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Problem with collage Image:FamousUKR.JPG

uk:Зображення:Сергій Корольов.jpg - This image cann't be PD in Russia or Ukraine and so collage cann't be GFDL.

As we can see on image Sergey Korolyov had got two Golden Star, therefore this image was created after 1961 and copyrighted. Alex Spade 18:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. :-) Alex Spade 19:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. —dima/talk/ 19:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Template Deletion notices

Template:Ukrainian Premier League has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.

Template:Ukrainian First League has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.

Template:Ukrainian Second League has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.

Hope all is well =)) --Palffy 23:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing up the templates! —dima/talk/ 23:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion icons

Please don't include "cute" icons in your comment when suggesting to delete or keep certain templates and so forth. Such images have been suggested several times in the past, and the community doesn't appreciate them. Thanks. >Radiant< 09:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Cute icons?? No, I just included them because it makes it easier to see comments in the afd's. But, if people don't like them, I won't include them anymore. —dima/talk/ 20:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Valuyevsky Ukaz

Please see my question at Talk:Valuyevsky Ukaz#"The Ukrainian language never existed, does not exist, and shall never exist". The Transliterator • talk 15:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Since you put that information in your response is required. Even saying that you'll check it, or that you don't know. Something. The Transliterator • talk 21:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the late responce.. I translated the article some time ago from the Ukrainian Misplaced Pages, and the article states in spite of commonly accepted opinions, this decree did not include.... So I don't know which version is right or not, the Ukrainian Misplaced Pages or Russian Wikisource.. —dima/talk/ 02:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I asked there why they wrote it. It seems to me that the error is in the Ukrainian Misplaced Pages (among other reasons since they themselves link to a text of the Ukaz that is identical to the one that's in the Russian Wikisource). Anyway, in the future you might consider writing in the edit summary that you're translating from a foreign Misplaced Pages when you do that. It is a custom we have on the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. It helps keeping track of such things, and gives the proper credit required by the GFDL license. The Transliterator • talk 03:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I will look around for more references on the Valuyevsky Ukaz and see what they write, but the Wikisource is probably right, as I have see the Ukrainian Misplaced Pages to have factual errors. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll put that I translated from foreign Misplaced Pages in the edit summary next time I translate an article. Cheers, —dima/talk/ 03:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I've rewritten the article, take a look at it. Unfortunately I can't do the same in Ukrainian. The Transliterator • talk 23:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen.. nice job btw! If I get around to it, I'll translate the article into Ukrainian.. —dima/talk/ 23:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The Map of "Novorossia"

I am afraid that the you reloaded resently, is still unacceptable. The borders of "Novorossia" shown there are clearly wrong. (It looks like the eastern border is nothing else as the modern border of Ukraine). Note that the original map was taken from a partizan site. And the author was not even aware that Lugansk and Donetsk are differen cities. It cannot be considered as a reliable source.--AndriyK 13:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I understand that it is unreliable. When I uploaded it, I didn't want it to be placed into the article. What we need is a professionally made map. I have a collection of Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionaries at hand, and I can look on their articles on Novorossiya and other areas.. —dima/talk/ 16:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Template:PD-UA-exempt

Hi there, I noticed you edited the Template:PD-UA-exempt awhile back. You are welcome to contribute on a related Rfc page here, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/FC Vorskla Poltava image. Much appreciated, --Palffy 21:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see what I can do. —dima/talk/ 01:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Carpatho-Ruthenia.

I have reverted your edit, because in 1880, there were NO ukrainians in Carpatho-Ruthenia. (No one said himself to be Ukrainian...) The majority of inhabitans called themselves "Rusyn", "Rus'kyj" or "Rusnak", which are translated into English as "Rusyns". In Europe Carpatho-Rusyns, Bieloruss and Ukrainians were called Ruthenians. That's why we should write Ruthenians / Rusyns. Regards --Rusyn 19:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ivan Franko

Hi. I just noticed it was you who'd created the infobox for Franko. Feel free to revert, but my rationale was that it seemed anachronistic. After all, he never lived under that flag, and never lived in an independent Ukraine. However, I'm not sure what the standard is in such cases, so if you have reason to revert, then please do so. Biruitorul 05:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from Zaporozhian.

