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Vandalism on the talk page

Responded on my talkpage.--Isotope23 13:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Copied text from Isotope23's talk page:

Vandalism on the talk page

Hi, Isotope23.
There's a problem with user:Giovanni Giove.
On the talk page of the article Republic of Dubrovnik, he removed the warning text about his behaviour on article page.
The warning is made in order to make him change his behaviour.
His behaviour is listed in the section "Shtokavian" .
In that very sections is a list of his POV's (he gave no background for his "original work"; I've covered my contributions with references - that makes his contribution a POV), which prooved his ignoring of the data and links to academical institutions given on the talk page (in the sections above).
The warning about his behaviour (on the talk page) should stay (multiple reverts).
He should have a reminder that he's working against the rules.
Maybe the matter of the article isn't your "territory", but the admin's reaction is needed on the talk page. Because... he's now removing the evidence of his behaviour. Kubura 12:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

My opinion is that we are beyond any possible limit. Kubura has became a serious problem. He just spread his own ideas, doing vandalism on well supported articles. His target is to support his nationalistic ideas without proper refernceahould. He accuse me to "hate" Croatia and oter... There is a difference between him and me. I my edits are supported, Kubura's edit no. He open agin and again, dispuutes already discussed and closed. A small example.... to change "Repulic of Ragusa" into "Republic of Dubrovnik". The above comments are (of course) false. Kubura is well known to several admins, like a fanatic. I've no probelm if my edits will be put under control: I've nothing to hide. I sholuld not tell the same aout Kubura. I want to pint out that Kubura was NEVER able to show that my edits are wrong, all he can do is to accuse that "I want to hide the word'Croatia'". But he can't support this claim. Best regards--Giovanni Giove 13:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• Have you considered trying some form of dispute resolution? Maybe mediation or a 3rd opinion? The text on the talkpage regarding Giovanni Giove (talk · contribs) doesn't really belong on an article talkpage, it belongs in a user request for comment or Admin noticeboard report.--Isotope23 13:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It'll obviously go to that, I'm afraid. But, RfC, DR, RFM, 3O needs preparation.
In the meantime, Giovanni Giove has again removed the warning, as well as remarks about his behaviour on the article .
The comment was "That not the place for the personal attacks of a vandal.". Has he mentioned you his block log?
Those remarks were important, because they were, in fact, a material for RfC, DR, RfM, 3O. Kubura 06:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

If it is material for a future RFC/ANI report etc it would be better to post it at User:Kubura/temp than at the article talkpage.--Isotope23 13:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Giovanni Giove AGAIN removed the section we've talked about. See the difference between revisions . That's fourth or fifth time he removed the content.
I've restored the deleted section.
If you order me to move it to my temp subpage, OK, I'll do it.
Still, I'm not requesting RfC or similar. More preparation is needed. That's why I'd keep that section. I have to point out the matters where users disagree in the article. That's why we have talk page, to avoid "fights" and editwars on the article.
And, that's why I've turned to contribute more on talk page and less on the article. But, that seems invain. I'm "barking on the moon" (it seems that nobody reads the text and references on the talk page, while G.Giove calmly pushes his fixations on the article, neglecting the critics and arguments given on the talk page, and getting more impudent with his contributions (language questions, italianized nameforms where no such is in use in science...).
On the other hand, Giovanni Giove (previously) made a section "Vandalism of Kubura". But, I haven't moved it, neither I intend to do so. Let it remain as a proof. For others to see how Giovanni Giove proofs his claims, and whome he names as vandal. I'm not childishly deleting the criticism pointed against me.
On the other hand, it's easy for G.Giove to name someone as vandal (with no proofs and references why).
But, when someone criticizes him (with references that show where he did something wrong; explanations and counterargumets are on the talk page), then he childishly removes the section.
Why can't he live with the critics on his behaviour?
After deletion of content he dislikes in the article, now he turned to delete the content of the talk page.
Shall we allow him to deny the purpose of the talk page: talk, discussion, arguments...? Kubura 19:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to order you to do anything, but as I said, that whole section belongs in an RFC... article talkpages are not the place to air grievances against other editors.--Isotope23 19:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, agreed. Kubura 20:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

History of Serbia

Imam jedan maleni revert ratić koji će pretpostavljam i tebe zanimati ! Na tekstu History of Serbia ratujem s tipom koji postavlja sljedeći tekst o devedesetim godinama XX stoljeća:

"Despite the civil wars in neighboring Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia remained peaceful until 1998, although part of its leadership and institutions supported Bosnian and Croatian Serbs who were one of the sides in these wars by arming and directing their troops."

Ja na mjesto njega stavljam ovo:

"During break-up of Yugoslavia the position of the Serbian government was that any region of the other republics in which Serbs were a majority had to be be annexed to Serbia (or new Yugoslavia). On the other hand, in regions region of Serbia where another nation was in the majority, those regions had to stay inside Serbia on the grounds that they were part of Serbia's historical territory. This Serbia position has created 7 war years.

