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Another one bites the dust.

Bye Misplaced Pages.

I hereby retire. I can't stand the fact that no one actively helps fighting the actions of uneducated editors who make really dumb claims like "heat is the same thing as thermal energy". If the Misplaced Pages will continue to refuse to give experts the editorial control necessary to guard against such errors, then there is really no place for experts at Misplaced Pages. They will leave as I am leaving.

--ScienceApologist 23:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not happy to hear this. I agree with you that experts should be given editorial control, but there might be other ways of accomplishing this. You need to join talk. That won't help sway dedicated cranks - that's for ArbCom, I guess - but some people might simply fail to understand why you're doing what you're doing, and might appreciate and be convinced by your explanation. Educate them. Alternately, you can solicit the involvement of other editors such as William M Connelley or myself.Proabivouac 00:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm also sorry to see you go, but fully understand the reasons. I would have left a long time ago (and nearly did so a couple of times) but felt I could not in good conscience abandon the project to the lunatic anti-science POV-pushers. My rationale is that as long as people are going to continue using this thing, I have a responsibility to try and make it conform to reality. But when all you get for your trouble is a kick in the teeth it's hard to continue. Raymond Arritt 00:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I too say, don't go William M. Connolley 12:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

We've got a long row to hoe here, and it'll much tougher without your help. It's frustrating and time-consuming working on Misplaced Pages, but I think it is in the end worthwhile, and fun to boot. I hope you reconsider, or at least return after a nerve-soothing vacation at the beach. --Art Carlson 14:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

You Will Be Missed

Your abilities in all things WP:V, your talents in WP:SPADE, and your crystal-tipped logic will be sorely missed around here. Were it not for your clearly stated rationale for retirement, I would be begging you, for the good of Misplaced Pages, to stay until the Paranormal arbitration is finished. Antelan 00:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

PS - Nevermind, I'm going to beg anyway. Antelan 00:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Wifflebat award

		The Wiki Wiffle Bat
		I'm awarding you this Wiki Wiffle bat for having shown exceptional skill in the area(s) of logic, rationality, dispute resolution/mediation particularly in the face of flames and general animosity. Wikidudeman 05:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

But...

• "No one actively helps fighting" because edit warring is not constructive. I'm sure that all editors would agree with the aims of User:Ed Poor who started the Harmonious editing club.
• "uneducated editors" must be referring to someone like myself, whom ScienceApologist has called "incompetent" "close-minded ignorance", "inordinate ignorance", "nonscientist layman", "Basic ignorance".
• ... together with "dumb claims", is an example of both "Judgmental tone" and "Belittling contributors" as outlined in the official Wiki policy on Civility
• But I agree with ScienceApologist, .. "heat is not the same things as thermal energy". Except that this was not the point. The issue was whether to merge to subjects; perhaps someone considered them related areas of thermodynamics?
• "there is really no place for experts at Misplaced Pages", on the contrary, there is no place for those who resort to personal attacks, edit warring, and need special help from administrators.
• I reckon he'll be back within a week.--Iantresman 17:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I take umbrage at your willful mischaracterization of my comments. I request your withdrawal of the abusive bulletpoint that micharacterizes and misquotes from my statement. Antelan 19:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• My apologies, no mischaracterization of your statement was intended. I have edited the statement accordingly. I have found from personal experience that ScienceApologist has not used WP:V for his own statements, ignored peer-reviewed citations when it suits him, or even claimed that he does not require citations; his personal attacks do not justify WP:SPADE, and I'm sure I can provide examples of flawed logic. That's not see that he did not use them correctly at all. --Iantresman 19:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)