Thanks a lot for welcoming me! My username is probably misleading—I picked it mostly because I knew it wouldn’t be taken—and my enthusiasm about and interest in Russia and Ukraine (Ukraine, especially) is matched only by my ignorance about them. I try to keep up with what’s going on there, but the only book I’ve read that’s about one of them exclusively was Ukraine: A History. I won’t be any good for translation (I’m trying to do something about the fact that English is the only language I know) and while I can do Cyrillic transliteration up to a point, I’m sure there’s another Wikipedian who can do it far better. I can copy-edit fairly well, though, and have a decent bias detector. I’ll try to be a good Wikipedian, and thanks again. --Zaporozhian 05:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome :) If you have any concerns, issues, or need help, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, —dima/talk/ 17:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Zakarpattia Oblast

Nice job on Zakarpattia! :Dc76 20:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I meant to get to it some time ago, but only started just now. This still much more information that can be added... would you like to help out? —dima/talk/ 20:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Rusyns

Saying Ukrainians (including Rusyns) can be though as insulting towards Rusyn people. If we write like that, it could be thought that Rusyns are part of Ukrainians. I think that writing Ukrainians and Rusyns and then adding a short lign saying, that Rusyns weren't counted as such during the census would be the best. That way, articles about Demographics in Zakarpattiya will satisfy the Neutral policy of Misplaced Pages. What do you think about that? --Rusyn 18:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would be more neutral. I have recently re-structured and rewrote Zakarpattia Oblast, and have added a footenote, stating that Rusyns weren't counted as a separate nation... I think it is better this way.. BTW, do you want to help out with expanding the article? —dima/talk/ 18:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

В переписи, на самом деле, были записаны и русины (10183) и русинский язык (6725) Просто в английской версии сайта ЦСУ эти данные не так просто найти. Я добавил эти данные в статью. Там нужно только правильно оформить ссылки. Кстати почему-то не виден текст из этого же абзаца Zakarpattia is home to approximately 14,000 ethnic Roma (otherwise known as Gypsies), the largest population of Roma in Ukraine. The first Hungarian College in Ukraine is in Berehovo, the II. Rákoczi Ferenc College. --Yakudza 11:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course!--Rusyn 09:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for adding the info.. —dima/talk/ 16:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Zakarpattia_Oblast&action=history

Have you thought of editing once and using the Preview button to review your changes? +Hexagon1 13:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I do that all the time :)) There are just some problems with my browser, so I prefer to save right away, rather than loose all my work (which has happened a couple of times).. —dima/talk/ 16:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

That used to happen with my email, I just copied the whole thing every few minutes to prevent it being lost if connection fails or browser dies. Now happily on broadband and Vista, everything is stable, but I still copy what I'm writing all the time, and strongly recommend that technique! +Hexagon1 09:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Carpathian-Ruthenia portal

Would you like to participate in the creation of the portal? Helping is welcomed!!Rusyn 17:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for starting it! I was going to start on it too, but never got around to it. —dima/talk/ 17:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't really know how it works, but I think you should add your username in the information about the portal box...Rusyn 17:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

There is a link to the box header under the news box, do you know what to do to remove it. There is also a link to the box footer under did you know box.Rusyn 17:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

No I don't.. I will play around with it and try to remove it somehow.. —dima/talk/ 17:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'll contitue tomorrow, thanks. Feel free to edit!Rusyn 19:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Podilsko-Voskresenska Line

Good article, I added some additions to it, but can we export a map from somewhere? Also should the template be the other way around (north to south)? Also where are the announcements on WP:SOVMETRO? --Kuban Cossack 13:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for expanding it.. Well, we can use the Urbanrail map perhaps, but it's copyrighted.. Do you know if the owner(s) would allow use to use their images as {{attribution}}?

Also, check out my newly created Botanicheskiy Sad (Kharkiv Metro). I was trying out a new look for the line templates, see {{Alekseevskaya Line}}.. Do you think it's good with the collapsable style, because now it doesn't take up so much space and its easier to arrange the pictures? —dima/talk/ 17:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind the template being collapsible, but its look is ... crap. I got firefox and the line seems broken, I can barely make out the parts under construction and the parts not... Revert it, please. Kharkov Metro... if I only had more time on my hands (and considering I am nearing my 2nd anniversary of being a wikipedian) the whole WP:SOVMETRO would be finished by now. The maps is copyrighted, but I can always expand my one... also there is Mno's map that could be updated and improved. I don't know honestly, I have attempted to contact Urbanrail, but got no reply. Anyway as you might tell, my hands right now are full with two articles (one in particular) so if you want me back... then help out. --Kuban Cossack 17:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Also how embarrassing do you find that for the length of the templates existence none of us realised that the extensions came out in the wrong sides of template wrt existing stations... it would have made one very intersting line...--Kuban Cossack 18:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I will play around with the templates and see what I can do.. Well, I too tried to contact someone regarding use of materials (archunion.com.ua) and they never replied.. perhaps we never get through their anti-spam filters? Some of my other letters (non-buisiness) never got to their recipients as well..

