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Hello Johnathan Swift! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Tyrenius 04:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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Óglaigh na hÉireann

Hi Johnathan. I agree that it would be nicer to have something shorter than Óglaigh na hÉireann (Continuity IRA splinter group) as the article title. Care must be taken though not to opt for a short name at the expense of clarity; Óglaigh na hÉireann (paramilitary) would have the same problem of not explaining to the reader the specific group in question. How about Óglaigh na hÉireann (2006-), or something along those lines? --Kwekubo 01:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Its a tough one, technically there are still at least five OnahE in existance.--Vintagekits 01:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
That's a good point. My reasoning is that this group not only uses ONH as their only name for themselves (whereas the others all simply use ONH as another, more ceremonial name), but the Independent Monitoring Commission refers to them as ONH. I think that Kwekubo and I have agreed that Óglaigh na hÉireann (2006) would be a good name, but I'm waiting for him to give me a real response. What do you think, Vintagekits? Erin Go Bragh 02:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Citations

It's easy enough to do refs properly. There are appropriate templates on Misplaced Pages:Citation templates. See also WP:CITE. You use those in the text. Actually in the text, if you just put:

<ref>Description of the reference here</ref>

it will then show up automatically under references lower down.

At the bottom of the page, above external links section you put:

==Notes and references==
<references/>

Tyrenius 04:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Next tip

The first time you have a ref in an article, you name it:

<ref name=fred>Description of the reference here</ref>

Any other time you use the ref subsequently, you put:

<ref name=fred/>

If you forget the /, then it blanks the rest of the article!

Good refs are the only way to create a credible article.

Tyrenius 06:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject IRA

Hi all, I'm rather new to the Wiki (just joined up a few days ago), but the whole WikiProject concept seems like an effective tool for gathering a group of people together to work on a specific subject. I'm primarily interested in contributing to areas related to Irish nationalism, and the Irish Republican Army, and I've noticed a few of you have quite a lot of involvement in the same area. So, I wonder if anyone would be interested in forming a WikiProject focusing on Irish Nationalism? Wikipeda:WikiProject Irish Republican Army seems like a good title to me! WP:WPIRA would be a great shortcut! I'm posting this up on many different pages, so I would especially appreciate it if, if you're interested, you would join me at User talk:Johnathan Swift#WikiProject IRA. Erin Go Bragh 06:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. I'll contribute if it is set up. Jdorney 10:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be interested in this myself. I find the IRAs and their splinters a very interesting bit of history, and it would give us a central place to regulate and discuss opposing vies on the articles. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 14:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright. I've done it. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Irish Republican Army Erin Go Bragh 09:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there! I'd love to collaborate with some of you on writing articles pertaining to Irish nationalism. However, to avoid some potential conflict down the road, might I humbly suggest changing the name of the WikiProject to WikiProject Irish Nationalism, WikiProject Irish Republicanism, or a similar derivitave? The IRA, while an important and necessary part of Irish nationalism, does not encapsulate the entire ideal, and might appear contentious, especially given the recent steps towards peace. A less contentious name might attract more users to participate, as well! Just a thought. Sláinte! gaillimh 22:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Gaillimh! My desire is to much more directly work on articles which are related closely to the IRA, and having the IRA(s) being the central focus of the WikiProject. The lines I added to the page about including broader topics such as Irish Nationalism and Irish Republicanism were much more of an afterthought. I'd love to see people working on other aspects of Irish Nationalism, but I'd really like to use this WikiProject to focus on the IRA. If the project does widen a bit, I don't quite see why the name would have to change. I wouldn't say no outright, but I really feel like WP:IRA is an excellent title! It's short, catchy, easy to remember, and it's got such a nice shortcut! Erin Go Bragh 02:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying a bit! I don't plan on joining the project as an active participant, but I'm sure our paths will cross on the 'pedia, as we share some similar interests. Good luck and have fun with your project! Sláinte gaillimh 04:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm always a fan of impromptu collaboration, and unorganized, organic connection when it happens. Sláinte a fhein (I'm afraid what Gaelic I have is Scots, and that which is there is sorely lacking; I know it's not a coherent sentence, but I hope my message gets across). : ) Erin Go Bragh 08:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Images in signatures

Hello. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. You just got here a few days ago, and you're doing great so far. I noticed, however, that you use an image in your signature. The guideline WP:SIG#Images says that images should not be used in signatures and gives a few reasons why. Please change your signature to meet that guideline. Also, while not an absolute requirement, it is common practice for a signature to resemble to some degree the username it represents. Your username is "Johnathan Swift", but your signature reads something completely different, "Erin Go Bragh". If you would rather be known by that name, you might consider visiting Misplaced Pages:Changing username. Thanks in advance, and again, welcome! Wodup 10:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, Wodup! I've seen other users using images, and it just seemed like a good idea! I can get rid of it, though. As for the name: I decided I'd much prefer to be known as Erin Go Bragh, but I had already created this name, and I figured I should avoid making a second account! I'll check out that username change business; thanks again! Erin Go Bragh 18:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

IRA-stub

Hi - it has come to our notice that you have recently created a new stub type. As it states at Misplaced Pages:Stub, at the top of most stub categories and in many other places on Misplaced Pages, new stub types should be proposed prior to creation at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies, and whether better use could be made of a WikiProject-specific talk page template.

