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1. From Apr 1 2004 to Aug 21 2006
2. From Aug 21 2006 to Oct 31 2006
3. From Oct 31 2006 to Feb 28 2007
4. From Feb 28 2007 to May 30 2007

Image

Thanks for the imput. I'll do the PD-reason. In regard to the images, that isn't a problem since they are already in Wiki as Free-use, I'll just site them. Tony the Marine 20:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Cogny Castries Navarre.jpg

As so ordered by DRV, Image:Cogny Castries Navarre.jpg is again nominated for deletion. Please see the debate at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion/2007 June 4#Image:Cogny Castries Navarre.jpg. Regards, howcheng {chat} 21:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Image talk:QueenSky.jpg

You say this is still open but nothing has happening for 2 -3 weeks, the discussion has remained open but unresolved since then and there is no consensus to delete - this picture should stay and the tag be removed Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! 16:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure if you are back from your break yet, but when you do get back I would appreciate your help again. I am taking another shot at uploading a picture for the Motorola CTO Padmasree Warrior and have posted a discussion on the image page as to why I think it can now be used because it is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. Please see the page . I am also consulting with user Mecu on this subject, and have alerted him to this new discussion as well. I would like to get to some kind of consensus on this possibility with the two of you. Here is the external link to the image where you can see the license at the bottom of the page. I would like to upload the first image. . Any and all feedback you could give me would be great. Thanks again.Mediathink 02:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use review

Greetings. There is a debate at Misplaced Pages:Fair use review#12 June 2007 about an image of Peter Nordin. Your input there would be appreciated. All the best, – Quadell 12:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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I bet you must be thrilled. Congratulations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.253.37.206 (talk • contribs)

User User:PageantUpdater once claimed this to be her IP address. Is it you again? --Abu badali 16:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

The wrong user was pushed out of the project. --Rob 02:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Her account isn't blocked. We all choose to contribute or choose to leave of our own volition. – Quadell 21:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

She's already back. They always come back. --Abu badali 22:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Rationale

I'm troubled by your comment at Misplaced Pages talk:Non-free content#Rationale:

This would be a great abuse of Template:dfu or the WP:IFD process. If the image's rationale is unsound, but the image does qualify as fair use, please improve the rationale, don't delete the image. —Remember the dot 21:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure. That's what I did with Image:Life9enero.jpg, for instance. What I intended (and apparently failed) to state with this statement was that, from the bulk of unfree images that shouldn't be being used on Misplaced Pages, most of the current efforts are on those which have no rationale at all. And this effort concentration allows the proliferation of unsound rationales.

In a optimistic scenario, the unusable unfree images without a rationale will be wiped out, and the next step will be to address the images with unsound rationales. But you're right that "delete" is not the only possible solution for an image with a bad rationale. Fixing the rationale is always the first choice.

But just as there isn't a "correct tag" for every image found on the Internet (as some newcomers tend to believe), there isn't a "good rationale" for every non-free image uploaded to Wikimedia servers. Some of the simply can't be used, no mater what one writes as the rationale.

I hope this clarifies my position, and I hope this makes you fell less troubled. And thanks for contacting me for expressing your concerns related to something I did/said. This is such a correct (and simple!) act, but many fail to follow this path.

Best regards, --Abu badali 22:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm glad you clarified that. I hope that you are not taking the Betacommand route and demanding that other editors write the fair use rationales, thus causing many valid fair use images to be deleted unnecessarily. —Remember the dot 22:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion#Image:Lingleinauguration2002.jpg

I uploaded 2 free pictures of Linda Lingle and orphaned this image from 3 articles it was in. However, in the 4th, Qur'an_oath_controversy_of_the_110th_United_States_Congress#Prager_dismisses_Tanakh_Oaths, I discovered the picture did meet the fair use requirements as it is not just used to identify the person in the picture but as part of the social commentary surrounding swearings-in that aren't on a Bible. If you would, I believe you should withdraw the IfD nomination at this time. -N 04:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Normal_season86.jpg

Just so you know, the uploader of the above image, which you nominated for deletion, went and deleted it from the IfD page. I have re-added it. Just wanted to let you know.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 18:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Same thing done with Image:07011604.jpg.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 18:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

A complex copyright situation

Hello Abu badali. I ran into this page today: Robbie Williams. It has a ton of non-free images in it (and a few free ones). It seems to me that a few could be justified, but I'm not sure -- I'm quite sure that the current article is in violation of NFCC#3. But I don't know anything about the subject, so it's difficult to tell which ones are important enough to pass criterion #8 (if any). And what's the best way to handle the situation? IFD? I run into this situation a lot, where I know there are too many non-free images to be justifiable, but I'm not sure that any one (taken individually) fails criteria #1, #3, or #8. I've been listing the whole page on IFD with a description of the problem (as in the Continuum (album) listing), but it doesn't feel like quite the right place for it. What's your take on the best way to handle these situations? – Quadell 21:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Worst rfu defense ever

Image talk:Guzmán.jpg :-) – Quadell 02:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Images on articles helmed by WP:H!P

This is really getting annoying, but I have to butt in and put a kibosh or at least a serious slowdown on what you're doing somehow.

Your actions are damaging the integrity of articles that Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Hello! Project have been supervising/editing/writing/trying to improve. I am very dismayed that you are just flat out removing images without making an effort to help actually improve the articles. This is not the first time we had to dispute your "endeavors", especially in the case of the photo in question. This is one of the reasons why, yes, I detaggified your handiwork.

