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I am heading to Paris! Can't wait! Be back around about 27 June... PageantUpdater is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Misplaced Pages soon.

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Archive 1 • 14 March - 22 March 2006
Archive 2 • 23 March - 11 April 2006
Archive 3 • 26 April 2006 - 26 July 2006
Archive 4
Archive 5 • 20 December 2006 - 13 February 2007

Precedent for state titleholders

Hello. Is there any precedent regarding whether or not all state titleholders of Miss USA and/or Miss America are notable? There are a couple of new articles that got created, and at least one of them has had a notability tag added to it. Here (Monica Louwerens‎ Kris Krull‎) are both of them if you want to take a look. --After Midnight 21:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out... yes they are notable (and have been saved in afds...)... will go take a look-see. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 21:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikistalking

With these last four edits, edit 1, edit 2, edit 3 and edit 4, I wonder if I'm being wikistalked. Please stop. -evrik 23:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Now things are getting ridiculous. See my reply on Talk:Kandice Pelletier. I would have removed those edits no matter who made them as they merely deprecate, rather than improve the article. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 23:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiStalking by PageantUpdater I have reported your continuing abuse. Now please leave me alone. --evrik 02:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow. This is nuts.--Filll 02:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Composite images

Hello, Pageant. I've recently found and uploaded Image:Miss Universe manitou2121.jpg and Image:Miss Universe manitou2121.jpg, and I thought you might be interested in them. I found them fascinating. Also, the entire Beautycheck site is very informative, if you're interested in the science of beauty.

(By the way, I think the copyright issues are fine on these, although it's tricky. The composite images are released under a free license, although the individual images upon which they are based are presumably not free. Still, since the individual images are not recognizable, I don't think the copyright holders could make a claim on the composite images. Interesting thought though.)

All the best, – Quadell 18:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

A little something for you

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For tolerance of nonsense above and beyond the call of duty Filll 23:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You may be needing a rest

Friendly advice: This may a sign that you're allowing yourself too much stress... --Abu badali 13:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Please! Don't take the above statement as humor or sarcasm. That page got me really worried. Best wishes, --Abu badali 13:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Article hacking

If you insist on removing the images placed on the Amazing Race 5 contestants, I will report you for vandalizing the page. The images as listed fit the FU guidelines. If you don't agree tak it up the the Talk:Amazing Race 5 contestants page.--evrik 21:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image policy

If you have a screenshot of an episode of TAR it can only be used in two articles: the main TAR article and that season's TAR article. And within reason, it can also be used to described the network which airs the program. Fairuse only allows an image to described the topic in discussion. In the case of {{TV-screenshot}} tag only allows a fairuse image dor the description the program pictured. Other uses are not permitted. For example, you can't use a screenshot of a contestant for their bio article on Misplaced Pages. --Madchester 21:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Maintenance tags

Actually, you are not allowed to remove maintenance tags unless you explicitly ask the editor who added it in the first place. This applies to both articles and user talk pages. --Madchester 22:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression, per the links I cited, that prod tags were allowed to be removed by any editor contesting the prod, and that this had to be accompanied by a message in the edit summary and on the talk page. As far as I am concerned this is standard practice. If you read the tag itself, those same instructions are given there. That is the whole idea with the prod tag - it is there until it is "contested" or removed by another editor. That is why I wished you luck getting it to stick, as I expected it to be quickly removed by Evrik. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

PU. I think you're right. --evrik 22:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Abu badali

You might be interested in this . Seems like the time to request arbitration is about here, as someone is trying to delete/archive the RfC. TheQuandry 20:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

RFC

I'll take a look at it when I can. Thanks for your message! --sunstar net 23:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look at it once I can too. Though for now, you need to get it endorsed, else it'll be deleted regardless. I'll have a look over both side as soon as I can get a chance. Seraphimblade 06:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't certify it, as I haven't been involved in the dispute. You need to sign it, and if there is another (DadChester or Filll, for instance) who tried and failed to resolve the issue through discussion on talk pages, they need to sign it. That is how it remains listed. Jeffpw 08:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Miss Teen America

