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Archive 2006

Important notice

If you came here to find out why I haven't answered yet, please take note of the following:

1) for personal reasons I will no longer post on Sundays between sun rise and sun set 2) for the same personal reasons I will keep myself as far as possible from controversial issues on Saturdays.

So, if you have a POV problem with me, do not expect an answer before Monday. I am sorry, but after being accused of being a Russian meat puppet of Ghirla, a communist Polish vandal and a vicious German nationalist (last two on the same day) I need some time at least for calm reflexion. Thanks for reading this rant and may the peace of Our Lord be with you. --Pan Gerwazy 11:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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Not a sockpuppet

I was reviewing my prior edits, and noticed that you had deleted my vote on Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_30 because you claimed I was a sockpuppet, yet you couldn't even have the decency to alert me on my Talk page or ask me who I am and why I made my vote. Where is it written that I must make edits to Misplaced Pages every day to not be a sockpuppet? At least have the decency to give people a chance to defend themselves. Sachmet 18:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Apologies - I just noticed it was 172 who deleted my comment. My point still stands. Sachmet 18:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I lent my support to striking out your vote because I thought your account did not have enough edits. It is not usual for people who have so few edits to add templates and even vote on them. I said you may possible be a second account of someone else - that is not the same as a sockpuppet, but of course you cannot vote twice. Note that this vote is six months old. --Pan Gerwazy 17:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your support on my RfA. It passed with 55/0/0. I'll try my best to be worthy of the trust the community has put in me. If there are any of my actions you have a problem with or a question about, please feel free to discuss this with me and if needed to revert me. If there is anything else I can help you with (backlogs, comments, ...), you can always contact me on my talk page. Fram 14:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Belated response

Sorry for the late reply, but I finally responded to your question at my talk. Cheers, --Irpen 19:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for this edit1, edit2.Vlad fedorov 08:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Batu Lintang camp

I've replied to your comments on the talk page so that others who are interested can more easily see them. Cheers Jasper33 17:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Pytalovo

All in a day's work :) I do, however, think, that the majority of the credit here belongs to the bot owner. Thanks for the update though—this sequence of events is quite entertaining!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Not knowing the languages of the articles this article is interwikilinked to, it is very hard for me to sort all this mess out. I am definitely not moving anything in Spanish Misplaced Pages :), so if you are reasonably sure about what the text there says you might want to go ahead and do it yourself.

As for the name of "Pytalovo", my 2002 toponymic dictionary says that it is "possibly derived from a personal name" ("вероятно, антропонимического происхождения"), but provides no further details, except that such derivatives are very common in Central Russia. The "mesto pytok" theory is not even mentioned, although your theory sounds quite plausible.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, once you can source it, it stops being original research :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

On the subject of Port Pirie

Greetings Pan Gerwazy Thankyou for your comments regarding Port Pirie. My early alterations to that page were a learning exercise and not vandalism as you call it. The only way to learn is by doing and learning from mistakes. My apologies for having agrieved you. I did attempt to insert the 2006 ABS figure after I thought I had successfully mastered the edit function but alas that attempt failed. Please be patient, I will become competent at this given time. I only discovered that I could edit Misplaced Pages a day or two prior to the subject of your complaint. Again my apologies. Cheers Mal Victmw 23:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. --Pan Gerwazy 10:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

And again deleted. Some people do everything they can to avoid looking like vandals, but in reality showing that they are. Something to remember in future, in any case. --Pan Gerwazy 10:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Христосъ Воскресе!

Ура! :) --Irpen

Estonia related AfDs etc.

I get your point. At first I thought he and this newly registered other guy were some of the anonymous new editors who had started barraging the the Bronze Soldier from IPs in Estonia. Seeing this second users skills in editing/manipulating Misplaced Pages, (see this Afd) and his clamed knowledge of Misplaced Pages conventions (example) I now see that he must have a very long edit history, possibly under an other user name. It is thus possible that he is a sock puppet of a banned user.

I think we could go for closing both AfD:s as sock puppet crap. -- Petri Krohn 15:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. As you may have noticed, I started working on Restoration of Estonian independence, which should give a background for the two AfDd articles. Seeing all this POV pushing, I doubt if I will ever dare to release it in article space. -- Petri Krohn 15:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

P.P.S. Please check that this hate speech is not reintroduced to the article. -- Petri Krohn 15:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Cool userbox!