Yeah, that is pretty embarrassing with the templates.. Anyway, I am travelling to Ukraine on Sunday, and will hopefully get some station shots.. will upload them if I get them. —dima/talk/ 03:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I will take care of all maps after I get out from school (less than two weeks). I'm planning on drawing my own SVG map, except it will have no background (transparent) instead of street names. — Alex 03:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

And I have a feeling that I will have a conflict with Kuban kazak about Russian being included in the article, and if he keeps adding Russian, I will keep removing it. I really have a strong point of view on this, and if he starts an edit war, the result will be one of us getting blocked. Ukraine is Ukraine, people should understand that! Ukraine is not Russia! Same arguments as before: this line is brand new, built during Ukraine's independence. — Alex 03:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

And yes, the language I use more (besides English) is Russian, not Ukrainian. — Alex 03:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for volunteering to do the map! I tried a couple of times, although am not too good at it.. Hopefully, the issue with the Russian name grow into an edit war.. How about we all try and get Kiev Metro to Good status and not waste time on name issues.. The article is good, but with some inline citations it will be much better.. —dima/talk/ 04:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we need to start a Misplaced Pages policy on Ukrainian naming that everybody can vote on. I'll start on that in a couple of weeks (school). As for your images, feel free to ask me for help any time, I can fix the images you're having issues with. — Alex 04:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

That's a pretty good idea, but it will take some time to do, and a lot of discussion over naming policy.. —dima/talk/ 17:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I fixed all of the SVG files you had in that category, they are as close to the original as I could make them, which means they might still contain typos and might have some inconsistency in typefaces. Other than that, they are fixed. — Alex 06:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

As for station shots, get me a list of the ones you haven't taken. I'm travelling to Ukraine this summer and I'll take a few photos myself. — Alex 06:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, mabye we'll meet up there :) —dima/talk/ 17:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably not, I'm going in late July. — Alex 06:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe... I'll let you know when I'm going. — Alex 01:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, sure. —dima/talk/ 04:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the Podilsko-Voskresenska Line conflict escalated. Kuban kazak reported me to the admins, trying to get me blocked. — Alex 04:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Please join

Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-10 Podilsko-Voskresenska Line. --Kuban Cossack 17:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry that I didn't respond earlier, I am very busy around here.. I've been trying to take some photos of the metro, but there are too many people to take some empty shots, perhaps I'll try to take them at night? I will be uploading the photos (internet connection permitting) to the Commons. —dima/talk/ 05:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wait for a sunday...--Kuban Cossack 12:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:POINT

Sorry to bother you, but since you edited the article Russians in Ukraine, I was wondering if you have an opinion on the serious violation of the WP:POINT there. I'd like to hear your opinion about it before I file it on the ANB. Thanks in advance. --Hillock65 18:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Донецький метрополітен

In ukrainian wiki some people wants to delete this. maybe will you correct this article ? --Miwanya 12:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me of this... I responded at the Вікіпедія:Статті-кандидати на вилучення page. —dima/talk/ 14:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Every infobox is objectionable and is better avoided. The former country infobox is one of the silliest of them all. The infobox used in Kievan Rus was a vehicle for petty nationalism: it featured a huge emblem of modern Kyiv (first adopted in the 18th century) and listed Ukrainian hryvnia as the currency of Rus' (the epithet "Kievan" was devised by Russian historians in the 19th century). In short, it is a pile of rude anachronisms. This facile approach to history brings Misplaced Pages into disrepute. --Ghirla 09:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

If an article is sourced it should be okay to use infoboxes. If the article is called "Kievan Rus" then what's wrong with including it in the infobox? In addition to that, the coat of arms is easy to remove, it shouldn't be a problem. Please don't imply this is all DDima's fault and assume good faith. — Alex 06:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)