Hello. It looks like you may be busy (I've been travelling this past week, so only doing minor editing), but if you have a chance, could you please take a look at Miss Teen America? I'm not sure what to make of it.... --After Midnight 17:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Miss Teen International (USA) listing fixed

Oops, have no idea what happened there. Anyway I was only meaning to nominate "Miss Teen International (USA)" so thanks for fixing it. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 00:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Got your request

I got your request to comment on your quixotic campaign against Evrik. I have commented. You should really take your comments off of your home page. --South Philly 21:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Survivor pages

I'm curious as to why you nominated them all seperately and didn't just use a mass afd. -- Scorpion 14:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Survivor AFDs

So, with your survivor AFDs, are you saying you think the star of a hit national TV show is less notable than a state-level winner at a pageant, with little national coverage? I don't understand these nominations. Most of these Survivor contestants satisfy WP:N, which simply requires non-trivial coverage from multiple independent sources. I've seen you reference "notability" without indicating what your definition is. --Rob 02:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well according to everything I've read since I came to Misplaced Pages I have gained the impression that in general reality television contestants are not notable unless they gained notability outside the game. The difference with state level titleholders is that they reign for a year and are visible in their communities for the length of their reign and leave a legacy afterwards, not to mention their participation and appearance on TV. In all honesty, I think that while some Survivor contestants (and Amazing Race, and America's Next Top model contestants) are notable, the vast majority are not and are better served by articles such as Amazing Race 5 contestants (currently up for deletion - I'm hoping it will be kept). Nice to hear from you, by the way :) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 02:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that contestants that are notable within the game deserve a page. This would mean getting to about the final 4, or being the first or only of something. Bruce and Lillian would qualify for this, each being notable besides just being a player. Also, Becky was part of the first 3-person tribal council, which makes her notable. Jordan 00:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

RFC

Hello PageantUpdater, thank you for your message. The reason I did not remove Erik's "postscript" is that he does not make reference to any other editor. In your "postscript", you specifically say that you want to respond to things said by Erik.

Generally speaking, I don't think it is a big problem to add to your own comments. (I say generally speaking because I can envision a scenario that would cause problems if other people had already endorsed the view, and then the author changes their statement dramatically. In that case, the people who endorsed it would have endorsed a very different version. However, I don't think this technicality applies here).

I do think there is something wrong with responding to other peoples comments. This is specifically precluded from RfC's. Please let me know if you can agree with this reasoning. Best, Johntex\ 07:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Miss International (USA)

In the debate, there were indeed a few comments. However, the last delete comment was, in my opinion, successfully rebutted by Bebedebroadway. That leaves only your nomination requesting deletion. At best, it was no consensus, but I saw a week keep, a merge (which defaults to keep, as it just asks for the information to be moved somewhere else), and a comment that does not indicate a desire for deletion. In either case, there was not a consensus to delete. That said, the article can still be merged; it is a purely editorial decision, and does not have anything to do with AFD or the rest of the deletion process. Titoxd 02:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Even in that case, it still would boil down to a no consensus. If you disagree with my closure, you're free to request a review of my actions in Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. Titoxd 03:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I could but why bother? Anyway the best thing to do right now is simply to do some research, rework the article, reference it better and pull it into shape. No point being destructive when you can be constructive, huh?! -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 03:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Although considering it has little more than 4 non-trivial media sources that might not be so easy. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 03:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Amazing Race 11 Images

--Skeetidot 00:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC) PageantUpdater,

I'm new to Misplaced Pages edits, but wanted to add images to Survivor, Big Brother, and Amazing Race articles, the way that they had been added to other articles (see http://en.wikipedia.org/American_idol_5 for an example).

The images were all from CBS.com (so they would be consistent) that I coverted into thumbnails in Adobe Photoshop CS. and I'm under the impression that they are "fair use" images. Also, I added the link to each of these photos when I uploaded them.

