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Show Me Love

I'm top poster! I'm top poster! (And I'm watching the film whose title is translated into English as "Show Me Love." That's not its title in Swedish.) Geogre 01:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

O noes, I've been doing it wrong! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, well, the template is greater than the sum of the parts. It is thus with tea, where reading the instructions takes longer than the brewing, steeping, and drinking, and it is so with William Wall (theologian) who has a growth on him now -- a sort of counter-article running down the side of the screen. Geogre 04:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Nobody clicked and saw how William Wall's template runs on twice as long as his article and that his template is, essentially, its own little article about how to be a Baptist? Geogre 00:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed. Bishonen | talk 00:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

Thanks. What was interesting to me was what that template had in it. It was a checklist of crucial doctrines for Baptists. That seemed to be a sort of polemic, or a guide. It's odd information for a template. Then, of course, it was also double the vertical length of the article, but we're all used to that by now. Geogre 02:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Nooo!

It's too empty in here!
*does a little dance*
There. That was nice and encyclopedic, right?
(What??? Bishzilla would find it amusing! Well, okay, so no she wouldn't. But then she'd stomp on me, and she'd find that amusing!) Bladestorm 04:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

/Bishzilla smile tolerantly at little Bladestorm. Teeth gleam in sunset rays. Little user petrified. Never seen scarier smile. bishzilla _ROARR!! 01:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

WP:STALK ???

• DIFF - This is most highly inappropriate behaviour by Lsi john (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log · rfcu). I made one mistake with regards to one citation amongst the hundreds I have added to articles. This amounts to WP:STALK, as well as WP:NPA. I have come to you for help, as opposed to WP:ANI, per your prior suggestion to all of us. Thank you for your time. Yours, Smee 23:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Thank you for your response. However your comments served only to point the user in a direction for more appropriate actions, which is good, but did not serve to warn the user about his inapproprate behaviour, which is difficult to deal with at times, to say the least. Smee 00:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for taking it here. I'm no fan of invoking WP:STALK, except in cases where somebody follows another editor around in order to make nuisance edits to everything they do. That's hardly the case here. But I agree that the talkpage of Pathwork was an irrelevant place for Lsi John to bring up the PSI thing (in extenuation, the matter seems to have got to him in a big way). As you've already seen I've written to him there, and, in fact, to you too. No, I don't agree that it's in my brief to talk to him as if to a child, I think my note was, by implication, quite sufficiently reproachful. I'm not in the business of smacking editors. Bishonen | talk 00:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC).

Okay, your points are valid, sounds good. Thank you for dealing wth this all in such a polite manner. And glad to know I did the right thing by coming to you first. Yours, Smee 00:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC).

• DIFF - He keeps bringing up an honest mistake that I made with (1) citation that I apologized for, and I have added hundreds of helpful reputable sourced citations to this project in a good faith effort to expand and increase the quality of other articles on the project. His continued harassment of me with this issue is inappropriate and rude. Can you do something about this? I am reaching out to you instead of reporting this, as you have asked us all to do. Thank you again so much for your time, and polite language and patience in this matter. Yours, Smee 12:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
  • DIFF 2, This is getting silly and ridiculous. Again, I have added lots and lots of information from reputable cited sources to the project, and helped to expand quality articles. This behaviour by this user is inappropriate. Thanks for your time. Smee 12:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

• Smee, in the Pathwork article, I felt the details were important as they were directly related to a very similar situation in the past. You had asked that the article not be deleted and ultimately promised to bring it back with sufficient reliable sourcing. You were making the same claims for Pathworks that you had for PSI World.

In the LGAT template discussion I did not bring up any specifics. You stated that I had failed to provide 'reliable sourcing' for my views in a discussion (which doesn't require reliable sources). You brought up 'citable sources' in an inappropriate context and I merely suggested that someone else might want to handle that discussion with me. You then chose to include specifics. I did not feel that specifics were important. However, once you brought them up, and misrepresented the situation, it was important to correct it, for the record. Running to Bishonen every time and crying stalking, is a bit silly, IMO.

You inappropriately roast companies with your sourced 'allegations', 'speculation', and 'innuendo', and you base entire articles around these 'dismissed' lawsuits and 'suspicions'. You publish POV in the name of 'reputable sourcing', yet you don't make any effort to provide the other POV and thus to obtain NPOV articles.

I find it perplexing that you have no problem applying tar and feathers to companies, yet you cry harassment when anything is mentioned at all which remotely referrs to the facts of your prior inappropriate misconduct.