Я у тебя позаимствовал кэгэбэшный userbox. I really like it )). Alaexis 16:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, what's going on? Who violates my copyright? This is actually my self-made userbox. You have to receive KGB troll rank and pass KGB internet troll crash-course exams in order to have it on your page. По стойке смирно! Равняйсь! Vlad fedorov 13:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Guys, as long as Biophys changed the article name to Internet brigades I suggest to link the "Internet troll squad" link to Internet brigades article. Vlad fedorov 13:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

If you mean that the link should continue to be called "Internet troll squads" but go to Biophys's article, that does seem like a normal thing to do now. Better tell Petri Krohn as well. --Pan Gerwazy 14:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Miskin

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RfA

Yes, I had noticed PaxEquilibrium's adminship before, and I was inclined to support it, since we really need cool, level-headed admins who know a thing or two about the Eastern European region; PE seems to fit the bill. I was however worried about the hijackings of his previous accounts. Apparently, someone is able to "steal" his passwords, and I didn't see a guarantee that it won't happen again. I didn't want to supply others with more ammo to put him down, so I stayed out of the discussion. But he has taken some precautions, and I hope they are sufficient, so I'll give him some much needed moral support.

BTW, my RfA really showed how petty some people can be. Did you know Gmaxwell blocked me indef on Commons? Just when I had regained some faith that things were going in the right direction. It shows that it really isn't the rules, but the people who enforce the rules that makes a difference. I guess nothing will change with people like him at the rudder. Errabee 19:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Russians in Ukraine

I need your help on this article, can you spare some attention, regards. --Kuban Cossack 12:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline

After your comment on my talk page I am even more confused. I have created several articles about different oil and gas pipelines and definitely not because to put any certain line. This article never consists something like "bypassing Russia is the only answer for the future of energy in Europe". Yes, it said "Since January 2006, the Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline project has been reactivated, probably also because of Russian gas disputes with some of its neighbours.", but the gas disputes were mentioned just to give one possible explanation why discussions about the pipeline restarted. However, as a speculation (although sourced), which is not the most important part of this articles, which is the pipeline, not Rusiian energy relations, I removed the part mentioning disputes.

Concerning looking from one or another side, exactly which information from which side is missing? I rather prefer that kind of articles to consist mainly technical information. Of course, in some cases you need also political background, but no more than necessary. And I use sources, which write about the pipeline, and you can't use "other side" sources if they don't.

OSCE conference. Well, when I started this article I wasn't very experienced editor. I used lot of material, but instead of making references, I made the external links section and included only links focusing on the pipeline. Right now I am not able to find the exact source, so I replaced it with other one and changed the text accordingly (which is more correct now, I think). And yes, In September 2006 I didn't edited the text very carefully.

As I already sayd, Haig proposed INLAND pipeline through IRAN. This is the Korpezhe-Kurt Kui Pipeline, built in 1997. Through Iran, it's connected with Turkish gas grid.

The Burgas-Alexandroupoli pipeline is the OIL pipeline, not a GAS pipeline. So, Burgas-Alexandroupoli pipeline is not alternative to the Trans-Caspian Gas pipeline.

Different dates or deadline are quit natural. In 1999, the agreement with private companies was already signed, and everybody expected the pipeline to become operational in 2002. As it was mentioned, the project was postponed in 2000 and discussions restarted only in 2006. Even no new intergovernmental agreement is signed and certainly there is no contracts with the private companies, so it's natural that the expectations have changed.

Concerning your proposals include political situation in Caucasus or Russian energy deliveries to Asia, they are more wider than the subject of this article. Maybe to start Geopolitics of Caspian energy resources? There is also Energy policy of Russia.

As our discussion is about how to improve the article, I propose to copy our relevant comments to the talk page of the Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline.Beagel 19:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, fine. Thanks. Beagel 16:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Pipelines again

I wept reading this. Poor Lithuanians! They seem to be so frustrated. --Ghirla 08:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

"They are trying to divide us." OOPS - the wrong phrase to use. Putting oneself in the same group of countries who pinned the blame for both the Belarusian oil and the Ukrainian gas problem on Putin, is not a good idea. But perhaps after this they were prompted to do so by someone in the EC? All this for one factory in "new Europe"? As if most of the EC cares about such things at a moment when whole factories are switched to "new Europe"? Yesterday only, 200 workers arriving at their place of work in Buizingen-Belgium (fibre cable company Nexans) found an empty hall: all the machines, including computers, had been dismounted and transported to Slovakia during the long Ascension weekend. But they want solidarity from Western Europe. --Pan Gerwazy 09:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The divide between "old" and "new" Europe is bound to widen, as long as some member countries are still willing to develop their own policy, while others are just yes-men to Washington. The current constitution of the EU is based on liberum veto, a self-defeating principle that makes decision-making on vital issues next to impossible. Both Russia and the US may benefit from the weakening of the EU. We all know where the veto-driven Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ended. --Ghirla 09:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Pan Gerwazy. I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. It was closed at surprising 75/0/0, so I'm an admin now. MaxSem 22:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Republic of Estonia (1990-1991)

It has become apparent, that the delete votes represented very small demographics, all are information technology graduates from the University of Tartu. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Digwuren. -- Petri Krohn 21:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)