I know editors aren't allowed to add just any image found online, which is why I was trying to keep it to official images from the network's official home pages for the shows. Other than adding an image that I took myself and release to the public domain, how else am I to correctly upload images? Which licensing category is appropriate? Do you have any examples of articles with allowable images?

Thanks, Lauren

Re: An idea

I can do those links for "Miss Photogenic" and "Miss Congeniality" - no problem. Do you want all instances in the table, or just the "top-most"? Also, did you happen to see Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 26#Category:Beauty Pageant Winners ? --After Midnight 00:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Beauty pageant winners

You asked for specific examples for why this category shouldn't be deleted. Check out my logic and you may see the point I'm trying to make. For the record, I'm not invested in the topic of beauty pageants at all, I just hate to see a logical progression to organization fail by consensus. CovenantD 09:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Still here I see :)

Hiya, remember me? (Check Archive 1 if not). How's things? Good to see you're still here :) --kingboyk 09:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Manske picture

I have saw a picture of Nicole Manske that could be used for a possible replacement. It is her picture to when she worked at WISH-TV in Indianapolis that could qualify as fair us or as promotional that could be used as a replacement. Click on that link to her article and issue comments on this to me please. Even though I don't follow beauty pageants much and despite knowing a former Miss TN and two former Miss SC's, I am interested in Manske because of the auto racing part of her career that she is in, I would still like to have an image of her if possible. Chris 21:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't think of an instance where a fair use picture would be suitable for this article. I know it doesn't seem right, and I myself have had issues with the guidelines (for example, nearly one hundred pictures I uploaded were tagged as RFU late last year) but it's just one of those things. For a fair use image to be viable, it would have to illustrate something of great importance to the article rather than purely being decorative. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

One of the links I have on Manske shows her as a finalist for the 1998 Miss Teen US pageant and I wonder if that would be a possible substitute for this. It is a thought. I may be grasping for straws on this. I wish there was a way to make these images more easily accessible to use so that we would not have to go through all of this hulabaloo that we could use this stuff as is. This is one of two things, IMO, that i find extremely frustrating about Misplaced Pages (the other is vandalism which I absolutely despise). Chris 20:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I tired to download another image of Manske that was not an issue, but that proved unsuccessful. As a result, I decided to remove the RFU and replaced it with an Ifd with a speedy delete by author. I wish we could get more clarity on this issue, espcially because I want to download images of bobsled, luge, and skeleton tracks as part of a project I am starting later this month. Thanks for your help on this. Chris 23:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The issue is that you over-wrote the last photo without changing the fair use rationale. I agree that the other picture should be able to be used so I'll see what I can do. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 23:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The initial image was deleted and I am glad to see that you put the image I was putting in, but unsuccessfully overrided in. Thank you for doing this. I owe you one on this. Chris 13:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Janelle/Janel Bishop

Hello. I saw this morning that our friend changed Janelle Bishop to Janel Bishop on the article and also at Miss Teen USA. We now have a red-link that should either be fixed via creation of a redirect or doing a page move. I started to try to check sources to see which name spelling was better to use and I am stumped. Can you make a recommendation please? --After Midnight 13:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I checked the Miss Universe press site and in fact it is "Janel". I was surprised! I will do the page move now. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Miss Arkansas USA picture

Hi. this one for Kelly George is a little tricky. But, I'm going to say we should consider it free, and if you don't upload it, I probably will. I don't see any "red flag". For instance it doesn't say "Courtesy Photo" (which are usually unfree). Also, certain military publications aren't public domain, like the "Stars and Stripes", but they explicitly state when that's the case. And the photo isn't from a pageant. It's presented as a a news story, by the Air Force. So, I say go for it, but of course, feel free to ask again at Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions. I consider this photo a nice find. As for Tara Conner, I'll take a look (haven't read it for a while). --Rob 01:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'll upload it in the next few hours when I get a chance :) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 02:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

