do that NOW while feelings are so raw. What do you think? Mangojuice 15:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yup, that is pretty much how I see it too. I'll move it back to userspace in a minute. It's still at User:DeLarge/Little Fatty. Guy (Help!) 15:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)