During Croatian War of Independence Serb forces which has wanted to create border on line Virovitica - Karlobag has been first stoped and then defeated in 1995. War in Bosnia and Herzegovina has finished much better for Serbia because Serb soldiers which has recieved wages and other help from home country has taken half of state. During this conquest Serb forces has make genocide and other similar crimes for which Republika Srpska (name of territory taken by Serbs during war) has been declared guilty. Serbia on other side has been declared guilty on International Court of Justice for not stoping this crimes . Serbia home territory has been peacefull in time of this wars although population has been living in poorer and poorer situation because of sanctions and need of Serbia to finance soldiers in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina."

Ukratko želim usera Panonian potjerati u 3 reverta rule, a to ne mogu sam, pretpostavljam da ćeš se složiti kako je moj tekst istinitiji od njegovog i da tekst na wikipediji treba pisati o odgovornosti Srbije za ratove. Rjecina 22:55, 2 June 2007 (CET)

Hi, Rjecina.
I know for that.
I'll tell you more later. Još ću ti tega reć posli.
Be aware that some people here don't have social life, and we don't have to ruin our social lives because of some obsessive persons who want to live in their fake worlds. Their whole life is a lie.
As you've seen, some of them work together. By getting into war with them, you're giving the sense to their senseless and empty lives.
Don't waste your life on the waste. We have lives, they have fixations. Educated medical personnel 'll deal with them, very soon. Kubura 01:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Želim ti reći, ako tribaš bilo kakvu pomoć, samo javi. onaj talijan uvik pisa gluposti protiv Hrvatske--vrlo patetično. pozdrav.--Jesuislafete 05:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Kako moreš bit protiv Eu-a?

Nisi valjda vlaj pa da ti je falši osjećaj "nezavisnosti" (jer hrvatska je već sada IZNIMNO zavisna o EU-u) važniji od ekonomskog napretka! Ni jednoj državnoj ekonomiji u svijetu nije škodia EU!, cili svit (npr. Turska ;)) se tuče za uć, jedino naši vlaji i hercegovci nešto pizde! Ne razumin takve ljude... DIREKTOR — Preceding unsigned comment added by DIREKTOR (talk • contribs) 22:55, 10 June 2007