My sandbox

I've made some more changes, so feel free to check out my sandbox again. Also, you may want to try it out on some other pageants to see if you think of anything else to add. Any changes will be easier before it gets on too many articles. --After Midnight 03:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration re: Abu badali

Hi. I am writing you because you were one of the respondants on the RfC about Abu badali that was started back in November. There has been no substantive comment there for over a month and User:Abu badali has never bothered to respond to the RfC. The last comment on the talk page of the RfC was a suggestion to take it to arbitration, which is what I propose we do. Accordingly, I have created a shell/draft listing to add to the list of Arbitration Committee matters here. I've listed your new there, preliminarily, as a complaintant. If you are not interested in participating, please remove your name. If you are, please add your comments as we must prepare a 500 word summary of the case. Thanks for your attention - Jord 15:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Someone suggested I take it there but as I had never set one up, had/ve no idea of the specific process and am busy irl right now, I never got around to it. Will take a look and comment when I get time. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 18:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio images

Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems is for copyright violations. If for instance Evrik would have stated he made that picture and licensed it under the GFDL, which he didn't of course. The picture is obviously a fair use image. Whether it fails our fair use criteria is something different. Looking at it, I don't think they do. It's better to use the tags {{rfu}} (for replacable fair use) and {{orfud}} (for orphan fair use) and of course WP:IFD. Garion96 (talk) 03:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Pageant calendar

Is there any online calendar for major US pageants? I'd like to try and get some photographers into the state and national ones. -- Zanimum 19:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

21 March: Ali Landry's birth name was Katee June Stearns?

Afternoon, You said/added that Ali Landry's birth name was Kattee June Smears. It was taken away. Since your specialty is pageants, I think you probably do know. Do you have a source? Lilkunta 16:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops... a mistake! Thanks for pointing it out! (Katee Stearns was Miss Maine USA 2006). By the way, sorry to be rude, but your font is really difficult to read. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 21:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Afternoon,What is hard to read? Is this better?Lilkunta 15:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It's the font that's the problem... -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Christopher-Taylor

Hello, I'm out of town, so not fully able to research things for a couple weeks. I noticed these 2 edits and was a bit suspicious about these. It almost looks like a crossover, with the same hyphenated name, but the first names are different. I checked at Pageant Almanac, but no crossover is listed. Do we have a type, or vandalism, or sisters with the same hyphenation? I am stumped and welcome any research you can put together on this. --After Midnight 05:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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Re: 'broadcasted' in Danielle Lacourse

While I agree with the need to fix grammar as well as spelling, in this case you've picked a bad example, as at http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/broadcasted 'broadcasted' is listed as a valid variant of 'broadcast'. I accept 'broadcast' might sound better, but I don't 'fix' valid variants of a word. Rjwilmsi 17:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Uma Blasini

I commented in support of the request. Thanks for proposing it.

208.59.119.30 02:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Posting on User talk:XLR8TION

Hello. I saw your post here and just wanted to confirm that it was intended for XLR8TION and not for me. I know that this issue has been getting pretty contentious and I am assuming that XLR8TION made a comment to you in an edit summary or somewhere else that you took offense to, but it is possible that you misinterpreted my posting to him and thought that I was accusing you of something. I am only thinking this because of the way that your comment sits under mine and it looks like you are addressing me rather than him, but I hope that I am just being confused by the format. I hope you know that I have a great deal of respect for you as another editor and that I would never intentionally make you feel accused of something or attack you in a public forum; I would always approach you directly and respectfully; but if my fear is correct and I have hurt you please let me know so that I can further explain my actions and intentions. Best regards. --After Midnight 01:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Please go to and participate in the mediation. You apparently think you own all articles relating to beauty pageants on this site, therefore, mediation is requested due to ignorance and vandalism on part of yourself and others. --XLR8TION 01:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

XLR8TION, your message above appears to be a personal attack. The first sentence of your message would have been sufficient to get your message across, the second sentence was unnecessary and not called for. Please be more careful with your tone towards other editors. --After Midnight 02:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Please refer to mediation. It is apparent that you do no t want to mediate this matter as you feel that you personally own these pages. By mediating, a resolution can be brought.