This is clearly a sensitive issue for you and I will make every attempt to avoid the subject whenever possible and not bring it up unless it is appropriate to do so. Lsi john 12:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• I have removed the LGAT template from my watchlist and am no longer editing or contributing to it. I have also removed almost every other LGAT article from my watch list. It is not a productive use of my time to attempt to edit articles when Smee continues to complain and then distract the discussion and make it about Smee and how Smee is being mistreated.

In the mediation for Landmark Education here, Smee's first 9 posts were all off-topic and about NPA and Smee refused diff to post within a designated user comment-area (as other editors were doing). Smee's 10th post clearly stated that Smee was no longer involved in the article. And, Smee has now 'joined' the mediation but has yet to provide one single comment which addresses the article or the items being debated.

Someone commented on the 3O discussion page that perhaps Smee needs to take a 2-3 month break from 3O diff. I suggest that Smee might consider taking that suggestion on a broader scale. When every single comment (by one editor) in a mediation is related to NPA or is talking about other editors' actions, it suggests to me that the editor may be burned out and need a break. Lsi john 13:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

John? You realize I get the New Messages banner every time you post HINT HINT? Bishonen | talk 13:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

m Lsi john 13:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• DIFF 3. My apologies for posting to you again, Bishonen (talk · contribs), but this last comment by User:Lsi john, editing within another user's comments, and then ending the discussion, is more along the same theme of inappropriate talk page behaviour. Thank you again for your time. Smee 17:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Well, unless there's something behind it that I'm not aware of, I agree that those {{fact}} templates in your text were pretty unconstructive. But note that he says he's taking it off his watchlist, so... Try to relax, look away, go Zen, Smee. It's something that's worth doing on Misplaced Pages for your own benefit, rather than for the other person. Bishonen | talk 18:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
    • Sounds like very good advice. Thank you. Smee 19:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

Sumple

Sumple had some personal attacks against me on his userpage. How dickish can he get?] ]] most damningly ] ] ] ]

Funny thing is these insane edits just proved by point that there is certain alliance between Jiang, blueshirt, Ideogram, LionheartX, and Sumple. An anonymous IP made some accusations on Sumple’s userpage and talkpage, which are obvious personal attacks but nevertheless with some merits. ] ] ] (I know these edits are funny but why would anyone bother to accuse him if he didn’t show a pro-China, pro-communism bias? Can you talk to him into removing this redirect? User:Sumple#Quote_of_the_moment which redirected "crazy people" to my userpage. Btw, good to know that you're still around, I'm not coming back though.--Certified.Gangsta 02:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Hope you change your mind, CG. Only the piped link was still on the userpage, that I could see. I've asked him to remove it. Bishonen | talk 10:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC).

If you want, I'll unprotect and reprotect, so it's my action he has to complain about. ⇒ SWATJester 11:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure you have the requsite number of braincells, Swat..? ;-) But, no, thanks, I don't at this time feel like pandering to the notion that there was something objectionable about my action. Thanks anyway. Bishonen | talk 11:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC).

That sockpuppet guy

User:Jsimlo, who was clearly using the sockpuppet User:Give it back a while ago, is now merrily having a conversation with the brand new anon IP account User:201.36.233.11 to try to establish "consensus" on Talk:Nonogram. Wheeee.... DreamGuy 06:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like you have enough reason for suspicion to put in a CheckUser request for all three. I think you should. You already know the contexts, and it seems unnecessary doubling of effort for me to get my head round it first. Best, Bishonen | talk 10:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC).

Shortage of images

You cleaned too much. I will fix for you. KillerChihuahua 11:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that reminds me - my daughther reports she had wonderful meal in Paris, didn't eat a decent meal in all of Italy, and had her first good meal since Paris in Prague. Which rather goes against conventional wisdom, but its always luck of the draw when you're traveling, isn't it? KillerChihuahua 02:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

A snail got mugged by a couple of turtles. "What happened," the policeman asked. "I don't know," the snail replied, "it all happened so fast!" Geogre 13:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I know how he feels.... I'm getting old and creaky myself. *grin* KillerChihuahua 02:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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More available upon request. ;) Lsi john 01:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very very much for your message

You have spared me the agony of dealing further with her blatantly false and malicious accusations of disruption, bad faith, and edit warring.Ferrylodge 02:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

You're most welcome, I'm glad to have been spreading sunshine. Bishonen | talk 02:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

Now that I am unblocked and have taken some additional time beyond that 24-hour block period to consider this matter, I would like to follow a dispute resolution process. Misplaced Pages guidelines say: "When you are unblocked, you may then follow the dispute resolution process if you believe that you were treated unfairly."