Čoviče, to šta si ti sad gori napisa je govor mržnje!
Mržnja prima ljudima iz Zagore i Hercegovine.
Pusti ti te priče "cili svit se tuče" za bit tamo. To se samo koljedu velike glavnice za širit tržišće.
Drugo, rabiš ružne riči, a s time ne možeš po wikici.
Dalje, Wikipedija nije mjesto propagande niti širenja/nametanja svojih političkih stavova inim suradnicima.
Meni nešto govoriš zbog toga šta san protiv ulazka Hrvatske u EU i o meni kao "usamljenom slučaju"? Kao, "samo vlaji i hercegovci" su takvi?
Čoviče, ja mogu reć na TV taj svoj stav i mogu prošetat bilo kojim hrvatskim gradom i selom i bilo kojoj osobi to reć izravno, bez da će ta osoba ikad više prikinit odnose sa mnom ili da mi štagod opsuje.
A ti objavi na TV svoje stavove o "obnovi Jugoslavije", "obnovi hrvatsko-srpskog" (di ti živiš, koji su ga ljudi ikad tako zvali, osin onih jugounitarističkih antihrvatskih komunista koji su izmislili takvo ime) i da su pristaša "dobre, stare Jugoslavije" i da ti si se izjasnia da ti je materinji jezik t.zv. "srpskohrvatski" i posli se prošeći igdi po Hrvatskoj ili itkojoj osobi u Hrvatskoj to reci izravno (a posebice probaj to u Splitu!). A da ti ne govorin o . "Jugoslavenski građanski ratovi"/Yugoslav Civil Wars?? Or your "stories" about incomprehensible dialects of Croatian language ? How do you think that, through history, unliterrate Croat people have understood each other on the fish, fruit and vegetable market? E.g. in Split, Omiš, Trogir, Klis, Dubrovnik, Delnice, Gospić, Bjelovar? These were all places where the speakers of various Croat dialects met, and they never had problems in communication.
Vratit ću se na EU. Stoga ti neću ti pričat i objašnjavat nepovoljne i ponižavajuće gospodarstvene ugovore sklopljenih između Hrvatske i EU i koliko je RH "skinila hlače" i "nag*zila se" te poslušništvo koje se pokaziva od strane određenih krugova prema toj gospodarskom udruženju. Čoviče, poslovanje sa velikim i moćnim imenom je jedno, ali loš ugovor je loš ugovor, loš posal je loš posal. Ne možemo mi, mala i siromašna zemlja izdržavati bogatune. Da oni na račun nas širidu svoje prinabrekle proizvodnje i industrije, a mi gasimo ono malo svojega šta je nekako životarilo, da bidu oni mogli živit. Ne hvala!
Znan ja dobro koje MOGU biti koristi od tih udruženja, i KADA se TEK može imati koristi od njih (to ne ide nikako automatski!!!). U protivnom, ta udruženja proizvode još veće probleme i još više pojačavaju društvene i gospodarske suprotnosti! Neće ti nitko vanjski omogućit napridak, moramo se mi sami sredit iznutra, i radit za sebe, a ne za drugega, koji ne zna šta će sa svojin silnin imutkom, dok se mi kao pasi lutalice mislimo svaki dan šta ćemo za ist... Zato šta se za udovoljit gramzivcima iz inozemstva ubilo ono zdravog domaćega da bi se moglo reć kako smo se mi otvorili svijetu (a oni su nami eto dopustili izvest dvi vriće sirovina (u pola cine), koje oni posli 50 puta skuplje priprodadu), da ne govorin o odricanjima o suverenitetu u gospodarskom pojasu ili o napadima na hrv. akcije "Kupujmo hrvatsko!" (kao eko.nacionalizam, a ti isti kritičari to isto činidu za svoju zemlju, onda za to nima veze).
Što se tiče hrvatskog jezika, evo, ovako ti malo na znanje, iz proglasa na letku Narodnooslobodilačkog odbora Splita iz sredine travnja 1942.:
"Rodoljubi! Hrvatski Split je 15. IV opet ispoljio svoju mržnju prema fašističkim okupatorima. Fašisti opet spremaju 21. IV paradu sa pojačanim terorom. Neka ih opet dočekaju prazne ulice... Ne vješajte zastave. Đaci! Nemojte ići taj dan u školu. Radnici, namještenici! Ma koliko vas silili da idete u njihove povorke, ne prisustvujte, kao ni njihovim zborovima po radionama... Govorimo i pišimo samo hrvatski. Ne saobraćajte sa fašističkim vlastima." (Izvor: "Kronologija Splita 1941.-1945.", IHRPD, Split, 1979.).
Još jedan razlog mom protivljenju ulasku u EU. Ja ne želim da moja jedina (niman druge) domovina pristupi takvoj organizaciji/asocijaciji, štaviše dati suverenitet svoje domovine organizaciji koja NIJE osudila niti kaznila talijanske imperijalističke i ekspanzionističke izjave okrenute protiv Hrvatske i Hrvata, i to izjave dane od osoba koje su u samom talijanskom državnom vrhu. Ja se takvoj organizaciji ne dajem u ruke. Da ti ne govorim da dužnosnici iz takve organizacije šalju poruke okrenute protiv hrvatskog jezika, odnosno njegovu zatiranju i nasilnom uklapanju u nekakvi frankeštajn-jezik. Kubura 02:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

To sto se Hrvatska nag*zila je krivica naših vrlih političara, a ne EU. Složit ćeš se da je normalno da talijanski i drugi političari g*ze Hrvatsku kada im ona to dopušta. Kakvo je tvoje mišljenje o NATO (pretpostavljam da moje znaš). Sad bi te već mogao pitat u kojoj si firmi dežuran pošto nam se smjene trenutačno poklapaju :))— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjecina (talk • contribs) 03:22, 13 June 2007

Giacomo Micaglia

If this is going to be an uncontentious move, just request an unprotection at WP:RFP. If this is likely to be controversial, I'd suggest starting a rename discussion on the page and if there is consensus, request the unprotection at WP:RFP with a link to the consensus discussion.--Isotope23 19:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Zadar

Imam problema s onim iredentistom Đovom, pokušao sam editirati objektivne podatke za Zadar a on briše moje izvore i edite i još mi je priljepio da sam sock puppet od neke banirane Afrike Paprike... pošto nisam pretpostavljam da neću imati problema, ali bi ipak volio znati kako skinuti etiketu, nisam još skužio sve cake. Zenanarh 12:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Galician

Thanks for letting me know you have no idea about lingustic issues, if you read the article about Galician-Portuguese, you can see that that language was divided in two (Portuguese and Galician) from the middle age on. And it is not the same situation, because there are no places where you can find that a current document is writen in Galician-Portuguese or that there are films in that language, for instance. Anyway, you can find categories in Spanish wikipedia like Writen in Galician-Portuguese which are inside of categories like Writers in Galician and Writers in Portuguese. But no one consideres Galician or Portuguese as an insult in Portugal or Galicia, it's like if I feel upset when some one call me latin or something like that. But well, as you made me know too, you do not care about encyclopaedic information, but political things. If you want those categories to be recategorised, you can put that request in places like that and and of course you have to categorise the films which are in only in Serbo-Croatian language, because that's the reason why that category exists. Gaudio 19:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

this user is a vandal! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.42.187.252 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 26 June 2007