Considering I was the one who instituted the move procedure to estblish consensus on the matter rather than acting unilaterally, I think you are grossly overreacting. I have already outlined the reasons I have chosen not to participate in the mediation: I do not believe it is justified at this time. Let's wait and see what happens with the move request, and go from there. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Do not warn me as no vote has taken place. I have requested that action on these articles be taken as you have clearly disregarded any attempt to take a mediation into affect. Yo DO NOT own articles so don't claim ownership. Your words clearly indicate that you claim ownership. You have violated the three RR rule many times as well. Article will be submitted to an editor for intervention whether you like it or not.--XLR8TION 14:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

To the parties involved, I looked at the source posted in Wilma Blasini's article and it mentions her as "Uma Blasini". It was my mistake to revert. I recommend that it remains as "Uma Blasini" for now, which seems to be the most common name she is referred to, even if it is her "nickname". There are more important things in Misplaced Pages to tend to. Tony the Marine 17:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

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Re: Protection

I'm not going to bother with diffs, the history shows a high amount of good contributions. Frankly, I doesn't look like you're putting much effort into maintaining the article It seems to me you are trying to take the easy way out with protection. I see no attempts at discussion or warning of the anonymous editors. John Reaves (talk) 22:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

And I'm sure you reverted it, right? John Reaves (talk) 22:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I am trying too but it's like picking through a needle in a haystack to separate the vandalism throughout the article from the reversions people have made. Semi-protection for a few days would have allowed the article to be updated as necessary without it becoming the mess it is now. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I've sprotected it. There are tons of vandalism, some of it in consecutive edits by different users, which means that people are going to rollback one vandal to another vandal, and frequently as well. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing with Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the Next Doll. I was going to ask you to begin with but didn't want to bother you so thought I'd post a request for protection... what a disaster that was! Not a topic I have any interest on apart from a pageant girl being in the mix (hence it being on my watchlist) and I've already spent too much time sorting it out. :P Hope all is well with you. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 01:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The sprotect template seems to have disappeared... fixed that :) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 01:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It's actually easier to just ask an admin for page protections really...most people do it. It's only those who don't really know any admins on a personal note that will join the standard queue...and likely get fobbed off unless it gets hypervandalised. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Table & Names

Hi.

I'm understand about the change of the table, but, we can put the full name of the delegates. Many of the fans want that information.

'Alex Duiius' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alex Duilius (talk • contribs) 06:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Miss Nevada USA, Helen Salas's evening gown score

http://www.geocities.com/missusamagicp/Coronation3.html

In this link, Helen's evening gown score is shown as 8.100. Please update the table and scores on the Miss USA 2007 article.

That article is a fansite and as such I do not know what their source for the score is. I do not consider it a reliable source and will not add it to the article until we've got a better source. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Claudia Jordan....

Is born and raised in Rhode Island...yet, for the flag, you put down Oregon. WTF, mate? Brokenwit 00:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Removal of list from Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the Next Doll

Greetings,

I've reverted your removal of the candidate list from Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the Next Doll. Feel free to remove it once more with a more adequate explanation as to the reason for removal. Regards. Netkinetic (t/c/@) 21:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

You may in the future add into your edit summary the exact reason, no extensive explanation required, for removing information from articles. Otherwise it can look like vandalism. Regards. Netkinetic (t/c/@) 21:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

With all that has been going on in that page, the "no need for this list" I put as the edit summary was sufficient. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 21:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Miss Universe 2007 Article

Hey.