In the case of IRA-stub, it's not that likely that there are the required number of stubs for such a stub category. It's also not standard stubbing practice to create stub types for one side of a current or recent civil conflict. None of the current stub types that could take these stubs (such as NI-stub and NI-bio-stub) have sufficient stubs that splitting them makes any real sense from a stub-sorting point of view. Your WikiProject would almost certainly be far better served by a WikiProject-specific talk page template. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any reason why this stub type should not be proposed for deletion at WP:SFD. And please, in future, propose new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 05:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

New template

I've made a new template, following my post above and thought you might like to be the first recipient. To post it to another user, just put:

{{subst:Refstart}}

Tyrenius 10:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

That's really neat, Tyrenius! It explains it all, and is pretty concise, considering what it has to cover. Erin Go Bragh 23:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


Using references (citations)

I noticed you've been editing and not using references (refs). These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add information, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where the it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.

Simple referencing

The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section. This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:

==Notes and references==
<references/>

The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):

<ref>             </ref>

Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.

Test it out

Copy the following text, open the edit box for this page, paste it at the bottom (inserting your own text) and save the page:

==Reference test==
This is the text which you are going to reference.<ref> Substitute your own text in this space </ref>
==Notes and references==
<references/>

(End of text to copy and paste.)

Information to include

You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For a book it might look like this:

<ref> Smith, Timothy: "A Guide to Planets", page 29. Solar Publishing, 2001 </ref>

An online newspaper source would be:

<ref> Plunkett, John. , '']'', ]. Retrieved on ]. </ref>

Note the square brackets around the URL. The format is with a space between the URL and the Title. If you do this the URL is hidden and the Title shows as the link. Use a double apostrophe for the article title, and two single quote marks for the name of the paper (to generate italics).

The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site (useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead). Wikilinks, with double square brackets, function inside the ref tags. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings.

Citation templates

You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference

Using the same reference twice or more

The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:

<ref name=fred> DETAILS OF REF </ref>

The second time you use the same reference in the article, you only need to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:

<ref name=fred/>

You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them.

Example

You can see refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.

Next step

When you become familiar with the process, the next step is to have one section "Footnotes", with links embedded in the text, and another "References", which lists all of your references alphabetically with full details, e.g. for a book:

Lincoln, Abraham; Grant, U. S.; & Davis, Jefferson (1861). Resolving Family Differences Peacefully (3rd ed.). Gettysburg: Printing Press. ISBN 0-12-345678-9.

If you're ready to go into it further, these pages have detailed information:

I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know.

Tyrenius 10:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Did You Know nomination

Please bold the main article in your nomination. Clerks 20:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been trying. Thanks for the contant reminders; they help. I'll go look for where I messed up this time. Erin Go Bragh 23:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sean Cronin

This might seem like a slightly odd request/question, but do you know anything about Sean Cronin? I'm trying to get together enough information on him to formulate a tolerable Wiki Article but am finding it somewhat challenging, thanks.169.231.11.66 09:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Use of fair use images

Please see User:Durin/Removal of fair use images regarding fair use images and where they can be used in Misplaced Pages. You should stop using Image:Erin Go Bragh flag.jpg in your signature. Astrotrain 22:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

If you'll scroll up my talk page, you'll see that someone else already mentioned this to me. I have since stopped using any images in my signature. It seems that old signature do not change, however. Thank you for pointing it out to me, again, though. Erin Go Bragh 23:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Óglaigh na hÉireann (CIRA splinter group)

An editor has nominated Óglaigh na hÉireann (CIRA splinter group), an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Óglaigh na hÉireann (CIRA splinter group) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. Jayden54Bot 15:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Erin Go Bragh flag

Hi just to let you know I have uploaded a freely licensed version of the flag in the wikipedia commons which you could use in your {{User WPIRA}} template thanks --Barry talk 02:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Barry! This is quite usefull. Erin Go Bragh 23:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Rename

As requested, I have changed your name. You can now log in using the new username. Warofdreams talk 19:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Advice

I have an overview of Republican activity in spanish civil war and 6 counties during 1930s & 40s, where should it appear? Details from Northern Campaign are expanded on in it (that article didnt just detail the campaign when I originally wrote it.) Fluffy999 18:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Heads up on "State Terrorism by U.S."

Hey, just wanted to let you know that a brief vote on the "State Terrorism by the United States" page would be welcome. Just a "Keep" is all that's needed -- the nationalists on the page are taking an up-or-down vote on whether to rename it.

Working thru the muggy taiwan summer, here. SFT (chinese for "Stone put to sky" ^_^)Stone put to sky 12:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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