One dispute resolution option is a "third opinion", but that does not seem appropriate here, because "The third-opinion process requires good faith on both sides of the dispute." My good faith in this matter has been reapetedly disputed, so I assume that a "third opinion" would not be appropriate here. Indeed, I was blocked by you immediately after saying, "I am glad to be done posting on this page," so it is clear that you dispute my good faith, and this is also evident from your remarks such as "leave KC the hell alone." Thus, a "third opinion" would not work here.

Another option, before I resort to arbitration, is mediation. However, mediation "cannot take place if all parties are not willing to take part." Therefore, I will assume you are not willing to take part, unless you provide some indication to the contrary.Ferrylodge 17:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

That's right, I'm not willing to take part in mediation with you. You don't want advice from me, I'm sure, but you can have it anyway: a request for arbitration isn't going to be accepted at this point. See how it says ""last resort"? Instead, the normal and accepted next step for you would be to file a request for comment, mentioned here. You can file an RFC about misuse of administrative tools (=my block button). Mind you, I think you'd be disappointed with the result, but don't take my word for it, ask someone else. Bishonen | talk 18:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC).

A nervous hello......

hi bish - as a user in good standing who has had some contact with me, i wonder if you'd mind having a look at the discussion on the talk page of the no personal attacks page - i'm feeling pretty bullied, and would value your advice (there, here, on my talk page, or anywhere!)

.....equally - the whole thing is a bit unhappy, so if you prefer to keep your wiki sky cloud free for the sake of sanity / serenity i'll understand if you don't want to engage.....

best wishes to you anyway, and take care! - Purples 04:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it might have all calmed down a little now, maybe i was overly sensitive to come to you - anyways, have a wonderful day.... Purples 04:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Purples, it's not the serenity (what? where?), it's that I should have already been asleep for some hours, I'm in a different timezone. Can't look at anything now. Tomorrow. Bishonen | talk 05:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

OK, I'm awake.., but I've been putting off reading all that stuff, sorry. It's the kind of subject I don't willingly get involved in—I just feel I have enough quarrels on my plate without that. But since you come to my page, I'll try to give you an answer, and sorry about the belatedness. I have to disagree with your removal of that section. That's because I think removing those famous links is current policy. I don't mean it's necessarily the consensus on the NPA talkpage that the section should be on the NPA page (I can't face reading through that talkpage), but that it's policy. Policy isn't words on a policy page, it's current practice, in particular admin practice. Those words on a page come after policy has already been established. And, yes, it is my impression, per ANI, that removing those links is what we currently do. While quarrelling about it, admittedly, and while linking a lot to that famous arbcom decision, which isn't really an appropriate authority (arbcom doesn't determine policy). But nevertheless that it's on the whole what we do. I'm sorry you're feeling bullied.

Reading... oh. I do see why you're feeling disparaged. Though I know exactly where SlimVirgin is coming from,, too. Darn. Seriously... I'm very sorry I've been so slow. I'm going to post a couple of sentences now. Bishonen | talk 00:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC).

Thanks so much for your kind words... i think it really helped to avoid my editing situation derailing (or derailing further!) - you're very kind to help out, and it's appreciated - have a great day... Purples 04:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, it's simply my opinion. Bishonen | talk 04:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC).

Speedy delete, please

re: David Dotter Just back from a family gathering and found this page attached to an article on my watchlist. I believe such blatant self promotion would qualify for a speedy delete. Thanks for your help. Best....... WBardwin 01:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

What prompt action! Thank you. WBardwin 01:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

And when are you going to get your own delete button, W? Bishonen | talk 01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC).

Vendetta?

Thanks very much for the heads-up; that'll teach me to offer my expertise, such as it is! Mackensen (talk) 10:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes yes, but how many medals (...?) have you got? Bishonen | talk 14:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC).

..and you must remember Bishonen those "arguments wouldn't stand a chance in a university" Giano 15:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I used to think the guy was just the subject of discussion under a different name, but I now believe that this account, the Louder, is actually performance art. It is a sort of attempt at the eiron as fool, and it is up to everyone else to laugh at this Andy Kaufman-styled bit of humor. Utgard Loki 17:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Vendetta - that's when you go to gaol for bankrupting your legal circles? :p