First of all, thanks for all your contributions to the article. And great job on culling out all the unsubstantiated info and citing your sources. As for the paragraph in question in regards to Serbia & Montenegro, I just found your paragraph somewhat vague and confusing, and you had also misspelled "previously". I just corrected that typo, and provided more info (and cited as well through Pageant Almanac) in regards to the new representation. When I saw that we both meant well, I just deleted everything altogether and left the first sentence intact, which was what both of us wanted to say in the first place. No harm, no foul. Anyway, Global Beauties has just released the candidate list it had obtained from the Miss Universe organization. It included candidates from the British Virgin Islands and Namibia, and had Portugal in it too. However, no candidates have been selected from Georgia or Romania, although both are on the list. Lithuania is not the list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.205.139.183 (talk) 08:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

3RR warning

you for violating Misplaced Pages's three revert rule, and you may be blocked from editing. -- CharliTa • talk | contribs | esperanza 18 April 2007 (UTC)Please stop reverting my edits on the Asia Nitollano page. This is a warning that if you do this again I will report you.

BLP is 3RR exempt. Also, you forgot to remove the child out of wedlock thing in the last revert.. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Ooops! Anyway thanks for sorting things out... -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 02:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't removed that part of the war, else I would not be able to use my admin tools if necessary. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

About "rv deletion..."

In re: this revert: The convo is on Ezeu's page. So I didnt delete it. Ezeu said it shouldnt be in 2 places. Did u chk his/her page?_Lilkunta 17:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC).

In that case, mention it in the edit summary so that other editors see that it was a good faith edit. And please do not use coloured fonts and txtspk on my talk page. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 23:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

3RR warning

you for violating Misplaced Pages's three revert rule, and you may be blocked from editing. -- Joseph.James00 18 April 2007 (UTC)Please stop reverting my edits on the Asia Nitollano page. This is a warning that if you do this again I will report you.

3RR does not cover reverting WP:BIO violations PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 00:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

lilkunta

In re this revert: I'm discussin my page. Pls wait 1 sec. Thx. PS: r u 2 'watching me'?"Big brother" needs to remain only in tv world. _Lilkunta 02:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

3RR

I'm just heading out the door, so I'll let someone who'll be around to communicate with him after any action is taken handle it. Thanks for letting me know, though. Seraphimblade 13:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Editor review

I reviewed you. YechielMan 03:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I've seen it addressed on editor review before. It really doesn't matter were its addressed however. Oh well. You can delete it and move to here if you would like. Thanks! --Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť 01:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:KatieBlair.jpg listed for deletion

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Fuckin' Badali

I'm asking you because I don;t know who else to ask.

Why is nothing being done about this jerk? We made a long document, but it's just sitting there. I don't know about this administrative stuff. Is there some next step that needs to be taken? Can I help?

TechnoFaye Kane 18:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

You put into words my very feeling. Honestly, I have no idea about what to do next. The RFC was challening enough for me, I have no idea what the next step is. Perhaps we should contact the editors who suggested taking this to arbitration and see if they can help? PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 22:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Well you do it. Badali just deleted another image in one of the three articles I still care enough about to watch. They will see him as a beset-uupon enforcer of their rules. The bozos who run this place now listen to their tunnel-vision corporate lawyer who is paid to keep them out of trouble and cares nothing for the users, so they exclude material which OBVIOUSLY no one would complain about, like studio publicity photos.

The best we could hope for is a token suspend him for a while,then he will be back, laughing. Even if they terminate his account, he is probably ALREADY doing the "nihilistic destruction of everything valuable" he is so proud of under another name because he thinks it will happen. That's why he doesn't defend himself. If I knew where he lived, I'd hire someone to put on a ski mask and take a baseball bat to him without saying anything, then when he's at the cops, let him try real hard to think of ALLLL the people the asshole has fucked over in RL, wikipedia, and everywhere else.

I am DONE with wikipedia. Fuck it.

TechnoFaye Kane 03:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Badali

Thanks for your note on my talk page, the draft arbitration case has fallen somewhat silent lately. If you and this other user(s) could add your comments and conerns to it, I would be happy to consolidate it and submit it for arbitration. - Jord 15:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Miss Universe 2004 and Miss Universe 2005

Pageant Updater, do you know the order of placement for the top 15 and top 10 for both MU 2004 and 2005? I think you might know since there are some sources that said Latvia finished 7th in 2005, Indonesia finished 15th in 2005, Canada finished 6th, and etc. Could you send me any links or sources?