At WP:H!P we fully endeavor to fully attribute and rationalize the images we use for the articles we monitor, edit, and create, and whenever we can we try to make them low resolution enough so that they don't look like shit and thus do justice to both the article and to Misplaced Pages protocol. Hello! Project artists are unfortunately the most unaccessible to the public as far as obtaining "free" images of the personalities involved. There have been no successful efforts to obtain so-called "free" images.

WP:H!P is run and maintained by non-Japanese fans in the United States and other places in the Western world. Hello! Project and their agency, Up-Front Works, have not made any inroads (yet) to bringing their artists to the US to perform, with the sole exception of Hawaii (as far as I know, none of the American residents who are part of WP:H!P where Up-Front Works often flies members of H!P's Japanese fan club to perform in private concerts there, and the same restrictions on cameras coming into the shows in Japan are used at these shows too.

I am not going to tolerate this any further, especially since you acting in bad faith by removing images without contacting some of the contributors who uploaded them (it seems like you've missed a few - bad boy!) and/or locating or offering solid proof that so-called "free" images for the articles in question exist. I have had a look at your user contribution history. I have had a look at your user contribution history and excuse the way I put this, but from my point of view, all it seems like you are contributing is loosely sanctioned vandalism. In other words, you mght have good intentions, but unfortunately they aren't that good at all. It clearly states in all photographs that we have uploaded (or had to defend) in recent instances that no free alternatives are available to us (or anyone else). If you can prove that so-called "free" images exist for the artists in question, do a little Googling for yourself and try to prove it! Believe me, we've looked ourselves and come up with nothing.

if the problem is with the size of the pictures and/or the presence of Up-Front Works' copyright on the photos - photos that Up-Front Works gives away to fans. for Christ's sake - then that could be easily solved by asking the uploader or one of the folks at WP:H!P to take a couple of minutes with Photoshop and rectify the problem without bringing in the copyright nazis and the Misplaced Pages firing squad - or to put it mildly, ASK US NICELY WITHOUT GOING TAG CRAZY. All of us in WP:H!P are devoted fans but we are also human beings with the usual responsibilities.

Again, we at WP:H!P do our damndest to bend over backwards to meet Misplaced Pages standards for pictures, especially with attribution and rationalization. I feel that in part, we who do bend over backwards to stay within boundaries are being punished along with those that don't know what the hell they're doing.

Please try to pull back the reins on removing so-called "non-free" images from articles maintained by WP:H!P - all you are doing is making our efforts harder than they already are and making what is essentially a hobby for us less and less enjoyable, which would then have an even bigger negative impact on Misplaced Pages as a whole. --CJ Marsicano 03:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I call it (and you) as I see it. You have acted in bad faith by recklessly tagging properly attributed and rationalized images. I challenge you to prove that the images under WP:H!P are replaceable. Do something constructive rather than destructive for once so that you don't end up labeled as a "copyright nazi".

I reiterate from my previous communication to you that public camera access to H!P personalities is pretty much impossible.

Unless Misplaced Pages had been contacted by someone from Up-Front Works or any other related entity regarding the use of the giveaway promotional photos, and since there are no "free" images available to use for the personalites WP:H!P covers (I've just been through Google and Flickr - of which I am a paying member of the latter - and have not found any replacements, suitable or otherwise - just digital copies of the same promo photos and photobooks that are being scanned, posted, and traded by fans as you can see in two of the cases I have seen here and here) then there is honestly no reason to be mercilessly destroying our fine work.

We at WP:H!P desire have well-representative pictures of the personalities we cover on their respective articles. If you have any truly constructive suggestions as to how to handle this manner (just blowing me off with "oh, there's Wikipedians, photo-cameras, blah blah blah in Japan" means nothing when those people can't get the photo-cameras into the concerts doesn't count), I'd love to hear them. I asked if reducing the resolution, resizing the photo, or doing other necessary editing of the existing photos would help resolve the matter. You gave no answer there. That's definitely a bad-faith move in and of itself. --CJ Marsicano 21:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Abusing your position?

I am watching your list and you are tagging pictures without even warning the people who uploaded them. This is seriously against policies. You are doing this intentionally to catch people off guard. And it's not just me complaining.

I have had conversations long time ago with other editors who suggested that album covers and images are preferred since they are legit sources to identify artists. So I understand wikipedia want to use FREE images lately. And you are on this spree of random deletion.

Recently you decided to remove image AlanTam.jpg from the article. This is obviously a promotional poster, hence it is FREE. Why don't you explain what type of images will not get deleted for mainstream movies and artists and albums? As I have read all the wikipedia policies, do you really expect us to take pictures of bigtime celebrities in our backyard? And I hope you reply to me with some good examples instead of shoving another NFCC link my direction. Benjwong 04:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Buffer your notices

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Hayford_Peirce

You've spammed this page with about 25 identical notices over the course of a minute (16:42, 7 March 200). I assume that you used a bot. Creating a terse message and then listing all the images along with their respective expiration dates would have been a much better idea. You don't even have to buffer the messages - just detect whether the talk page already has one of your messages, and add new enties to the list, prepended by "some other images: ... ~~~~" if 3 minutes have passed. See also User_talk:BetacommandBot#Use_less_text. –M 06:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:PD-Old regime Iraq

Template:PD-Old regime Iraq has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 15:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you take a look at these?

Hi, Quadell. Would you take a look at the use of unfree images on Music of Hong Kong and Cinema of Hong Kong? The concern is about how those specific images help on the article's comprehension in a way that words alone can not (item#8).

I don't believe these to be difficult cases, but as one editor took my actions personally, it may be easier for someone else to try to communicate with him.

Thanks in advance! --Abu badali 19:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)