Sam72991 01:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration against Abu badali

Further to our conversations at and with respect to User:Jord/ArbCom-Abu badali, I will be posting the arbitration including a summary of all of our concerns shortly. Jord 17:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for this. I have just had my tonsils out and am in no mood for dealing with this issue so thank you for taking the initiative. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 20:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Though I rarely edit this fucking encyclopedia anymore, I wanted to give you something to make you feel better after your tonsillectomy. I had it done when I was 32, so I know how much it can hurt. Let's hope this arbitration leads to something positive--like that fucker getting his ass banned from Misplaced Pages for good. That might make me come back. All the best, Jeffpw 20:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to update you, the arbitration has been accepted. You might want to go and make a statement to the committee. Jeffpw 12:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Arkansas

Hello. I hope all is well with you. I've not gotten any messages from you for a while, so I assume you've been busy with other tasks, or just didn't need anything. I was hoping that I could ask you to check out the name changes on Miss Arkansas USA and Miss Arkansas Teen USA as made by 206.255.150.65 (talk · contribs). These look like fairly innocuous changes, but I was hoping that you could verify them since there is no comment in the edit history. --After Midnight 23:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (Talk) 20:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:MelissaLingafelt.jpg)

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This image in no longer orphaned. It was removed from the article by an anon IP about 1 hour before it was tagged as an orphan by the above user. Accordingly, I have restored the image to the article and removed the orphan tag from the image. --After Midnight 03:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Get well soon

I hope that this ice cream soothes your throat and that you feel better soon. Hopefully you will have a speedy recovery and be back to your usual contributions soon. --After Midnight 03:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:ChelsiMissUSA.jpg

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Mario Lopez

The private life of the host of the pageant, or his former wife was or not a winner of Miss USA is irrelevant and out of the propouse of the Miss Universe 2007 article. Please, write an article of Mario Lopez or a fan site about him.

~Cawabonga from Mexico~

Offensive edit summaries

Hi, PageantUpdater. Although we have been in disagreement about a lot of issues, we had never engaged in incivility. This edit summary was not like you. I had to check a dictionary for understanding that word, and when I did, I got filled by a sentiment of disappointment. I'm faithful that this won't repeat. Best regards, --Abu badali 15:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

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Politics rule 12:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee! Have a great day, CJinoz!

--Destructo 22:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

File:Birthday.gif

On your day, I wish for you
Favorite people to embrace,
Loving smiles and caring looks
That earthly gifts cannot replace.

I wish you fine and simple pleasures.
I wish you many years of laughter.
I wish you all of life's best treasures.
I wish you happily ever after!

Happy birthday, dear PageantUpdater!

Love,
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03:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

File:Birthday.gif

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Template:Vodafone

Hi. I see from this talk page you don't like the flags either? It was hideous and hard to understand. I've removed them. btw, I see you're looking for comments re. your editing style. Might I suggest that in the spririt of WP:Be bold, you should have went ahead and removed them? If someone raised an objection you could have discussed it, if no one raised an objection then you bypass an unnecessary wait. Just a thought. Best regards, Mark83 12:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Abubadali Arbitration

Do you want to get the case to arbitration? I know nothing about it, but maybe we can help each other out... Arbiteroftruth 15:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Kate Michael image

Hi!!! I just got a chance to respond to your note today. Thanks for the kind words!!! Please feel free to use my image of 2006 Miss DC Kate Michael in the commons section... By the way, I'm also working on adding pages for other notable Pageant winners, the latest being Kate's predecessor, 2005 Miss DC Shannon Schambeau... Jc077 9:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Miss Teen USA Seizes Crown

Hey Pageant,

I read this and thought of you. :) Miss Teen USA Seizes Crown, Declares Self Miss Teen USA For Life. – Quadell 18:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Associated Press images

Hi, PageantUpdater. I'm avoid templates to avoid your distress. Would you consider asking yourself for an admin to delete Image:MissUniverse2007crowndrop.jpg? It may had not occurred to you when you uploaded it, but, as this image comes from Associated Press(AP), a company in the business of licensing images for a fee, when we use it to illustrate some text about the event it depicts we are using it in direct replacement of the original market role of the image.

Please, note that irreplaceability (the first of our 10 non-free content criteria), in situations like these, only increase the value the image has to its copyright holder. For similar cases where unique photographs were deleted because our use was diminishing the image's value to it's copyright holder, you may want to check this or this discussions (in the first one, Jimbo himself stepped in to delete the image).

All the best, --Abu badali 19:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image

My mistake. The image has been restored. ^demon 21:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what template you're referring to, but you're more than welcome to do whatever to the image, I have no real interest in it. ^demon 22:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

That's okay - it's just a template to show that the image has been kept. I think it has to be added by the admin dealing with it. It just means that if "certain editors" want to cause a fuss, at least the template is there to show it's been kept. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 22:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Kari Schull

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Kari Schull, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but yours may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Calton | Talk 23:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Kari Schull

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but all Misplaced Pages articles must meet our criteria for inclusion (see What Misplaced Pages is not and Deletion policy). Since it does not seem to me that Kari Schull meets these criteria, I have started a discussion about whether this article should be kept or deleted.

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I would strongly recommend you STOP afd-ing and prod-ing these articles... wait for ONE case to go through then act on the rest accordingly. You are creating a great deal of repetitive work for myself and other editors.

And I would have strongly recommended that you not waste time and server space with your assembly line of nearly identical and trivial articles attempting to document the non-accomplishments of every American female who's walked across a stage wearing swimsuits, high heels, and a sash, but it appears to be too late for that. And what "great deal of repetitive work" am I creating for you? Requiring you to actually write actually encyclopedic articles which actually meet basic encyclopedic standards? God forbid. --Calton | Talk 01:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

And to actually answer your question: nope. Not your call. --Calton | Talk 01:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and 6 prods are not "tons" -- try to limit the hyperbole. --Calton | Talk 01:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

6? Get a life. I remove the prod from six but there are seven others to deal with... I just can't be bothered doing so right now... I have five days. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 01:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

PageantUpdater, I have removed all of the other Prods I could find. According to Wiki protocol, the article may not be re-prodded once the tag is removed, but must,, instead, be AFD'd. I thoroughly understand your reasoning on notability, and have voted Keep in the AFds I have seen. It seems a bit overly enthusiastic to me for Calton to have prodded so many articles, but looking through his contributions, this seems a pattern of his. Read his talk page completely for details. Jeffpw 07:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this. I was tired and frustrated (and blew my top) and couldn't be bothered dealing with the others today. I appreciate your effort!PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 07:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Holly Shively

Please try to refrain from making threats to other editors, especially within AfD discussions. It can be considered a attack on another editor. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer • 02:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, you did apologize, and I'm glad that you did. No harm, no foul, at least this time -- you just had a momentary lapse. But please do try to be a little more careful next time. Ten Pound Hammer • 02:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Hi PageantUpdater. You lucky thing....well have a nice and happy trip. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you :) I am très excited! PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 03:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest you retract the last part of your comment

. As far as I'm aware he's not from Crete. Megapixie 01:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:MissUniverse2007crowndrop.jpg listed for deletion

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Pageant deletions

Since AFDs are not a vote I look at the weight of each argument, which does irk some users as they think if they get enough keep votes any afd will at least end in no consensus. The arguments for keep were almost identical in every AFD I closed: "She might not be notable now, but she will be later," in which the proper course of action would be to delete the article and recreate it when better sources exist. I stand by my decisions. — Ocatecir 16:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Joanna Candelaria

Hi. Sorry I nominated this for speedy deletion. I read it very quickly and it didn't seem notable. I'll take more care next time. Cordless Larry 15:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)